How is AV going to help you? If the OS is no longer being updated then it ends up like Swiss cheese and in that scenario AV isn't nearly enough.

I can't believe there is so much ignorance out there when it comes to computers.

The only P4s that will run Windows 10 at all are the 631, 641, 651 and 661.

Not sure why you've put the '1's on there?
I have Windows 10 32bit running fine on a machine with a P4 650 with 2 GB RAM.

(I know it's a 650 because I bought it in Nov 2005, and the 651 didn't come out till Jan 2006
650 is Prescott, 651 is Cedar Mill - Pentium 4 650 vs 651)

Windows 10 runs fine on P4.
Upgraded plenty of P4 PCs Myself to W10 for friends, neighbours and relatives, without issues.

Just checked with a uk company who I know have just recently upgraded thousands of PCs running W7 for one particular company. They checked their list and 40% P4s were included in that figure, upgraded to W10 without any issues.
Also spoke with another PC company that offers enterprise installation/support for many companies throughout UK and Europe and have also not seen any issues with P4.

Minimum specs for W10 are the same as W7;
RAM: 1 GB for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit
Hard disk space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS 20 GB for 64-bit OS
Graphics card: DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver

Only difference would be the display demands 800x600

That's not quite true. I do agree with Ulysses777 that only certain later P4s are compatible with Windows 10. Just a bigger list than they quoted.

It has to be a socket 775 P4 that is 64bit capable, and supports the non-executable bit feature.
(perhaps other laptop sockets are also supported?)
And they will only run the 32bit version of Windows 10.

Hope by antivirus you mean you run more than just a AV virus checking client to scan for malware etc.?
Just thinking, sharing files with other PCs or devices on a network, that may have full internet access and able to infect other PCs on the network, um!.
You really would be better running a supported linux client for a low end PC. Plenty of lite linux versions out there.

re: modern OS on old machines

I used to repair computers at home for beer money (ie £5 - £10 per job) and when folk brought broken old cr*p round I'd joke 'I've thrown stuff away that's better than this'. My mate said 'next time, don't chuck it out - give it to me'. I decided to take him at his word.

A neighbour had an XP era box that had been re-badged at Dixons and sold as Vista (she bought it at Cash Converters). It was very unreliable - the spec was too low for Vista and ran like molasses, often crashing, so I reinstated XP. That was a slight improvement, but the weak cpu couldn't cope in the modern multimedia world. I built the neighbour a cheap entry level Intel box that was like lightning in comparison. Happy customer.

I gave the old XP box to the guy in para #1, and he promptly installed Win7. It ran, but slower than slow. He'd ring me for 'telephone support', and it was painful. I'd say 'now click this', and I'd be waiting for what seemed like minutes for the next window to open. If I had to say 'now restart', it would actually be several minutes waiting for everything to be loaded.

The same guy couldn't resist the free Win10 upgrade on his unreliable 12 year old piece if sh*t. He's chuffed that he has the latest OS, but IMHO the computer is too pathetic to even use. If you add up all the minutes waiting for stuff to load, it must amount to weeks of his life wasted per year sitting looking at a spinning circle.

Sure you can just about run W10 on hardware that belongs in a museum - but why ? A fast new powerful computer - what's not to like ?

I still occasionally use XP (only because I have some legacy games lying around), but I only run it in a VM.

The main OS that I use is Win7 on the desktop and Win10 on the tablet. Win10 isn't too bad on the tablet (now that I've got used to it), but I just couldn't tolerate it on the desktop, so I went back to Win7.

There is a registry modification to disable Cortana.

More details from HowtoGeek:-

http://www.howtogeek.com/265027/how-...in-windows-10/

You're right, I was only thinking of 64bit Windows 10

Done.

If someone doesn't like Windows 10 because they think it's spying on them and forces updates then a Chromebook is a bizarre alternative. Google's entire business is built on monitoring you and the Chromebook is hugely dependent on storing your stuff on Google's servers, plus updates are automatic and mandatory.

It is fine, most of the time it is not on the net, the net is disabled on it. As for becoming swiss cheese, is that not the same for all Ms operating systems?

Makes no difference anyway, there is no way he is going to pay out for windows 10 for such an old machine. It works fine as it is, I do nto know why people are getting so worked up on here.

I have a Nexus 4 mobile phone, that is not updated anymore either, should I get rid of it and buy another new phone so in the next couple of years or support is also stopped on that? Then you go around in circles.

should we keep on buying new computers and new operating systems even if the old one is working fine? No wonder these companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

Linux would not do the job the computer is used for, the software is not available, I am not sure if the software would work on a modern OS anyway, I may have a check later as I got a version of it here.

If you think Running Xp is bad, then you will have a heart attack the next thing I am going to say.
He also have a windows 98 machine up and running, but that is not on the net and have not been for years.

I am fine with 8.1 myself, it does the job I need it to do.

Ah cheers for that, I did have a look around for one, but then everytime I saw one, someone else said that it will not work. The other problem is that Ms may change the settings on the next update.

Saying that I suppose the update could find the folder missing and replace it. Still thinking of putting Windows 8.1 back on.

Ah but... Google isn't Microsoft. MS are in league with the Devil!

Stuck with Windows, eh? I take it that you can't quite bring yourself to say that, given all of the alternatives available, Windows is the best for what you want to do.

What software is that? There must be an alternative that is available on linux or a lter version of Windows?
Simply though, just use within VM.

Windows 98, remember it well. I worked with the IBM OS2 and Microsoft design teams on all its testing and all the OS of the previous/later decades providing support and managed teams/projects that ran the IT enterprise lan environment for the related UI/help/publications departments at that time.

Anyone using that still, I can only laugh, but be good for a science museum...

Windows is the cheapest, Apple Macs are too expensive and also uses Intel.
Saying all of that, If the new AMD chip does not come up to specs, then I will have to change to intel and if I am going to do that, then maybe I will look at a MAc instead of a P.C. The problem then is expansion.
We will wait until next year and see what AMd brings out and then I will decide what to do.,

He is using cool edit pro 2.1, there is a newer version by adobe when they took over Syntrillium, called audition, but he did not like it, they have taken bits out and added stuff he did not like, also the price was a bit high and now you can not buy it you have to rent it so to speak.

TBH It does what he wants and if he made a load of money from it then it would be worth updating.
I have just installed it on my computer and it does install and it seems to work, I loaded a session in and it played that ok, I also recorded something from my microphone on a track and that worked.

I am not a musician, so that is as far as I go

There is software on Linux, Ardour 3, LMMS, which is a great bit of software, but not really what my mate would use. Ardour may be more suited, but it is not a audio editor. There is audacity, which is great for a free bit of software, but is lacking in things.
Saying that I do know someone who uses Ardour and LMMs on a linux machine, but all his stuff is instrumental.
The other problem is learning old dogs new tricks, he is so used to the software he uses and he is not young and learning new things is not easy.
I am only 51 and I struggle with things, learning cinema 4D for instance, the other problem is time. He normally have someone in the studio so the computer needs to be up and running.
I may when I am off work on holiday and if he have a free day i will stick another drive into the computer and install linux on it, after all he is using it on his laptop now and then Install LMMS and Ardour, plenty of tutorials on you Tube for him.


The Windows 98 machine have ISA slots and his old sound card is in that and a yamaha Midi daughter board, some great sound on that daughter board, uses Cakewalk, but only really to allow his midi keyboard to connect to the yamaha Daughterboard, which is then piped though the mixing desk.
It all sounds complex, but it is not really that bad., to be honest he do not use the 98 machine that much, we have a problem with it and while I have got it kind of working, I have not had the time to sort it out properly. It is only a 233 machine.


The XP machine which is the one the runs cool edit is only connected to the net to send the mixed down files across to the other computer./

Reading this thread I feel like I'm on some mind altering drug. I've never read such bizarre replies to quite sane posts.

He's got form for it......He went away for a while, which was nice, now he's back with his inane ramblings.
Nothings changed, same old tripe as a year ago.......

I thought Google was now owned by Microsoft. Am I wrong?