MS did sell windows 8 licence at a offer price to people with Windows 7, i just had a look and I paid £24.99, Ok my friend paid £24.99 for me.

MS reason for giving away Windows 10 is to get us all onto the same system, so it cost less to support and easier for third parties to produce software. That is what they said, or something like that anyway. But they are hoping to make money by selling you useless apps that you think you need but really don't and don't forget the advertising.

As for Windows 11, you may be waiting a long time, according to MS this is the last Windows as such. I can't see it myself mind you, it could take another ten years or so, but sooner or later they will need a new version. In 10 years Computers can change a lot.

Windows 10 is probably the most information aquisitive operating system ever and Microsoft ought perhaps to be more open about what categories of information are being gathered, how they will be used and what controls home users can apply to opt out of that information gathering process.

Windows 10 violates your privacy by default, here's how you can protect yourself

I also have concerns about Windows 10's updates policy, i.e. they're forced and home users aren't being given a choice now about how and when to install updates (in contrast to previous Windows versions) not least because Microsoft produces damaging KB updates now and again.


However, the Linux kernel is not the one with the inbuilt NSA backdoor (Linus Torvalds declined to put one in): http://bgr.com/2013/08/21/microsoft-...nsa-back-door/ (which explains why China wanted nothing to do with Windows 8)

I'm a retired nurse and hate seeing people in anguish I suppose.

I sort of agree but, Vista was fine if you had a good machine and after all the updates. Far too many machines had the 'Windows Vista' sticker on them when in reality they were not up to running it so I split the blame there with MS and manufacturers.

I agree with you I rolled back windows 10 back to 7 Pro, IMHO I think Windows 10 is being still worked on by MS.

Of course it is being worked on. The new model for Windows 10 is gradual evolution, no longer new sub versions eg there will never be a 10.1.

This means that old bugs will get fixed, and new ones introduced. Many people say they will wait until bugs are fixed. That is never going to happen.

It is a fair point to wait until the first main wave of bugs are fixed, reducing risks of being affected, but does not eliminate it.

With sensible backup strategies eg

http://www.howtogeek.com/223139/how-...to-windows-10/

you can upgrade and try it, and revert if you get issue.

Remember, if you wait till bugs are fixed, then you can thank all those who took the risk making life easier for you.

A continuous development cannot mean that they deliver half arsed buggy solutions. It would destabilise the OS and the programmes running on it. You cannot build a robust programme on top of an OS that is crumbling. If they cannot guarantee that, business will abandon W10. And it will not be in affect or irrational like it was with general public and Windows 8, it will be highly practical.

I think MS should have waited a bit longer before they launched it, even the browser is not ready.
I said it before and I will say it again, Ms did not want to miss the launch date, so they put it out ready or not. I also know that Ms said Windows 10 was a on going thing, but that do not give them a excuse to put out a half finished product.

TBH, I do not really want a OS that is being changed all the time with new features being added.
at least with Windows 8.1 you know where you are

Too right I have used Windows 8.1 I was not too impressed with that having had Windows 7 pro, I bought a new PC & wanted 7 Pro instead they sent me 8.1 by mistake a real faff but they changed it for 7 Pro again long story I'm happy with 7 Pro I have a feeling I might be like a lot of XP users if you know what I mean hanging on in there

I cannot be bothered to reply anymore to your posts.

I must admit Windows 8.;1 is quicker than 7 and seems to run software a bit smoother than 7, but I like 7 more than 8, saying that I now have 8 set up to the way I want it with a nice start menu and it acts like windows 7 most of the time. I am still not impressed with the flat look mind you. 10 is worse.

I thought more people I know would have updated to windows 10 by now, but still a lot that have not, some because they are worried it may go wrong, some because they do not like the look of the UI, some because they have seen the articles about the spying and some because they can not be bothered.

I updated my brothers laptop, it seems ok, but this morning when I switched it on to make sure it was ok, the hard drive was going crazy, it have seems to slowed down a bit now, so maybe it was still sorting things out.

What I can see is that little notice in the taskbar that people have got will get more intrusive as it gets closer to the end of the free update time. As it was before I got rid of it, it was popping up now and again, then it started to pop up every time I booted the computer up, then I noticed it popping up at random intervals.

Because you are in denial and do not see that Windows 10 is not fit to be out to the general public.

Why? Because it's not working for you (even though you don't use it daily), it doesn't mean that it's not working perfectly well for the vast majority of users.

^^^ I do so agree with that. In addition to equipment being underpowered, another issue was the lack of drivers, e.g. for peripheral equipment and so on. Had Microsoft waited a bit of time until more capable PCs were being produced (Moore's Law and all that), which would have also allowed the driver issues to be resolved, then Vista need not have been a PR debacle.

In the case of Win 10, if a PC, laptop or tablet has Win 8 or 8.1 natively installed, then it's a safe bet that Win 10 could probably work well on that piece of kit.

They also incremented a major number of an internal version, which broke programmes made by incompetent programmers. A lot of factors met to kick Vista up the arse.

It is not that fact that it works, it is the fact that it looks and feels unfinished, they have not even sorted out the context menus out yet unless you get a insider version and then that have other bugs. Edge is incomplete. You can tell how things are with the amount of updates that been chucked at it since launched.

i used to use it daily, I do not have it at all now on my computer,

It's good enough and works fine, the mrs is much happier than her old vista install

In the corporate world theres no chance that any build of any OS will pretty much hit mainstream in the first year as when i looked after mainframes the dev machines got it well before anything in production ever would and that could be 12-18 months

Realistically if you hate windows so much either roll your own OS or some linux OS

Most of that is your opinion and not universal. MS have said Edge is incomplete so that's just repeating what they actually say.
As you don't even have it now, why do you insist on pretending you have an in depth knowledge of it?

How can you witter on about it then, why care?
Your privacy paranoia is weird in today's world, more benefit gained from sharing than hiding it
Client detail sharing in my fitness business is an excellent add on to my business, all done from specialised companies that I work with and use it for recommendations that adds real value to them and of course stats and extra and more driven business for me, not to spy on you as an individual
None of my regular clients (many ages and backgrounds) query any of it and I am pretty open with them what we share, just like microsoft have been
Do you really think microsoft employ a person to actually read all your emails daily and say oh look what noise747 did today, no of course they do not!

I can understand why if she was using Vista,

But we are not on about mainframes, we are on about a Os that is suppose to be ready for Joe public. it seems to be the norm these days to get software out before it is ready. I am not bothered about updates for bugs, the video software i use have been updated a few times over the last 12 months because of bugs. But it is not good when they launch software that is not complete unless it have the beta label on it
Saying all of that, the software on the handsets we use at work is still beta and have been for a good five years.

I do use Linux for most things, but I still need windows for videoing editing, when I get back into it again.


So why launch it when it is not complete? The only thing I can think of, was that Ms was worried about missing the launch day. If I was launching a new Os I would want to make sure it was ready, not worry about a launch date.
I used Windows 10 for a while and while I admit it did get better as time went on, a lot of it was on cosmetic and the underlying problems are still there. Software compatibility is a problem, getting some hardware to work as it should is also a pain.

Dual monitors was a bit iffy, I been told it still can be.

Is there any way to stop Windows Update (W8.1) attempting and failing to do a W10 upgrade every day? It started this all by itself at the beginning of August, despite the fact that I have not asked for W10 and am not planning to do so.

Too much sharing of data and do we really know what is shared? If your business does this client data sharing and make money from it then you are going to be for it. We are told it is all stats, but things can and do go wrong.
Just because MS is open do not mean it is right when they still go behind your back after you opted out of everything. Do you still share data if someone asked you not to?

No data should be shared anywhere unless you opt in, there should be a tick box on forms to say do you want your data shared, not tick if you do not want your data shared.
Here is one reason why sharing data need to be opt in and not opt out, yes I know it is a daily mail link and I do not normally link for the Mail, but still. His information was passed to charities after he filled out a survey and forgot to tick a box stating that he did not want his details shared.
i do not allow data sharing if I can help it, I even opted out of the Summary Care Record at my GP.

I have had Windows 10 now for a few weeks. AT first it seemed to be working fine, however, this last week, I have been getting the following issues:

1 - EVERY time I boot up my laptop (which came with Windows 7 initially), I get a pop up box stating something like, "System needs to be rebooted, please ensure all drivers are up to date" . Well ALL drivers are already up to date - I've been through ALL the drivers via Device Manager and manually done the "Check for Update" option, however I still get the pop up no matter how many reboots I do.

2 - I am now getting random, "Limited Connectivity" issues from the laptop (it connects via wifi to my D-Link 615 router). Its not a problem with the router as I have iPads, iPhones and iPods which all connect fine. The wifi just keeps dropping out, on the laptop. Again, the driver for the wifi card IS indeed the current one, as shown in the Device Manager when I follow the steps above. Is this an issue in Windows 10 because this NEVER happened on this laptop in Windows 7 (not even once!).

I think I posted this elsewhere:

Click Start, type cmd, right click and run as Administrator.

use the command REG.EXE ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx" /v DisableGwx /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

Done

No need for you to come onto W10 threads and constantly repeat yourself then.