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Old 01-10-2016, 10:23
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I've had another Windows 10 update over the last two days on my three Windows PC's and I've also seen it on a friend's. This update gave two options on shutting down: update and shut down, or update and reboot.

There was no indication of how long this thing was going to take before shutting down. Could be seconds, could be hours. As it turned out, this one was only about five minutes.

But if you need to switch off a computer in a hurry for any reason, this is a total pain. There needs to be a third option: Shut down, and do the update later.
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:29
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I've had another Windows 10 update over the last two days on my three Windows PC's and I've also seen it on a friend's. This update gave two options on shutting down: update and shut down, or update and reboot.

There was no indication of how long this thing was going to take before shutting down. Could be seconds, could be hours. As it turned out, this one was only about five minutes.

But if you need to switch off a computer in a hurry for any reason, this is a total pain. There needs to be a third option: Shut down, and do the update later.
Same here, I assume it was with significant stuff as it gave the same options shut down and update or restart and update and I assume not loads of changes as the restart was pretty quick. As I have said since these recent updates my Wi-Fi adaptor has played up a bit switching on and off after initial start up but it says it has the latest driver and IE 11 is playing up.
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Old 01-10-2016, 12:08
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I've had another Windows 10 update over the last two days on my three Windows PC's and I've also seen it on a friend's. This update gave two options on shutting down: update and shut down, or update and reboot.

There was no indication of how long this thing was going to take before shutting down. Could be seconds, could be hours. As it turned out, this one was only about five minutes.

But if you need to switch off a computer in a hurry for any reason, this is a total pain. There needs to be a third option: Shut down, and do the update later.
I don't see the issue? If you needed to shut down in a hurry and it was a Laptop then just close the lid. When you reopen the update/shutdown will continue. If a Desktop then just leave it to finish, if it's set to "sleep" and whose machine isn't these days then it will go to sleep or shut itself down when the update completes.

Talk about looking for a non-issue.
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Old 01-10-2016, 12:14
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OMG I just has a popup asking me how likely I am to recommend windows 10 to a friend.
Why can't they just leave me alone?

It is almost as bad as being cold called.

Microsoft are ruining the OS.

This is what happens when the original people who created someone leave and the money managers and hangers on take over.

This is the evidence btw.

http://www.howtogeek.com/235737/how-...-for-feedback/
I've been waiting for an ad to show for the last twelve months when using Windows 10 - still waiting. I can only assume I have followed all the advice about switching options to off in the menus, plus I know what I'm doing. Whereas in your case you haven't followed the advice and don't know what you are doing.

Does this sound fair?
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Old 01-10-2016, 12:43
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I don't see the issue? If you needed to shut down in a hurry and it was a Laptop then just close the lid.
That's seriously bad advice which would probably result in a hard disc corruption and/or a messed up upgrade.
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Old 01-10-2016, 12:53
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I've been waiting for an ad to show for the last twelve months when using Windows 10 - still waiting. I can only assume I have followed all the advice about switching options to off in the menus, plus I know what I'm doing. Whereas in your case you haven't followed the advice and don't know what you are doing.

Does this sound fair?
I shouldn't have to turn things off to be left alone. I should have to opt in, not out.

That's sounds fair to me.

The OS should be an OS, not a platform to advertise things.
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Old 01-10-2016, 13:03
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I shouldn't have to turn things off to be left alone. I should have to opt in, not out.

That's sounds fair to me.

The OS should be an OS, not a platform to advertise things.
With that I would agree but sadly it is a sign of the times where they make it slightly more difficult for those who are not experts to avoid things such as ads , whilst many know where to go others do not and to my mind what they should so is with significant updates etc they should come with a readable file that tells you what has been updated etc For example with one of our programmes in the office whenever there is an update it comes with a box that you can click to see what has been updated, how it affects you / the programme and what you can do etc and where t find new things , that isn't difficult for any company to provide and would help those who as I say are not experts and do not feel comfortable searching the web after every update and finding multiple results for updates and what to do with them
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Old 01-10-2016, 13:23
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With that I would agree but sadly it is a sign of the times where they make it slightly more difficult for those who are not experts to avoid things such as ads , whilst many know where to go others do not and to my mind what they should so is with significant updates etc they should come with a readable file that tells you what has been updated etc For example with one of our programmes in the office whenever there is an update it comes with a box that you can click to see what has been updated, how it affects you / the programme and what you can do etc and where t find new things , that isn't difficult for any company to provide and would help those who as I say are not experts and do not feel comfortable searching the web after every update and finding multiple results for updates and what to do with them
Yes I agree, when every an OS or program is updated it should tell you what has been updated and especially any options that have been changed.

You shouldn't have to go through every option, every time we update just to turn things off all the time, especially things you've already turned off.
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Old 01-10-2016, 13:29
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Most major updates change some of the the privacy settings - always in favour of Microsoft, of course.

It does feel like a constant battle for control of the computer between the user and Microsoft.
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Old 01-10-2016, 14:16
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That's seriously bad advice which would probably result in a hard disc corruption and/or a messed up upgrade.
I've never had an issue and been doing this for years. It just pauses everything or at worst restarts the upgrade/update on startup.

People do far to much fretting about nothing.
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Old 01-10-2016, 14:23
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I shouldn't have to turn things off to be left alone. I should have to opt in, not out.

That's sounds fair to me.

The OS should be an OS, not a platform to advertise things.
They're just on/off options in privacy and general settings. MS are trying to recoup the costs of offering the OS gratis, that's simply business at work. At least you have been provided with opt out options. The only thing you are expected to do is select those options, surely that's not too big an ask for anyone.

Besides it's given you something further to complain about, so not all bad.
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Old 01-10-2016, 15:26
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They're just on/off options in privacy and general settings. MS are trying to recoup the costs of offering the OS gratis, that's simply business at work. At least you have been provided with opt out options. The only thing you are expected to do is select those options, surely that's not too big an ask for anyone.

Besides it's given you something further to complain about, so not all bad.
I get how life works.

Microsoft have become a multi billion business thanks to its 'free' OS, so I don't really have sympathy for them. Especially as it is not the original writers who are abusing their monopoly now to turn an OS into an advert delivery system.

The OS should be sacrosanct, clean and lean. Not boated and adware ridden because of middle management types who ride on the backs of real innovators.
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Old 01-10-2016, 20:43
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They're just on/off options in privacy and general settings. MS are trying to recoup the costs of offering the OS gratis, that's simply business at work. At least you have been provided with opt out options. The only thing you are expected to do is select those options, surely that's not too big an ask for anyone.

Besides it's given you something further to complain about, so not all bad.
Not really opt out options, they still will not people opt out of their telemetry completely.
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Old 01-10-2016, 20:56
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they still will not (let) people opt out of their telemetry completely.
And even if you do set all the privacy options to stop it as much as possible, a subsequent update will set half of them back without notification.
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Old 01-10-2016, 22:32
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For someone who supposedly likes Windows 10, you seem to have turned an awful lot of it off.
Clever...Well nearly, they are optional, turning them off doesn't affect the OS. You should really have known that.....Never mind, forgiven...
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Old 01-10-2016, 23:35
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I get how life works.

Microsoft have become a multi billion business thanks to its 'free' OS, so I don't really have sympathy for them. Especially as it is not the original writers who are abusing their monopoly now to turn an OS into an advert delivery system.

The OS should be sacrosanct, clean and lean. Not boated and adware ridden because of middle management types who ride on the backs of real innovators.
No one is making you use it, there are good alternatives.
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:48
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That's seriously bad advice which would probably result in a hard disc corruption and/or a messed up upgrade.
Not so,

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/choose...aptop-lid-does
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:14
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And even if you do set all the privacy options to stop it as much as possible, a subsequent update will set half of them back without notification.
I've only had that happen once, and that was the full Anniversary Update (which was basically an "install from scratch but keep data & apps" update anyway, once which presented me with the appropriate options screens to turn things off)
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:23
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What I love is people whinging about privacy options getting reset when it only takes a couple of minutes to reset them. It takes much longer to post here about it to complain about it.

In any case, a lot of urban myth (aka garbage) is spouted. I updated several devices to AU and only a small number changed. This is simply due to poor QA rather than tin-foil reasons.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:45
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Oilman, don't you realise that MS and Google are SPYING ON YOU, reading your every email, bombarding you with adverts containing subliminal messages and are responsible for the black helicopters that follow your every move????

Wake up and smell the coffee....they are after YOU
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:13
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And even if you do set all the privacy options to stop it as much as possible, a subsequent update will set half of them back without notification.
I had that happen to me, which is another reason I went back to windows 8. Gone to Windows 10 again for a week.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:28
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No one is making you use it, there are good alternatives.
Sadly that is not always the case. Sure if you are just going to browse the net, write some email, do a bit of office work. then yes Linux is great for that, there is even software that can do stuff like produce music, I know someone who uses Linux for that and does a good job, basic video editing is also on Linux, but the software is hit and miss, but forget software like hitfilm and after effects. Even photo editing can be done with Gimp, it is really good for being a free bit of software, but if you do photo editing and design for a living then you need photoshop, even if it is a pile of bloated rubbish. those are the words from a friend of mine who uses it for her living.
3D modelling with blender is also ok, but it is not cinema 4D.

Then you got games, if you are a games player you need windows or a games console,

Mac Os is nice, lots of good software, but the you are limited to Apple hardware and they are pretty expensive for what they offer.

So people have little choice, yes they can stick with Windows 7 and 8.1 at the moment, but if they buy a new machine it will come with windows 10 and even if they build their own, will the new generation of chips work with older versions of Windows?


I have put windows 10 back on my main computer for a week, a friend of mine yesterday said for me to try it for a whole week and then see what I think of it.
I have disabled a lot of stuff like cortana, even if if not really disabled and I was going to change the start menu, but I will keep that for a couple of days and see how I get on with it.
So this will be the longest I will have used Windows 10, but I had the same problems as I had before with my scanner and windows 10 seems to think I have two printers.
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:42
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So this will be the longest I will have used Windows 10, but I had the same problems as I had before with my scanner and windows 10 seems to think I have two printers.
I had devices and software that worked on xp but not w7, on w7 but not w8 and so on. This happens with all OS's (not just Windows) and is not the fault of the OS but the failure of vendors to support older devices.

It is an unrealistic expectation to expect vendors to support old devices for ever - that would be commercial suicide.

It is equally unrealistic to expect vendors of new devices to ensure drivers etc are available for older OSs as well,

It is easy to create virtual hard drives to install old OS as a dual boot option, and run old OS on odd occasion it is needed. Equally you could do it in reverse ie install W10 in a VHD. It is merely horses for courses.
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Old 02-10-2016, 13:40
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I had devices and software that worked on xp but not w7, on w7 but not w8 and so on. This happens with all OS's (not just Windows) and is not the fault of the OS but the failure of vendors to support older devices.

It is an unrealistic expectation to expect vendors to support old devices for ever - that would be commercial suicide.

It is equally unrealistic to expect vendors of new devices to ensure drivers etc are available for older OSs as well,

It is easy to create virtual hard drives to install old OS as a dual boot option, and run old OS on odd occasion it is needed. Equally you could do it in reverse ie install W10 in a VHD. It is merely horses for courses.

I know what you are saying, but my Scanner while it is old is still better than the cheap junk that is stuck on cheap printers, My printer is newish, so should not really have had problems, for some reason windows 10 thinks I have got 2 of them.

My Windows 8.1 works fine, it is set up as I like it, the software I use works fine on it, the hardware works fine, but Ms even mucked up the way printers work on 10, found out that for some reason my printers kept changing default, I have a PDF one and the hardware one, until I found out this is the default setting on Windows 10 and I had to change that so my canon stays default. why was it changed, what good does it do, who on earth wants their default printer to keep changing, surely then it is not default?

Other little things like changing the default program for files to open, now and again Windows 10 would change it back, certainly after an update, so it is little nigglely things that annoys me and when MS do a large update, they change everything around again, so things have moved.

My main reason for not being fond of Windows 10 have not changed and after this week experiment I will go back to 8.1.


This is a challenge from my Mac owning friend who have until this morning have been using Mavericks on her Mac as she hated Yosemite and El Capitan, but decided to try the new Mac OS Sierra as it is now called on her Mac pro and dared me to have another go at Windows 10 for a week.

We will see what happens.
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Old 02-10-2016, 14:53
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Sadly that is not always the case. Sure if you are just going to browse the net, write some email, do a bit of office work. then yes Linux is great for that, there is even software that can do stuff like produce music, I know someone who uses Linux for that and does a good job, basic video editing is also on Linux, but the software is hit and miss, but forget software like hitfilm and after effects. Even photo editing can be done with Gimp, it is really good for being a free bit of software, but if you do photo editing and design for a living then you need photoshop, even if it is a pile of bloated rubbish. those are the words from a friend of mine who uses it for her living.
3D modelling with blender is also ok, but it is not cinema 4D.

Then you got games, if you are a games player you need windows or a games console,

Mac Os is nice, lots of good software, but the you are limited to Apple hardware and they are pretty expensive for what they offer.

So people have little choice, yes they can stick with Windows 7 and 8.1 at the moment, but if they buy a new machine it will come with windows 10 and even if they build their own, will the new generation of chips work with older versions of Windows?


I have put windows 10 back on my main computer for a week, a friend of mine yesterday said for me to try it for a whole week and then see what I think of it.
I have disabled a lot of stuff like cortana, even if if not really disabled and I was going to change the start menu, but I will keep that for a couple of days and see how I get on with it.
So this will be the longest I will have used Windows 10, but I had the same problems as I had before with my scanner and windows 10 seems to think I have two printers.
Windows 8.1 was always assuming I had two HP printers when I only had the one. When I changed to a Samsung Laser I had no further issues so this was obviously related to HP. I have had no issues with the Samsung using W10 either.

I think you need to have an open mind rather than looking for/expecting problems.
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