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oilman
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by shaun_lench:
“The real fact here is... I shouldn't have to worry about backing stuff up...full stop.. its 2015 we should not be having to buy extra hard drives and stuff just incase microsoft messes up because i didn't mess up! i do have system images anyway which doesn't help at all when your unable boot at all. But tbh i think its something to do with video drivers and another reason why we need to get microsoft to pay for repairs if they can't handle their own software with hardware. Why don't they just keep it simple.

Shaun.”


Of course, system images help when you can't boot - that is what they are there for. You set the PC in the bios to boot from a usb stick containing the recovery software, and the system image on an external hard drive. This will work even if the internal hard drive is completely blank. The only time this would fail is if there is a hardware problem, or you had corrupted the BIOS which is extremely rare.
Takae
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by shaun_lench:
“The real fact here is... I shouldn't have to worry about backing stuff up...full stop.. its 2015 we should not be having to buy extra hard drives and stuff just incase microsoft messes up because i didn't mess up! i do have system images anyway which doesn't help at all when your unable boot at all. But tbh i think its something to do with video drivers and another reason why we need to get microsoft to pay for repairs if they can't handle their own software with hardware. Why don't they just keep it simple. .”

You want Microsoft to keep it simple? Don't install anything that isn't Microsoft. None of that would happen if users didn't install non-Microsoft programs and hardware manufacturers didn't update their drivers.

That's probably why Apple is so controlling. It won't even let me uninstall Safari when I can with IE on Windows.
shaun_lench
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by oilman:
“Of course, system images help when you can't boot - that is what they are there for. You set the PC in the bios to boot from a usb stick containing the recovery software, and the system image on an external hard drive. This will work even if the internal hard drive is completely blank. The only time this would fail is if there is a hardware problem, or you had corrupted the BIOS which is extremely rare.”

That's the point though oilman it wouldn't let me go into bios i had to take it to a shop and pay £45 pound as the updates screwed my hardware and it took over a week too as the shop had to order the part which had either burnt or broke. I still don't understand what had happened and more confused with every windows they bring out.

Also the laptop pc i have was supposed to be a gaming machine and had windows 7 home pro on it from the start and only a few years old.

Peace,

Shaun.
Stig
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by shaun_lench:
“That's the point though oilman it wouldn't let me go into bios i had to take it to a shop and pay £45 pound as the updates screwed my hardware and it took over a week too as the shop had to order the part which had either burnt or broke. I still don't understand what had happened and more confused with every windows they bring out.

Also the laptop pc i have was supposed to be a gaming machine and had windows 7 home pro on it from the start and only a few years old.

Peace,

Shaun.”

Software can't break hardware. End of.
Maxatoria
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by Takae:
“That's probably why Apple is so controlling. It won't even let me uninstall Safari when I can with IE on Windows.”

Oh yes, you never probably saw the clusterf--k that happened when apple allowed 3rd party hardware in the g3/g4 era. Was hilarious in that nearly every patch from the fruity one would mean that the card manufacturers had to rewrite the drivers as apple kept banning api access to more and more routines until the manufacturers pretty much just said 'ah f--- it' and left apple alone which is why its generally not seen as a gaming platform.
shaun_lench
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by Takae:
“You want Microsoft to keep it simple? Don't install anything that isn't Microsoft. None of that would happen if users didn't install non-Microsoft programs and hardware manufacturers didn't update their drivers.

That's probably why Apple is so controlling. It won't even let me uninstall Safari when I can with IE on Windows.”

Then i guess im going to go to apple then. Im sick of having to rely on sites like these when it SHOULD be Microsoft who do the troubleshooting, its all wrong in my opinion and so much time wasting on a pc.

I really don't think this pc conversion win 10 thing to link tablets and mobiles is going to do them any favours. people have already had enough of wasting time when our pc's should run how we want them too, not how they want to throw ads at us all and mess up the system to make their lives easier and our's harder.

Sorry for long post

Shaun
Takae
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by shaun_lench:
“Then i guess im going to go to apple then. Im sick of having to rely on sites like these when it SHOULD be Microsoft who do the troubleshooting, its all wrong in my opinion and so much time wasting on a pc.

I really don't think this pc conversion win 10 thing to link tablets and mobiles is going to do them any favours. people have already had enough of wasting time when our pc's should run how we want them too, not how they want to throw ads at us all and mess up the system to make their lives easier and our's harder.

Sorry for long post

Shaun”

Apple does have its share of problems that have people going to forums for help. Same with Linux and all other systems. Such is life.

The only way you can avoid all that is build a PC from scratch, create your own operating system and write your own programs, and don't install anything you didn't write. When it has a glitch, you can rely on yourself to sort it out.
shaun_lench
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by Stig:
“Software can't break hardware. End of.”

So what did Stig??
shaun_lench
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by Takae:
“Apple does have its share of problems that have people going to forums for help. Same with Linux and all other systems. Such is life.

The only way you can avoid all that is build a PC from scratch, create your own operating system and write your own programs, and don't install anything you didn't write. When it has a glitch, you can rely on yourself to sort it out.”

True that..

But still, windows needs a new platform and i dont mean win 10. It needs to be able to always make sure we can get our work done no matter what the updates are.

Also for stig who says software can;t harm hardware. loool. who u kidding, you aint that stig from the sun are you??
shaun_lench
12-08-2015
Also something i must add is the fact that why are so many of us on these sites asking about security questions which should remain with microsoft windows to deal with the customers.

If i bought a packet of crisp and it had a hole in the bag and i lost some chips then i would have to take it to the shop for exchange but If i bought a bag of crisps and the bag was fine but then i open it up and there is like 3 crisps/chips in there, then who's fault is it?

Shaun.
oilman
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by shaun_lench:
“That's the point though oilman it wouldn't let me go into bios i had to take it to a shop and pay £45 pound as the updates screwed my hardware and it took over a week too as the shop had to order the part which had either burnt or broke. I still don't understand what had happened and more confused with every windows they bring out.

Also the laptop pc i have was supposed to be a gaming machine and had windows 7 home pro on it from the start and only a few years old.

Peace,

Shaun.”

Just bad luck.
shaun_lench
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by oilman:
“Just bad luck.”

It's not just bad luck though, it shouldn't happen at all and seeing that it does happen suggests windows is not ready to promise the world it has a fail proof O.S

Shaun
WhatJoeThinks
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by shaun_lench:
“It's not just bad luck though, it shouldn't happen at all and seeing that it does happen suggests windows is not ready to promise the world it has a fail proof O.S

Shaun”

By your own admission you have no idea how or why your computer broke, and reading some of your comments you have little understanding of how computers work. Which is fine of course, but your constant berating of MS is misguided, to say the least. Nobody has promised the world a fail-proof OS. That would be impossible.
Thine Wonk
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by Stig:
“Software can't break hardware. End of.”

Agreed, unless you count really malicious software writing to firmware and then locking it so it can't be written to again, which I believe may technically be feasible in extremely unique cases, or some very specialist and mostly really old ways to damage hardware with malware "killer poke" is the name given to it.

However in this case, when doing an upgrade absolutely not, never, never, never. If the poster took it to a PC repair shop and they said hardware was faulty it is either a really freaky coincidence or they are ripping the person off.
Maccadanny
12-08-2015
Doesn't anybody remember the woes of installing windows ME or vista, now that was what I call a real challenge. If you didn't know anything about operating systems you were well and truly knackered. Win 10 in comparison is a walk in the park.
Stig
12-08-2015
Just think about it: if someone could invent an OS that was 100% reliable on all hardware and compatible with all previous software:
1. They would do so
2. It would outsell all other systems
3. We'd be using it now

As the above hasn't happened, we need to recognise the limitations of technology in the real world and get on with it.
shaun_lench
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by Stig:
“Just think about it: if someone could invent an OS that was 100% on all hardware and compatible:
1. They would do so
2. It would outsell all other systems
3. We'd be using it now

As the above hasn't happened, we need to recognise the limitations of technology in the real world and get on with it.”

It has happened stig cos the government are using them now this very moment but were not!

Im not having a go mate its just some people trying to make me out as a troll or worse.

I have serious concerns with our future and that's why im so irate ( pissed off ) sorry if i came across as a stubborn bastard its just that i am sometimes when it affects us lot.

Shaun.
shaun_lench
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“Are you getting it or not? Even through its a free download to Windows 7 or 8 users. They may be a problem with downloading it in the workplaces until its gets approval from bosses.”

Sorry for hijacking your post hyper was just a post then turned out more than a post about windows 10.

Hope you got your answer lol

respect

shaun
Maxatoria
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by shaun_lench:
“It has happened stig cos the government are using them now this very moment but were not!

Shaun.”

Well i'd be impressed if they could get windows 10 on a 8088 processor with 64kb of ram and a dual 360kb floppy system working like it would do using an mda card...pro points for using an original xt using a tape drive to load up at current ssd speeds
call100
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by shaun_lench:
“It has happened stig cos the government are using them now this very moment but were not!
.”

Not sure you are too familiar with Government IT systems...
Maccadanny
12-08-2015
Jeez people it's only an operating system, it's not like the end of the world is nigh. You just have to laugh at some of the posts here (Shaun).
oilman
12-08-2015
Originally Posted by Maccadanny:
“Jeez people it's only an operating system, it's not like the end of the world is nigh. You just have to laugh at some of the posts here (Shaun).”

Some posters recently remind me of the classic (and bl**dy true) Dilbert cartoon quotation:-

Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!
miss buzzybee
12-08-2015
Windows 10 working mostly fine on my 4 year old laptop. Booting up and shutting down much faster.
Leathertrouser2
13-08-2015
Just put in another thread. I love it. I am admittedly am Windows man and always have been since a kid on 3.1 but not even I could defend Windows 8 which was truly awful and trying to explain things to a technophobe was extremely difficult. I even defended Vista, I actually like Vista to. My one gripe is the information centre which repeats things I.E. Outlook brings up my E-mails and then it appears again in my notification area. If all else fails and you need an endorphin hit ( I think some need more than others on here) I recommend Citrus Blossom Shake N' Vac. Put that ****ing freshness back folks.
shaun_lench
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Maxatoria:
“Well i'd be impressed if they could get windows 10 on a 8088 processor with 64kb of ram and a dual 360kb floppy system working like it would do using an mda card...pro points for using an original xt using a tape drive to load up at current ssd speeds”

They use super computers with different kind of AV. don't think it would be windows 10 they would use!

Shaun
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