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#4751 |
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Re: Classic Shell - maybe all you fans of W10 start menu can explain this - why are there dozens of items in the menu I don't have and will never use eg Candy Crush, XBox, Get Office, Microsoft WiFi, One Note, Phone companion etc ? Am I really expected to go through the list and delete them all one by one until I can find the stuff I have installed. As sure as night follows day, Get Office and co will reappear at the next update (until I buy it).
With Classic Shell - one click and all I see is my software and no cr*p. All I need is an OS that is a platform to run stuff on. MS seem to think I should be playing with their OS as if it's the main focus of attention. An OS should be invisible in use, and just operate the hardware ie an Operation System. Candy f***ing Crush . . . There is none of what you mention on my menu as it's set up how I want it. However, you obviously enjoy CS, and don't have the time to set it to satisfy your needs, so, good luck, at the end of the day, it's each to their own. |
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#4752 |
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"W8 forcing a touch/tablet UI on everyone including desktop PC users was a terrible mistake and IMHO almost killed what was a very good OS. "
Just not true, endlessly repeated, that's just one of those misleading statements that is still continuing. In fact there are more touch friendly screens in Windows 10, a lot more. I would say the Apps side is more in your face in Windows 10 than it was in Windows 8.1 "You can right click (long press on a tablet) the Start button to get the settings menu. You can lock your most used programs to the task bar." The right click on the Start Button menu comes from Windows 8.1 The fact that Classic Shell could put all those features back and all the new touch features (which are great on a tablet) still worked clearly proves that there was no reason to remove them other than to try to force people to use the new UI. If that wasn't the reason then why did they remove the Start button and menu? And how you can accuse me of misleading when I'm posting my own personal experience? Windows 8 did default to the tablet UI with the full screen Start menu. 8.1, which you mentioned, went some way towards fixing those concerns. W10 went further still, hence not needing Classic Shell. |
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#4753 |
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Hold it right there!
![]() Microsoft's recent use of the word App for every program under the sun just drives me up the wall. An "app" is an expression that was coined for something that runs on a mobile phone or a tablet under Android or iOS etc. A program running on a platform like Windows or Linux is just a program, or if you like, an application. Yes I know "app" is an abbreviation for application, but it has come to mean something quite specific. Incidentally, it's worth Googling "what is an app". ![]() Word is a program. Word Mobile is an app. Chrome is a program. The Twitter app is an app. |
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#4754 |
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I suspect that a lot of advocates of the W10 menu have never used CS and don't have any knowledge of how useful it is.
![]() W95, 98 XP Vista W7 etc. etc. all belong to the past. For goodness sake it's time to move on. The new W10 start menu is actually rather good especially when personalised. |
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#4755 |
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Yes we have, in fact most of us have. However, following the launch of W8.1 apps/programs like CS became superfluous to requirements. Why use something like CS which takes you back in time. I think it actually prevents/hinders learning of something new and therefore should be avoided at all costs.
W95, 98 XP Vista W7 etc. etc. all belong to the past. For goodness sake it's time to move on. The new W10 start menu is actually rather good especially when personalised. |
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#4756 |
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My laptop (HP Pavilion g6) tried to update to Windows 10, version 1607 this morning and failed, rolling back.
I view the update history and clicking "Failed to install" and "More Info" I get taken to a Microsoft support page saying "This page doesn’t exist." What now
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#4757 |
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You know sometimes if you are not sure of something it is better to ask for advice rather than trust any web page you come up with on a Google Search which is why I asked someone who seemed to know for advice, it wasn't laziness !
I certainly wasn't accusing you of laziness. More like computer-specific technophobia. If you needed to change the clock on your microwave oven, or set your TV digibox to record something, all you need is the basic instructions. It's exactly the same with operating systems. |
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#4758 |
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My laptop (HP Pavilion g6) tried to update to Windows 10, version 1607 this morning and failed, rolling back.
I view the update history and clicking "Failed to install" and "More Info" I get taken to a Microsoft support page saying "This page doesn’t exist." What now ![]() A couple of things that have affected my upgrades at various times. (a) There needs to be sufficient space on the HDD (about 20GB). (b) If you've dual booted, the partition containing the boot loader has to be the active partition. If there's nothing obvious you could try again using the Microsoft Media Creation Tool. That often gives better results than the Windows Update method. https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 |
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#4759 |
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Had the anniversary update foisted on me earlier this afternoon. Not a huge fan of the "new" menu really.
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#4760 |
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The figging anniversary update has ruined my netbook kodi system.
I've now got bad sound, and nothing I do will get rid of it. Tried updating and rolling back the sound drivers but still the sound is bad. |
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#4761 |
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Just ignore the anniversary update. There's no point in it whatsoever.
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#4762 |
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Just ignore the anniversary update. There's no point in it whatsoever.
At some point however they are going to say you need to be on a minimum build number to remain in support. |
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#4763 |
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Just ignore the anniversary update. There's no point in it whatsoever.
Advising people to ignore important updates is a very irresponsible thing to do. Technically someone may have a case against you if something bad happened and it was proved it was as a direct result of your advice. |
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#4764 |
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Had the anniversary update foisted on me earlier this afternoon. Not a huge fan of the "new" menu really.
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#4765 |
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Advising people to ignore important updates is a very irresponsible thing to do.
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#4766 |
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As said previously you can now personalise in order to make it just like you want it. What's not to like about that?
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Well, the AU has messed up my laptop that was running super smoothly until now. Graphics are mostly affected and the laptop is now slow and sluggish. It also for some reason deactivated Windows Defender and wouldn't let me turn it back on but eventually I managed to get that working. At first I thought I had a virus.
Now I'm going to have to back-up all the latest files I had created/downloaded and then restore the laptop back to standard W10 and turn off updates. I cannot use it the way it is where the graphics keep freezing or glitching and the whole system runs slow. Well done Microsoft... arseholes! |
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#4768 |
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Why ignore it? I downloaded it to three machines, all very different hardware and it installed as expected - flawlessly.
Advising people to ignore important updates is a very irresponsible thing to do. Technically someone may have a case against you if something bad happened and it was proved it was as a direct result of your advice. |
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#4769 |
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Exactly what is in the Anniversary Update that is in any way important? My version is updating itself without any problems whatsoever. Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, all the Anniversary Update does is add a load of apps that I don't want and links to shopping sites.
They are trying to moneytorise the OS and Governments need to do something to stop this monopoly. |
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#4770 |
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The New Microsoft has turned what was once a really good OS (Win7) into a piece of advert bloated rubbish that only seems to do more harm than good.
They are trying to moneytorise the OS and Governments need to do something to stop this monopoly. I wouldn't argue the point that MS are trying to recoup the costs of providing the OS gratis. |
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Exactly what is in the Anniversary Update that is in any way important? My version is updating itself without any problems whatsoever. Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, all the Anniversary Update does is add a load of apps that I don't want and links to shopping sites.
However, advising others to do likewise is not a sensible course of action. |
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#4772 |
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I've absolutely no problem with you ignoring updates, just like I would have no problem with you leaving your house unlocked when you go out.
However, advising others to do likewise is not a sensible course of action. |
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#4773 |
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The New Microsoft has turned what was once a really good OS (Win7) into a piece of advert bloated rubbish that only seems to do more harm than good.
They are trying to moneytorise the OS and Governments need to do something to stop this monopoly. I sometimes read these posts and have to double check that I actually have W10, because it bears no resemblance to the mythological OS some seem to have got from somewhere....
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#4774 |
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Now I'm going to have to back-up all the latest files I had created/downloaded and then restore the laptop back to standard W10 and turn off updates.
I have turned off the Anniversary update in my W10 Pros but apparently that will only defer it for a while, and in the lower versions, even that isn't possible. Or does someone know better? |
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MS have said you have to remain 6 months in date or support will stop.
There are ways around turning it off permanently, or locking out drivers, none are really satisfatory. You could have a play with Shutup 10, WUMT, WUMT Wrapper. As usual, make a Full System Backup first and repeat before every update, since you never know when System Restore gets disabled. |
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