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Old 14-08-2015, 19:46
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The info around is that 10 makes the old OS key invalid. Even going as far as saying it turns a retail disk OS into a 'one non device transferable 10 OS only'.

Maybe MS should clarify the many work in progress aspects of 10.

You would have thought somone in the media would have gotten all these much needed questions properly answered!
BiB - section 4b of the windows 10 license seems to state otherwise

b.
Stand-alone software. If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and
also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may
transfer the software to another device that belongs to you. You may also transfer
the software to a device owned by someone else if (i) you are the first licensed user
of the software and (ii) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. You may
use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on
to transfer the software. Every time you transfer the software to a new device, you
must remove the software from the prior device. You may not transfer the software
to share licenses between devices.
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Old 14-08-2015, 19:59
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Don't be daft, Linux is at best a 'work in progress', it needs messing about with; its fun but not for people who want things to work straight from the box.
For the average computer user, I can see Linux being a nightmare for them. For a start, only a small amount of hardware comes with Linux drivers. It's really not very well supported by hardware companies at all.
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:04
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BiB - section 4b of the windows 10 license seems to state otherwise

b.
Stand-alone software. If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and
also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may
transfer the software to another device that belongs to you.
It is referring to '10' as the software, not the old OS. That is implied in 'you upgraded'. I could be wrong but it takes positive thinking to read otherwise..
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:20
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This explains licencing quite well.

If your w7/8 licence wad a full retail, and you can you upgrade to 10, then you can transfer 10 as well.

http://imageframe.co.uk/windows-10-licensing-faqs

MS have never stated that the upgrade will be irreversible in 1 years time. As far as I can see, all that will happen if you revert after a year, you would lose a free upgrade. Since you accept the terms and conditions on the eula, and if it does explicitly prohibit reverting, then surely it must be permissible?

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Old 14-08-2015, 20:23
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For the average computer user, I can see Linux being a nightmare for them. For a start, only a small amount of hardware comes with Linux drivers. It's really not very well supported by hardware companies at all.
Yeah thats right, not.

Windows 7 wont find my asus board drivers, i need to install them from asus dvd. Then i have to update them all. The board is only 2yrs old .
Yet all the linux os i try find all the drivers,it just works.
Windows 10 wont find the correct video drivers for my new graphics card i bought a month ago.
Linux does.

Can't believe the ignorance by some posters about linux.
Are windows users getting worried
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:26
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I presume you have not really used Linux then, try using it for a while and then make a judgement. More secure than Windows, more stable than Windows, runs on lower spec machines than windows, you do not need to buy forever faster machines just to run the Os on, like you do for windows.
Linux do not have gimmicks like Ms likes putting in Windows 10. It just works, if you can;t get it working, then i suggest you stay with Windows.
You presume wrong, I have used Linux on an old i5 laptop, its OK for me as I like messing with computers, but its not for Joe Public.
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:26
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Ahh right, you mean like windows 10 does (nt)
Its working pretty well just now
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:34
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It is referring to '10' as the software, not the old OS. That is implied in 'you upgraded'. I could be wrong but it takes positive thinking to read otherwise..
Not something you could ever be accused of.
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:37
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It is referring to '10' as the software, not the old OS. That is implied in 'you upgraded'. I could be wrong but it takes positive thinking to read otherwise..
I hope you are not going down the pub tonight to depress your mates
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:40
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You presume wrong, I have used Linux on an old i5 laptop, its OK for me as I like messing with computers, but its not for Joe Public.
Suppose we should really need to start a new thread on win v linux v osx, or this thread will get hijacked, and so far DS has been lacking (thankfully )in the hijacking of threads, eg windows/osx/linux so lets try and keep it that way

I've upgraded win7 to win 10 just out of curiosity, do think its ok.
Just wondering if this is going to be the equivalent of a rolling release, as i understand it microsoft will just keep releasing updates?

What will happen in a few yrs time. As if i bought a version of win10 in 2yrs time, for a fresh install on a HD, then the updates/install process would take ages.

eg i did a fresh install of win7 ready for win10 upgrade and it took 7hrs thats just update after update.

Now as you are a linux user, you may know they just release updated iso version, so a os thats been out a year, that somebody downloaded and installed is a pretty quick process, hope that all makes sense?
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:47
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eg i did a fresh install of win7 ready for win10 upgrade and it took 7hrs thats just update after update.
just doing that now myself on an old laptop ...... you're not kidding
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Old 14-08-2015, 20:56
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What will happen in a few yrs time. As if i bought a version of win10 in 2yrs time, for a fresh install on a HD, then the updates/install process would take ages.
Pure supposition, but I should think that if you bought the licence online, the download iso would be reasonably up to date eg MS would uprev it every few months or so? Would anybody bother with an actual DVD these days?
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:01
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Yeah thats right, not.

Windows 7 wont find my asus board drivers, i need to install them from asus dvd. Then i have to update them all. The board is only 2yrs old .
Yet all the linux os i try find all the drivers,it just works.
Windows 10 wont find the correct video drivers for my new graphics card i bought a month ago.
Linux does.

Can't believe the ignorance by some posters about linux.
Are windows users getting worried
You obviously mean me. Anyway, I meant that not many hardware companies provide discs with Linux drivers on them. Me worried? Not at all. Why should I be worried? I'm not pro Mac, Windows or Linux.
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:06
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You obviously mean me. Anyway, I meant that not many hardware companies provide discs with Linux drivers on them. Me worried? Not at all. Why should I be worried? I'm not pro Mac, Windows or Linux.
But they don't need to, Linux doesn't work like that, its all built into the kernel.
Doh will save it for another day, or we will end up hijacking thread
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:07
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eg i did a fresh install of win7 ready for win10 upgrade and it took 7hrs thats just update after update.
I've just upgraded to Windows 10 again tonight. It maxed my connection out and didn't take long to download. I suppose for people with crap broadband speeds (maybe your broadband is slow), it would take hours and hours.
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:12
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I've just upgraded to Windows 10 again tonight. It maxed my connection out and didn't take long to download. I suppose for people with crap broadband speeds (maybe your broadband is slow), it would take hours and hours.
10mb/s, and all hardware is new ish.
It's not just the download, its the installing of updates combined with downloading.
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:17
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I think this an open secret now https://www.google.co.uk/search?pws=...s+7&gws_rd=ssl
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:24
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10mb/s, and all hardware is new ish.
It's not just the download, its the installing of updates combined with downloading.
It didn't take that long for me. Do you have an SSD or HDD?
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:26
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Mine is 2 hours on average (5mbit/s)
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:29
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For the average computer user, I can see Linux being a nightmare for them. For a start, only a small amount of hardware comes with Linux drivers. It's really not very well supported by hardware companies at all.
I have stuck Mint on a fair few computers and apart from one dell that had a strange wi-fi chipset, they all worked fine and some are still working. windows 10 would not even work on the Dell never mind have drivers for it.

Every bit of hardware I have got works with Mint, including my Scanner, which plays up on windows 10, it even configures my sound card correctly, again something that windows 10 don't unless I put the drivers in from the manufactures website and windows 8.1 do not even know what the card is.
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:31
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It didn't take that long for me. Do you have an SSD or HDD?
HDD

Mine is 2 hours on average (5mbit/s)
For a clean install from scratch, not using cloned image or any form of backup?
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:35
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You presume wrong, I have used Linux on an old i5 laptop, its OK for me as I like messing with computers, but its not for Joe Public.
Since most of joe public just browse the net, maybe write the odd email or letter, Linux is fine for joe public. Once mint is set up and working most people will nto notice the difference, apart from the fact their computer will run faster and more stable and they do not have to worry about running security software that slows the Os down. Granted if you are into gaming, then you need windows, I know steam is trying to get games onto Linux, but it is still not getting very far.

At least when I booted up Mint this evening i did not get it persevering me once again to update like windows 8.1 is. Once again, just before I rebooted I had a nag come up saying Microsoft recommends you update to Windows 10.
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:37
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I meant my download time for a big iso.

Clean Installs can take anywhere between 2 hours and a few days
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:42
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Suppose we should really need to start a new thread on win v linux v osx, or this thread will get hijacked, and so far DS has been lacking (thankfully )in the hijacking of threads, eg windows/osx/linux so lets try and keep it that way

I've upgraded win7 to win 10 just out of curiosity, do think its ok.
Just wondering if this is going to be the equivalent of a rolling release, as i understand it microsoft will just keep releasing updates?

What will happen in a few yrs time. As if i bought a version of win10 in 2yrs time, for a fresh install on a HD, then the updates/install process would take ages.

eg i did a fresh install of win7 ready for win10 upgrade and it took 7hrs thats just update areconsises my sound card and fter update.reconsises my sound card and
Windows 10 is annoying sometimes, with the notification panel, I know you can switch it off, but sometimes things are missed. The fact that windows 10 don't seem to remember defaults. The awful start menu, thankfully that can be changed.
The amount of info MS wants Windows 10 to send to them.
Cortana, is just a gimmick or another way to get us to tell MS our secrets.

While windows 8.1 is not perfect, I have got it set up to the way I like it and to be honest I can not be bothered to keep mucking around.
There are other things with 10 that annoys me.
updates take so long with Windows as it is, it seems like it is going to take even longer with 10 and as i said before, it is a unfinished OS.


Now as you are a linux user, you may know they just release updated iso version, so a os thats been out a year, that somebody downloaded and installed is a pretty quick process, hope that all makes sense?
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Nope and a beer sounds good to me.
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Old 14-08-2015, 21:44
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Internet Explorer in Windows 10 certainly 'feels' lighter when the ad-blocker is disabled on other sites. There was a little bit of a struggle in 8.1 when moving the side bar up and down when adverts were displayed. There's no struggle in Windows 10 though from what I can see. Adverts don't impact on my navigation of sites now. I can also drag the side bar down quickly to get to a certain point on an Amazon's product page without the side bar jerking/struggling for about half a second. For now, I'm impressed with it.
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