' Once mint is set up and working ' thats right, once set up and working, Windows is so much better for the average user, end of story.

Went to down load Windows 10 today on pc & laptop and took almost 5 hours just to get 60% Downloaded (best Description i give) on both so just stopped is that normal for a pc & Laptop

As easy to install as Windows for a basic machine and for most machines it will work out of the box.
Windows is bloated and it is Windows that slow machines down. Windows 10 is worse than the others with gimmicks like Cortana.

It was going at a crap speed for me as well, until I clicked on show me download progress, at which point I stopped the download and then started it off again (in Windows Update). It then flew along at my maximum broadband speed.

This thread is getting tedious now since the Linux zealots are using this as the latest opportunity to spread their (decidely boring) mantra. FFS - this is a Windows 10 thread.

Start a new thread by all means, (legitimate debate is fine by me) and then those of us who are interested in helping people with Windows 10 issues can do so.

Yes! Enough of the Linux already..........Go find out how to start a new thread.....It's not that difficult....

I think most of the issues are around the people installing it - they're the disaster. "Good workman, blaming his tools etc."

A busy bee, Windows 10 be, it seems.

http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-to-microsoft/

In part, you are correct, but if we have learnt one thing, it is that the most reliable means of installing 10 appears to be to do an upgrade using media creation tool etc.

Regrettably the vast majority of pc users will be totally unaware of this, and what to do if things go pearshaped.

Don't use it then...

Oh, I agree, it's a Windows 10 discussion and the promotion of Linux isn't really needed here (I say that as a Linux user myself). Still, it's not as if you haven't contributed to the Linux discussion yourself.

Edge is just another more advanced Trident fork. "EdgeHTML" is the new name, but it's root is still Trident. The supposed good news is that they rewrote all of the code from scratch--they just meet the same standards/protocols as the old code. Supposedly the main benefit is that Javascript runs much faster. Of course this is completely useless when the browser is at the same time slowed to a crawl by an inability to block hostile/ad-driven Javascript (due to a lack of proper extensions) but in THEORY that's why it's supposedly faster.

I wasn't recommending anyone use Safari by the way. Just talking about the demographics of Windows browser installs. Safari actually got a foothold for a year or two among Apple enthusiasts who convinced themselves they weren't having to "compromise" using a Windows PC if they still had their Safari. It sucked though. There are probably plenty of people with lame duck installs of it left around though--that was my point.

Yeah but enough is enough!

Just count to Windows 10 and exhale.

Linux is fine advice, but it's basically advice for people with OLDER machines. That DOES seem to include a lot of people who are installing Win 10 who shouldn't--so it IS natural advice to give here. It just shouldn't be an automatic answer for every time people are bitching about with Win 10. Most of the complaints don't seem to revolve around machines too low end to run Win 10, they seem to be around migration problems (and people not willing or able to follow best practices for a safe/ideal migration). If and when they realise for example that a 1GB RAM machine is NOT a good candidate for Win10, or a video card totally unsupported, or anything of THAT nature, then the "use Linux instead" card is a good one to pull, because it's good advice and it works great rather than tossing the machine. When that isn't the case--when the problem is simply lack of patience and understanding and Win 10 should indeed run on that PC fine? The Linux advice is just a waste of breath and posts.

Linux and Apple discussions are not appropriate. They can be useful, but don't proselytize.

If somebody has an old underspecced machine the advice can go in 2 directions. 1. throw it out, buy something new. 2. stay where you are, don't change anything. Installing Linux (which one anyway) could be too big an adventure for them.

Good advice.
Be honest, would not advice Linux for any low end PC user. It has improved and I play with it a lot myself, fun with all the distributions and have used it in the past in an enterprise environment alongside MS servers.
But once the low end PC user needs to tweak it, which often happens even with distros like 'Ubuntu' out of the box, its not easy for many users or an alien concept and I'm sure they really are not wanting to learn.
Must admit I see very little use of Linux OS distros these days, think the world of tablets and smartphones has been a blow for that and put an end to using on the older machines and as you say the older PCs have probably now ended up in landfill.

If a PC runs Vista or 7 it should be fine with Windows 10.

What is painful are driver issues, conflicts with 3rd party software, and other random errors. This happens with any major upgrade, or even when installing updates.

The good advice which had been given several times is:
Make a backup of your data, preferably a system image
Have recovery media available for your previous OS
Be patient!

Ive helped install Windows 10 for many now over the last few weeks and not seen any problems on a lot of kit, mostly laptops that have all been capable.
Did see quite a few that reported via GW10 they would not be compatible, the AMD Radeon graphics driver, they all took W10 and worked fine.

What I have been impressed with is the HP stream 13, many people have that and it had 8.1 on with the OS hidden partition (of course making a full system backup, a doddle for one of these on a micro sd or usb stick), it runs w10 a dream, even only with 32gb. But I did encourage the users to use their dropbox and 1tb of onedrive storage for docs, pics etc and share that with their phones/tablets and its still has a healthy 20gb there. Did a clean install and then took a usb image that fits nicely on a 16gb stick or an image file to their onedrive.
These machine have lovely and very responsive touchscreens (no need to use the W10 tablet mode) and run pretty fast for such a low price, well recommended.
Once you have uninstalled all the hp crapware, of course.

If this media creation tool is used, do the registration gadget that comes up on Windows 7/8 need to be used or can you just do a update?

Ah I see, so in theory any software that uses IE, should be able to use Edge. MS needs a good browser, something they have never really had and I do not think Edge will cut it.
The reason why so many people use IE is because it was built into the OS.

A mate of mine still got it installed on one of his desktops, I told him not to use it and uninstall it, but he have not, which is strange really because he is always going on about security.

I use a chrome clone myself, on Windows and use Chromium on Linux. I did have a look at firefox again a few weeks back, but to be honest I am not that impressed.

Edge seems to be faster than IE but it have got too many gimmicks and cortana being built in would put me off. I don't know if disabling Cortana in Windows 10 itself would disable it in Edge. No extensions is also not good, I know it is going to happen in October, but it would have been a good idea to finish it before launched.
Not that I use many extension, lastpast, xmarks and ghostery, that is about it.

I know of someone who have a Samsung dual core Atom netbook running Windows 7, it had a upgrade to windows 10 thing come up on that, which surprised me as it only have 7 starter. Not sure weather to update it or not to be honest, it struggles sometimes with Windows 7, I know 10 is suppose to be lighter.

The owner of the machine is not sure if she wants to update or not, I know one thing I will do a image of the machine first.

That is not a samsung nf210 is it?
Have installed a W10 on one of those fine, it ran very well.
They had changed the 1gb ram on theirs for a 2gb one, might be worth doing. It only has one ram module slot, but takes a 2gb ddr3 one. Easy to change the ram on the back too.

Do several things before you upgrade.

1. Copy all valuable data to an external hard drive.

2. Make a windows usb recovery stick, and make sure you know the windows install code. If not see url below

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/

3 (optional but highly recommended) Install Macrium Reflect Free and make full image backup (easiest way of recovering) - see


http://www.howtogeek.com/223139/how-to-create-an-image-of-your-pc-before-upgrading-to-windows-10/

You will need an external usb hard drive.

4 Important - make sure netbook is set to boot from usb before hard disk. Test pc boots from windows recovery usb stick (do not do recovery) and also from macrium rescue usb stick if you do option 3 (guide explains how to make Rescue stick)

If you do above, you can try the upgrade.

To upgrade, we recomnend you do it manually.

1. Find out if netbook has 32 bit or 64 bit OS installed (go to system in control panel).

2. Download media creation tool.

Follow instructions in this guide.

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-10-media-creation-tool-create-installation-media-upgrade

Make sure you select to keep files and programs.


If you do all above, the upgrade should go smoothly. If not you can easily recover.