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Old 01-09-2015, 20:08
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Ok, the make of the laptop is actually called Stone. Its not a Dell or HP but Stone.

I've looked in my Device Manager and the wifi network card is an Intel Centrino Wireless N2230. Also, when I clicked Properties of this whilst in Device Manage and then clicked on the Power Management tab, I noticed that the option to "Allow Computer to turn off this device to save power" was ticked Could the laptop be turning off the wifi card to save power and thus giving me the "Limited Connectivity" error message when the wifi drops out
It's certainly worth trying turning off the power management.

Also, go to the Intel website and try installing the driver update utility.
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Old 01-09-2015, 20:23
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It's certainly worth trying turning off the power management.

Also, go to the Intel website and try installing the driver update utility.
...thanks, just tried that - the utility doesn't actually find any out of date drivers (apart from a Wireless software driver for Bluetooth, which I don't use anyway!).

Looks like my wifi card does indeed already have the latest driver then.

Actually - scratch that!!! The utility reports that the current driver for the wireless bluetooth is 15.18.0.1 which is an out of date one(installed on the laptop) The properties for the wifi card also show the driver as 15.18.0.1 so perhaps, they are both the same thing!! I'll download the one from the utility and see what happens.

Also, my laptop has now been online via wifi for over an hour (the past 7 days, it kept dropping out randomly and certainly yesterday, it would drop out within 5 minutes of signing into Windows!).

I wonder if that Power Management thing has done the trick...?!!!
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Old 01-09-2015, 20:30
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If you thought the data slurping too much, Microsoft have played fair and teleported the slurping to 7 and 8 too.
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/foru...8_via_patches/
Interesting. Potentially worrying. Is it all legal?
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Old 01-09-2015, 22:47
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If you thought the data slurping too much, Microsoft have played fair and teleported the slurping to 7 and 8 too.
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/foru...8_via_patches/

I recall there was an 'optional' update prior to this expansion so maybe, like me you never opt in to things. Maybe that stops most of these happening.
The problem is a lot of these things you do not know about unless you read everything little thing. i never realised these updates did that,l well they are now gone and been hidden.
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Old 01-09-2015, 22:53
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I did not exactly say that, but still

Oh well, was just demonstrating where I feel it can do some good and still think microsoft have shown to be more open with their privacy options than many, whether they do not declare all or not, but they may have reasons for that and i care not
I will not comment any further as I've given my own thoughts that will not change and
my example and do not want to digress the thread too much
i think alanwarwic post above have proven how open MS is or not as the case may be.

I myself will go to sleep tonight thinking about the great day I have planned tomorrow for my employees and clients and not about a privacy tick box
i hop
e they realise just how much info they give to you.
Just had another notification that i have a music folder on onedrive, the windows 10 onedrive icon and folder shows a red x on the folder and looking on my onedrive on iPad and android, the music folder is there and empty (its never contained any files), its very odd how it works, think i will just stick with dropbox
I can't use one drive anyway, to do so you need to link windows with a MS account, something I will not do, even on windows 8.1

Dropbox is ok if you do not need much space,. i only got a couple of documents ion dropbox anyway.
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Old 01-09-2015, 22:59
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W10 was/is a complete 'Opt in'.............You didn't/don't have to download/use it......
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Old 01-09-2015, 23:39
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Ok, the make of the laptop is actually called Stone. Its not a Dell or HP but Stone.

I've looked in my Device Manager and the wifi network card is an Intel Centrino Wireless N2230. Also, when I clicked Properties of this whilst in Device Manage and then clicked on the Power Management tab, I noticed that the option to "Allow Computer to turn off this device to save power" was ticked Could the laptop be turning off the wifi card to save power and thus giving me the "Limited Connectivity" error message when the wifi drops out??

In addition, I have checked on the Stone website but there are currently no Windows 10 driver downloads whatsoever so thats not an option either.

Another weird thing : On the Stone website, it asked me to input the Serial number, which I read from the sticker on the bottom of the laptop, however, the website wouldn't acknowledge the number? I then opened a Command Prompt as an Admin and checked the Serial number there (by typing wmic bios get serialnumber), and a TOTALLY different number came up - which WAS recognized on the Stone website?!?! Now I'm even MORE confused!!!

I now in two minds whether to just roll back to Windows 7!! Incidenty, I have been typing this from the Stone laptop and the wifi hasn't dropped yet (since I uniticked the "save power" option) but that could just be coincidence......

I installed Windows 10 on the 1st August. If MS only give you 1 month to roll back, that means I have the end of today to decide?!?!

Thoughts....
I just don't know.
I have gone back on one machine and made an assumption that I will get the nags if i want to and just try again later. But that is my assumption.
Surely there will be a driver in the next 10 months.
So i would probably go back simply beacuse even momentary dropouts would annoy the hell out of me.

I you did stick (it's late) keep looking for a driver.

Just seen your later post. Fingers crossed.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:41
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Oh well, was just demonstrating where I feel it can do some good and still think microsoft have shown to be more open with their privacy options than many, whether they do not declare all or not, but they may have reasons for that and i care not
Some interesting examples in your last few posts, thanks for that insight.
Personal data sure is a major cash cow factor and customer app involvement in the IT world now.
See it growing and developing very fast in the IT consultancy Im involved with day to day.
Still see we are doing privacy to death in this thread, keep it up LOL.

Nice to see that Windows 10 has got off to a good start, according to data from NetApplications;
5.21 percent of all personal computer users (PC and Mac) were running Windows 10 in August 2015
Edge is being used by 2.03% of the browser market, so about 40% of all Windows 10 users.
Seeing as most W10 upgraders would have continued to use their previous preferred default browser, mostly Chrome and firefox, its not that bad really.
Also, of course, many will have made a choice not move to it as their main browser like Myself until they have addons like adblockers and password managers.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:32
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W10 was/is a complete 'Opt in'.............You didn't/don't have to download/use it......
The problem is most people have no idea what info is sent, sure some don't care, but other would be shocked if they knew.

Also, in a few months time, if you buy a new computer you will have little choice not to have Windows 10. Talking of which, I wonder if MS will allow people to downgrade back to 7 or 8.1 if they buy a 10 based machine? just like what happened with Vista and XP
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:16
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What information about you is actually sent , what is there for me to worry about?
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:25
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Never mind collecting the information. It's anonymised and ad related. they do it so they can offer you exactly the porn you like and such. Or a lawyer. But OneDrive has a really nice feature for tinfoil hat owners, fetch my files or something like that. You turn it on on your computer (it's off by default) and when you log on to onedrive.com in web browser from any machine, you can upload any file from any of your computers with this option turned on (even from network drives) to OneDrive. Possibilities to abuse this are endless
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:27
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Good tip I came across how to export 3rd party drivers from 8.1 before you upgrade.

http://woshub.com/how-to-export-driv...indows-8-1-u1/

Works in 10 (I think - yet to test), so assuming it works, I would recommend this is done after an upgrade, but before a clean install.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:37
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Good tip I came across how to export 3rd party drivers from 8.1 before you upgrade.

http://woshub.com/how-to-export-driv...indows-8-1-u1/

Works in 10 (I think - yet to test), so assuming it works, I would recommend this is done after an upgrade, but before a clean install.
That's very nice, worth bookmarking.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:44
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That's very nice, worth bookmarking.
First thing I did!
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:15
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What information about you is actually sent , what is there for me to worry about?
That is the problem, we don;''t know what information is being sent.

Never mind collecting the information. It's anonymised and ad related.
But why would I want adverts on a OS? i pay for the Os, no matter if it cam on a new computer, you still pay for it and yet you get adverts.
I know 10 is free, well money wise it is, but it is not really free is it?
they do it so they can offer you exactly the porn you like and such. Or a lawyer. But OneDrive has a really nice feature for tinfoil hat owners, fetch my files or something like that. You turn it on on your computer (it's off by default) and when you log on to onedrive.com in web browser from any machine, you can upload any file from any of your computers with this option turned on (even from network drives) to OneDrive. Possibilities to abuse this are endless
er? I did not understand a word of that.

I do not use one drive and it is not because as you say anything to do with tin foil hats, it is because
(a) I do not link my computer to Ms servers.
(b) I use drop box which is better and compatible on different operating systems
(c), umm, there is not really a C.

Tell I lie, i did use One drive when it was sky drive on Windows 7 for a while, but only to send videos up to a folder for a mate to grab hold of or sound files I done. I still use it for that reason, but I use the website now, not the app like I did with 7.
But there is now none of my files on one drive now.
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:16
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Good tip I came across how to export 3rd party drivers from 8.1 before you upgrade.

http://woshub.com/how-to-export-driv...indows-8-1-u1/

Works in 10 (I think - yet to test), so assuming it works, I would recommend this is done after an upgrade, but before a clean install.
i will bookmark that, great find,
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:20
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Good tip I came across how to export 3rd party drivers from 8.1 before you upgrade.

http://woshub.com/how-to-export-driv...indows-8-1-u1/

Works in 10 (I think - yet to test), so assuming it works, I would recommend this is done after an upgrade, but before a clean install.
Yes - it works on 10. takes a minute or so. Need to open powershell as admin.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:27
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@noise747 http://www.microsoft.com/privacystatement .

'Microsoft does not use what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos or other personal files to target ads to you'

It's all about targeted ads. An app developer may include ads in their free app to earn money. MS provides a service to make those ads more interesting for you.
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Old 02-09-2015, 13:51
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That is the problem, we don;''t know what information is being sent.



But why would I want adverts on a OS? i pay for the Os, no matter if it cam on a new computer, you still pay for it and yet you get adverts.
I know 10 is free, well money wise it is, but it is not really free is it?


er? I did not understand a word of that.

I do not use one drive and it is not because as you say anything to do with tin foil hats, it is because
(a) I do not link my computer to Ms servers.
(b) I use drop box which is better and compatible on different operating systems
(c), umm, there is not really a C.

Tell I lie, i did use One drive when it was sky drive on Windows 7 for a while, but only to send videos up to a folder for a mate to grab hold of or sound files I done. I still use it for that reason, but I use the website now, not the app like I did with 7.
But there is now none of my files on one drive now.
There are no adverts in the OS. Some apps may have adverts however but you are not compelled to use any of those apps and many offer an option of paying to get rid of ads. I think the Solitaire game collection is an example.

MS does not have any identifiable data on you, it's all collected to an anonymised advertising ID. You can turn off stuff being sent, the only stuff still being sent is basic telemetry which helps MS craft new updates etc.

OneDrive is quite cross-platform with apps for Windows, OS X, iOS and Android. It is also accessible via the web using standards-based technology in browsers. What's so special about Dropbox that you can trust them but not Microsoft?
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Old 02-09-2015, 14:22
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I thought that you could have OneDrive on a Local Account, but just had to sign-in.
When I Googled yesterday, I saw something that says you can't.

Today I happened to boot up my spare W10 Pro laptop and it is indeed on Local Account and OneDrive is working.

(It was previously linked)
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Old 02-09-2015, 22:16
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@noise747 http://www.microsoft.com/privacystatement .

'Microsoft does not use what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos or other personal files to target ads to you'
I understand that, but they do use them for Cortana and there will be many people who will not realise that.
It's all about targeted ads. An app developer may include ads in their free app to earn money. MS provides a service to make those ads more interesting for you.
But I do not use apps, certainly not in 8.1 and I did not in ten, and even if I did i would prefer them to chuck any old ad there than track me.
It is the same on the net with all these adversing networks, like all the ones that Digital spy uses, I use software to block the tracking, not the adverts, If the adverts get blocked at the same time then that is not my fault.

I tend to think that Windows is becoming more like a phone operating system, i have accepted that Apps on phones carry adverts, but I do not accept that on my computer, certainly since the software I use on my computer I have either paid for or is open source.
The Apps that MS supply should be easy to uninstall, but some you can't,
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Old 02-09-2015, 22:19
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I thought that you could have OneDrive on a Local Account, but just had to sign-in.
When I Googled yesterday, I saw something that says you can't.

Today I happened to boot up my spare W10 Pro laptop and it is indeed on Local Account and OneDrive is working.

(It was previously linked)
If you go into accounts, the account you linked with will still be there under other accounts if I remember rightly. you just got to get rid of that, then One drive will stop working.
the one drive folder was still in windows 10 even if you do not use it, there should be a way to get rid of it. Thankfully in windows 8.1, unless you use it, there is no sign of One drive.
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Old 02-09-2015, 22:20
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So stop dripping about W10, as you don't use it and go and bother a Linux thread somewhere.
You don't have anything to complain about and I'm sure others can look after themselves.
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Old 02-09-2015, 23:06
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So stop dripping about W10, as you don't use it and go and bother a Linux thread somewhere.
You don't have anything to complain about and I'm sure others can look after themselves.
I got nothing to moan about with Linux, it works as it should, reliable, fast, do not take a ton of ram up, do not need a fast CPU just to start up and more secure.
The only problem, is the lack of video editing software. Saying that KDNlive is getting better and I did edit a whole video this evening using it, ok it was only five mins long at the end of the edit, but it is a start.


Being serious now
Windows 10 as a Os is not that bad, once that awful start menu is replaced. I found it ran ok, started up quicker than Windows 8.1 even, took longer to shut down for some reason, saying that it was on a slower drive.
My main problem was the software I wanted to use not working as it should, again to be honest it was not the software, but one of the plug ins for some reason kept sticking on start up with Windows 10, I had to bring up the task manager, stop the task and try it again, sometimes it would work on the second go, other times it would take a couple more times to start.,

The UI could be better, it looks awful now, much flatter than windows 8 and the drab colours.
The side notification I was not impressed with, I do not need to be notified of stuff, I managed on windows 7. i do not like the way Windows have gone to be honest with the app system.

I may try 10 again at some point before the offer runs out, if I do i will wait until next year at least.


As for what I said about Linux above, i do like Linux and I really wish I could use it for everything, but I can't and I do have to rely on Windows for some things, but I have to decide, do I stay with windows 8, where it is set up as I want it, or as close as I can anyway or do I really want to muck around with ten?

I am considering setting up the old computer with Mint, keeping windows on here and getting a KVM switch, I can then do video editing and photo editing on here using Windows and use Linux for everything else and while I am doing my office stuff, browsing and facebook type stuff on the Linux based machine, this machine can be doing rendering.
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Old 03-09-2015, 03:24
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The problem is a lot of these things you do not know about unless you read everything little thing. i never realised these updates did that,l well they are now gone and been hidden.
Really? They were still there last time I looked on Windows Update earlier today. At least they're Optional updates (people wouldn't be so daft as to automatically install optional updates without first checking them out, would they?)

This compulsory updates business bothers me, I once had an Ethernet update via Windows Update that completely borked ethernet, the only way I could reconnect to the 'net was reinstalling the original driver off the mobo CD, and everytime I did WU would tell me there was a new driver available and try to overwrite the working one with a non-working one. I had to block the update in the end. If it was Win 10 I'd be in trouble, I think I read somewhere there was an ability to block or withhold driver updates, or is that wishful thinking?

As for what I said about Linux above, i do like Linux and I really wish I could use it for everything, but I can't and I do have to rely on Windows for some things, but I have to decide, do I stay with windows 8, where it is set up as I want it, or as close as I can anyway or do I really want to muck around with ten?

I am considering setting up the old computer with Mint, keeping windows on here and getting a KVM switch, I can then do video editing and photo editing on here using Windows and use Linux for everything else and while I am doing my office stuff, browsing and facebook type stuff on the Linux based machine, this machine can be doing rendering.
I've tried various flavours of Linux: OpenSUSE, RedHat, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint but none of them are ready for the big time, the Desktop UI feels like its bolted on to an underlying DOS-like environment, sort of like Win 95 or 98, and the amount of times I had to dive into the Konsole just to do the simplest of things was ridiculous. Not to mention the difficulty of installing software that wasn't part of a Repo (no equivalent of the Window PE). Linux looks and feels like it was assembled in someone's back backroom, which it probably was. The nail in the coffin though was when I swapped graphics cards over something didn't like it and I simply couldn't boot into Desktop at all, only the Command Line was available. Like being back in DOS and nothing apparently could fix it. I gave up at that point.
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