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RobinOfLoxley
22-09-2016
6 months ago, or was it a year (or nearly 2 years? with Insider) my SD card stopped working.

I thought it was me. Mildly inconvenient and a sign of age.

I happened to read the latest W10 Cumulative bug fixes and SD card was mentioned.

Bingo! It works again. But why has it taken so long?

And all the other complaints? Which! may be doing a name and shame Daily mail style but MS needs to be challenged.
WhatJoeThinks
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“6 months ago, or was it a year (or nearly 2 years? with Insider) my SD card stopped working.

I thought it was me. Mildly inconvenient and a sign of age.

I happened to read the latest W10 Cumulative bug fixes and SD card was mentioned.

Bingo! It works again. But why has it taken so long?

And all the other complaints? Which! may be doing a name and shame Daily mail style but MS needs to be challenged.”

You tell us, Robin. Did you not Google for a solution in all that time? Or was the inconvenience so mild that you just tossed the SD card in a drawer and forgot about it for two years (or however long it's been)?
RobinOfLoxley
22-09-2016
No I didn't Google. It annoyed me but I thought it was me.
emptybox
23-09-2016
The Anniversary Upgrade (1607) seems to have caused a problem with my Linx 1010 tablet and apps installed to the SD card.

Previously I had it set to install new apps to the SD card, and that was working fine. But after the Upgrade those apps on the SD card have stopped working. Even uninstalling and reinstalling them doesn't work.

The error given is 0x80071ac3 which suggests bad sectors on the SD card, but I have all my music, pictures and videos on there and they can be accessed fine. And as I said, all was working fine before the Upgrade.

The card is formatted as exFat which I think can give problems for Windows 10 (although worked fine before), so ultimately I might reformat it as NTFS, but that would mean putting all my media back on it.
I tried chkdsk but it didn't find any problems.

As a temporary solution I have set it back to installing apps to the internal drive, and have uninstalled important apps and then reinstalled them successfully.
But the whole point was to save space on the main drive, which is only 32GB.

It also seems to be using the battery quicker since the upgrade.


Just to balance that, I upgraded four desktop PCs to 1607 without issue.
RobinOfLoxley
23-09-2016
I think I might have done DISKPART clean all, in the end

Minitool Partitition Wizard or Windows Disk Management was showing Bad Disk

But it was only after the Cumulative Update that the SD card was even detected (after insertion) for me to do anything
skp20040
23-09-2016
Jut had the latest updates on Windows 10 and a few odd things, my wireless is a bit erratic and coming on and off and also now when I open IE 11 on some pages there is a message at the top saying

Some parts of this page may not look right. To see them, upgrade to the new Firefox.Close

Rather weird to have a message advertising Firefox on IE ? and can no longer see comments on for example Yahoo news stories on IE but can if I use Firefox

Are Microsoft trying to push us to use Edge or another browser ? I donlt use Edge as it is not compatible with add ons especially security ones.

And the new Start Menu is horrible
Stig
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“Some parts of this page may not look right. To see them, upgrade to the new Firefox.Close”

That message will come from the website, not the browser. unless you have some weird plugin...
Faust
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by emptybox:
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Just to balance that, I upgraded four desktop PCs to 1607 without issue.”

Just for equal balance I have upgraded to W10 on three machines now, one a VM one an old W7 Laptop. I'm still waiting for these "pesky W10 bugs" twelve months on. I updated the same machines to W8 W8.1 - again all without issue.

Now either I'm very clever (which I'm not), very lucky (definitely not) or I just know my way around a computer (well I do up to a point) or a lot of people haven't the first clue what they are doing with their computers and need to start with the basics.

I would say a very near relative of mine (don't want to put it any different to that in case they happen to read this) is your average computer user. Always getting viruses, malware, email addresses highjacked, upgrade disaster etc. They recently had to take their PC into a computer repair shop as it had ground to an almost stop. The relative had put three AVs on the one machine, still had viruses and that much malware the repair shop simply wiped the disk and started again.

The owner of the repair shop tried to show/ teach the relative some of the basic do's and don'ts. I believe that after around 15 mins had the shop owner not been follicley challenged he would have been bald from tearing his hair out in frustration.
Faust
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
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And the new Start Menu is horrible”

You do realise you can personalise the start menu now?

If you aren't minded to use Edge then I would go for Chrome or FF. IE is old tech and not very good.
RobinOfLoxley
23-09-2016
My daughters and my sister don't listen to me because they get a panic attack when it comes to backup and problems.

Can't do Maths, crap with computers

I try to go gentle but it doesn't work
max99
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Now either I'm very clever (which I'm not), very lucky (definitely not) or I just know my way around a computer (well I do up to a point) or a lot of people haven't the first clue what they are doing with their computers and need to start with the basics.”

Is that really a surprise to you? A lot of people who hang around on computer forums seem oblivious to the fact that the average person does not share their interest/passion/obsession with technology - and therefore have developed practically zero skills. That's just the way it is.
RobinOfLoxley
23-09-2016
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skp20040
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“You do realise you can personalise the start menu now?

If you aren't minded to use Edge then I would go for Chrome or FF. IE is old tech and not very good.”

No I didn't realise, can you tell me how I go about that, I am usually quite good with computers but with Windows 10 a bit unsure and would rather ask someone who knows , or if there is a good web page you would recommend which tells you how.
WhatJoeThinks
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“No I didn't realise, can you tell me how I go about that, I am usually quite good with computers but with Windows 10 a bit unsure and would rather ask someone who knows , or if there is a good web page you would recommend which tells you how.”

Here you go, pal.
TelevisionUser
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“Jut had the latest updates on Windows 10 and a few odd things, my wireless is a bit erratic and coming on and off and also now when I open IE 11 on some pages there is a message at the top saying

Some parts of this page may not look right. To see them, upgrade to the new Firefox.Close

Rather weird to have a message advertising Firefox on IE ? and can no longer see comments on for example Yahoo news stories on IE but can if I use Firefox

Are Microsoft trying to push us to use Edge or another browser ? I donlt use Edge as it is not compatible with add ons especially security ones.

And the new Start Menu is horrible”

That last bit can be solved with the addition of one of the third party start menus such as this cheap as chips one here https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/ and it basically converts the Win 10 start menu to a Win 7-like start menu.
misar
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“That last bit can be solved with the addition of one of the third party start menus such as this cheap as chips one here https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/ and it basically converts the Win 10 start menu to a Win 7-like start menu.”

The best and cheapest (its totally free) for that purpose is Classic Shell (http://www.classicshell.net/). It does a lot more as well.
call100
23-09-2016
For goodness sake........There is nothing wrong with the start menu in W10....You don't have to have any tiles showing if that's freaking you out.....
Advocating Classic Shell every time someone doesn't understand how to use the Start menu is hardly helpful advice and doesn't really advance the users knowledge of W10.
I suspect a lot of users of CS have used it since W8 and therefore don't have any knowledge of the menu in W10.....
skp20040
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“Here you go, pal. ”

You know sometimes if you are not sure of something it is better to ask for advice rather than trust any web page you come up with on a Google Search which is why I asked someone who seemed to know for advice, it wasn't laziness !
misar
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by call100:
“I suspect a lot of users of CS have used it since W8 and therefore don't have any knowledge of the menu in W10.....”

I suspect that a lot of advocates of the W10 menu have never used CS and don't have any knowledge of how useful it is.
JeffG1
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“You know sometimes if you are not sure of something it is better to ask for advice rather than trust any web page you come up with on a Google Search which is why I asked someone who seemed to know for advice, it wasn't laziness !”

Don't you just despise people who patronise you like that? (I've had it happen to me too, in the past.)
Mr Dos
24-09-2016
Re: Classic Shell - maybe all you fans of W10 start menu can explain this - why are there dozens of items in the menu I don't have and will never use eg Candy Crush, XBox, Get Office, Microsoft WiFi, One Note, Phone companion etc ? Am I really expected to go through the list and delete them all one by one until I can find the stuff I have installed. As sure as night follows day, Get Office and co will reappear at the next update (until I buy it).

With Classic Shell - one click and all I see is my software and no cr*p. All I need is an OS that is a platform to run stuff on. MS seem to think I should be playing with their OS as if it's the main focus of attention. An OS should be invisible in use, and just operate the hardware ie an Operation System.

Candy f***ing Crush . . .
zz9
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by misar:
“I suspect that a lot of advocates of the W10 menu have never used CS and don't have any knowledge of how useful it is. ”

I had Classic Shell on Windows 8 and recommended it in every W8 thread where it came up. W8 forcing a touch/tablet UI on everyone including desktop PC users was a terrible mistake and IMHO almost killed what was a very good OS.
But with Windows 10 I have never even thought of installing Classic Shell. Not once.
It has the start button, the start menu which you can customise. You can right click (long press on a tablet) the Start button to get the settings menu. You can lock your most used programs to the task bar. You can put shortcuts on the desktop. Or you can type a few letters into Cortana and she'll find a program. Or you can actually speak and ask Cortana to open a program.
zz9
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mr Dos:
“Re: Classic Shell - maybe all you fans of W10 start menu can explain this - why are there dozens of items in the menu I don't have and will never use eg Candy Crush, XBox, Get Office, Microsoft WiFi, One Note, Phone companion etc ? Am I really expected to go through the list and delete them all one by one until I can find the stuff I have installed. As sure as night follows day, Get Office and co will reappear at the next update (until I buy it).

With Classic Shell - one click and all I see is my software and no cr*p. All I need is an OS that is a platform to run stuff on. MS seem to think I should be playing with their OS as if it's the main focus of attention. An OS should be invisible in use, and just operate the hardware ie an Operation System.

Candy f***ing Crush . . .”

I don't have any of that. If you open Settings, Personalisation, Start, there is a tick box for "Occasionally show suggestions in Start". Untick that.

Far better than iOS where it put things like Newsstand on the desktop and wouldn't let you remove it. How many years did it take Apple to fix that?
Helmut10
24-09-2016
"W8 forcing a touch/tablet UI on everyone including desktop PC users was a terrible mistake and IMHO almost killed what was a very good OS. "

Just not true, endlessly repeated, that's just one of those misleading statements that is still continuing. In fact there are more touch friendly screens in Windows 10, a lot more. I would say the Apps side is more in your face in Windows 10 than it was in Windows 8.1

"You can right click (long press on a tablet) the Start button to get the settings menu. You can lock your most used programs to the task bar."

The right click on the Start Button menu comes from Windows 8.1
JeffG1
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Helmut10:
“I would say the Apps side is more in your face in Windows 10 than it was in Windows 8.1”

Hold it right there!

Microsoft's recent use of the word App for every program under the sun just drives me up the wall. An "app" is an expression that was coined for something that runs on a mobile phone or a tablet under Android or iOS etc. A program running on a platform like Windows or Linux is just a program, or if you like, an application.

Yes I know "app" is an abbreviation for application, but it has come to mean something quite specific. Incidentally, it's worth Googling "what is an app".
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