Thanks you for your quick reply and help got it sorted many thanks.

Darren

Deleted problem sorted. Thanks again Stig.

Darren

I reset and the driver would not install (WiFi is working, BT not). Magically, after a sleep it's woken up and the BT is there, the USB unknown device is fixed. iTunes is OK, SIB is fixed the touchpad driver was never re-installed. I didn't bother reinstalling Amazon Music.

Pretty sure it's Windows 10 pushing drivers when it shouldn't.

That was one of the problems I had with it, even from early on, windows 10 trying to install driver it thought was better than what I had.

Interesting change in latest Insider version - if you right click on start button, the power options and system links now open up settings menus instead of control panel menus BUT ONLY if a clean install or you set up a new account!

Has anyone had any problem with the latest update, especially KB3194798?

On a normal Win 10 box, fine.

On two upgraded laptops, (from win 7), takes 2 or 3 hours to download, seems to kill the "Settings" app and, when that's sorted out, starts downloading after complaining, on both machines, that "Couldn't install some updates because the PC was turned off"

They weren't!

Trudy MS have made (another) cock-up, judging by the numbers of complaints across many techie forums.

Having read your post I started the update on my 4 year old upgraded Windows 7 to Windows 10 Laptop. The whole process has taken around 15 minutes and the update installed without any issue.

There are 400 million users of windows 10. Only a tiny fraction get issues (plus one regular poster who gets every issue known to mankind).

People only complain when they get issues, In nearly all cases a repair upgrade sorts the problem by downloading the latest iso, double clicking on it and running setup.exe.

Not really a complaint at all. More an observation, , regarding an issue that has been widely reported, by numerous users, in many technical forums as it happens. A tiny percentage overall, but, perhaps for a naive and non-technical user, (as so many are, especially on here, it seems), somewhat disturbing.

More a point of information. It can in some cases cause issues but given time it can be resolved fairly easily. The fix to restore "Settings" is very easy to do, if perhaps a little counter-intuitive.

To be completely fair, this is the first "issue" I have experienced with an update, out of seemingly thousand, since the heady days of XP and Vista.

More is reported these days simply because more are online these days. I doubt any statistical significance.

Interesting pov.

However, accepting your premise, how would one explain that "issues" tend to come at random intervals. If there was some grand conspiracy against MS, (other than by a few paranoid posters) one would expect a much more regular pattern.

Given that there are around 200 million installations to date it is not surprising that there may be a few issues. The significance of the problem arises when more than a few report the same or very smilar issues.


Never forget that, to anyone who complains , the issue seems very personal. Their computer malfunctions in some way or other and they are concerned; they actually don't give a damn about the other 99.9% of users and they don't care about being statistical blip.

Given the enormous amount of different hardware/software combinations possible on a Windows box I remained amazed and surprised there aren't more. I think that there aren't is testament to the skill of MS engineers. Apple on the other hand have it relatively easy as they have a limited product line with control over both hardware and software.

Yes indeed. I do some work on a technical helpline, for a specialist (not computing) site.

Basic OS and browser details are recorded, via user agent interrogation, as these can be critical to supporting the site content, which is highly configurable by the end-user.

Even now, into the second year of Win 10 heaven, it is possible to see end users who still have Win 98 (yes!) in use, XP, of course, Vista and naturally win 7 and 8.x The choice of browsers is pretty diverse too: IE 6 through 11, Opera v12 +, Firefox from v 20+, Chrome and so on.

It never ceases to amaze me that some users are are still unaware of how to use "copy and paste", or how to change overall screen display by Ctrl +/-.

Given the complexity of modern browsers it is perhaps not surprising that there are occasional issues.

My daughters on her Masters course and admitted she needed a PC work station, she has tablets and laptops but a dedicated station helps you sit down and focus.

i7 machine bla bla bla, installed W10 and to be honest it was a smooth operation. About a month down the line and its just running smooth,

just a random question ..

Just got a 120gb SSD and I'm debating whether or not to do a clean format and re-install on to it instead of just cloning the drive i've got currently.

I bought it primarily to use as as a boot drive anyway, but I'm just wondering if anyone has reformatted or cloned in a similar situation ?

I understand it's possible to do a clean install of W10 for "free" still if you make a recovery disk, according to this ..

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/1...n-install.html

so i'm not to worried about the extra work involved but I was just wondering if it would be better to start new drive 'fresh' maybe ?

For the record, I've got to wait in all day on friday for some engineers and this would give me something to keep me occupied

Is this a PC you bought with W10 on it, or one you have previously upgraded?

Upgraded for free from Windows 7 professional.

50/50 / Personal choice really.

Purists will advocate Clean Install, especially since it's an upgrade from W7, but it can be a fair bit of work.
Delete any SSD partitions during Install and install to Unallocated space.

Personally, if existing installation is working correctly and not unnecessarily laggy or buggy, I'd clone the System Reserved partition and C: with Macrium Reflect Free or Easeus Todo Backup Free.

Backup all existing MS and non-MS drivers first http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...le_driver.html

Thanks for that. I'll decide in the next day or so but i suppose with time to kill on friday i could end up going for the full re-format.

Or i might just feel lazy

The only real reason to not do a clean install is if you don't have the time and/or inclination to reinstall and configure everything afterwards.

A clean install has always given the best results for me.

Wouldn't it be great to reformat or clean-install people? You know, like being around them would maybe be bearable if you could just iron out all the defects, error messages and all-round wrinkles?

The delete option would be ok as well for some

I'm beyond repair and need a new me from John Lewis

If you can hang on until January you may well just pick yourself up at a bargain