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Old 17-07-2015, 12:12
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I thought the forced updates was only going to be with the home version.
Think the only way they would let you choose the updates on the home version is to join the insider programme, As they get updates sooner which may not work. So they have settings to stop or slow it down.
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Old 17-07-2015, 13:13
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Defer updates, but not have the same settings as Windows 8 and anything before it that allows you to check updates but not download or install them or not check at all. I always like to have control over updates.
It could change with the final version and I thought it was only the home version that would force updates.
No idea about the exact settings but the policy appears to be that with Win 10 Pro you can defer updates for up to 8 months. After that time if you don't update you won't be able to get any security fixes. I assume at that point you will have to accept all of the updates from the previous 8 months in order to get any updates after this.

See The 'when' of Windows 10: Microsoft's update and upgrade schedule explained. If TL;DR see graphic at bottom of first page.
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Old 17-07-2015, 13:18
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I thought service packs were things of the past now.

Will probably upgrade to 10 just before the upgrade deadline runs out - assuming most reviews are favourable. By then the worst of the bugs and security vulnerabilities should have been ironed out.
You don't have to wait that long. See here.

See graphic at bottom of p1. So you could wait for Current Branch 2 to be released (expected by year end). You could interpret that as a service pack.
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Old 17-07-2015, 13:21
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Think the only way they would let you choose the updates on the home version is to join the insider programme, As they get updates sooner which may not work. So they have settings to stop or slow it down.
MS have too much control, as bad as Google when they want to update my phone and tablet. I have and I know other people who have had problems with MS updates over the years, I can not see it getting better.
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Old 17-07-2015, 13:23
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No idea about the exact settings but the policy appears to be that with Win 10 Pro you can defer updates for up to 8 months. After that time if you don't update you won't be able to get any security fixes. I assume at that point you will have to accept all of the updates from the previous 8 months in order to get any updates after this.

See The 'when' of Windows 10: Microsoft's update and upgrade schedule explained. If TL;DR see graphic at bottom of first page.
It is the lack of security software not working on Windows 10 that I am also worried about, you would have thought at this time in the game more security products would be available.
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Old 17-07-2015, 13:45
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MS have too much control, as bad as Google when they want to update my phone and tablet. I have and I know other people who have had problems with MS updates over the years, I can not see it getting better.
You'll have to move to (desktop) Linux mate. No other solution.
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Old 17-07-2015, 13:47
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It is the lack of security software not working on Windows 10 that I am also worried about, you would have thought at this time in the game more security products would be available.
I'm sure they will appear fairly shortly after release. If you want Windows 10 you can always wait for a few months or up to a year. Security products will surely be available before then!
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Old 17-07-2015, 14:20
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You'll have to move to (desktop) Linux mate. No other solution.
Linux has updates too. I have a DB server and a NAS which get updates at least once a month.

noise747 always needs something to complain about.
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:02
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Security updates are fine. It is the bloatware that cripples the PC that will be the long term problem.

Plus, the agreement seems to allow for future banning of non app store stuff.
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:07
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It is the lack of security software not working on Windows 10 that I am also worried about, you would have thought at this time in the game more security products would be available.
Everything I had on W8.1 is working in W10....
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:35
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I have decided to defer upgrading to Win 10. I do not want forced updates maybe at inconvenient times.
I have seen an article that despite the option to control updates being blanked you can still regain control via the Group Policy Editor.

http://www.markspcsolution.com/2014/...indows-10.html

Will this still work?
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:35
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You'll have to move to (desktop) Linux mate. No other solution.
I already have, this Pc is dual boot, Mint and Windows 8, Ok if you count Windows 10 it is treble boot, but to use Windows 10 I have to press F11 on start up and select the drive to boot from.
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:36
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I'm sure they will appear fairly shortly after release. If you want Windows 10 you can always wait for a few months or up to a year. Security products will surely be available before then!
Not that bothered, Windows 8.1 does what I want, as long as I can run the little bit software I need.
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:37
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Linux has updates too. I have a DB server and a NAS which get updates at least once a month.

noise747 always needs something to complain about.
But at least with Linux you can choose what updates to download and install, just like you can with Windows, well up to ten anyway.
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:40
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Everything I had on W8.1 is working in W10....
Glad it is all hunky dory for you. Vegas have problems starting up now and again, commodo do not like 10 at all.
My Scanner also have the odd problem, thankfully HP have updated the driver again and it seems better, but not perfect.
And i hate that awful menu that Windows 10 have.
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:56
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07...prise_edition/

So, as well as the 'no going back' there is an enforced 'ever forwards', even if it feels like a downward spiral for the user.
They quote from the insider preview program and the user agreement for that. Any evidence this is going to be the same for the final release? I can well understand why they want people on the insider testing program to have all the updates.
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Old 17-07-2015, 15:58
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Of course, everyone has different PC settings and content, but, I've had no problems ( so far) on my 5 year old Sony Vaio laptop.
There's no rush to download it, you have up to a year to wait and see if it's panning out generally.
As another poster commented, it would be useful to have the disc. I bought my pc brand new and it came with 8 installed. A few month later something went wrong (can't remember now exactly what) and when i called Dell Tech support for help, he couldn't figure why i'd got no installation disc for 8. He sent me one out pronto but said that should have been with the pc when i bought it which was still under warranty anyway.
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Old 17-07-2015, 16:59
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My Scanner also have the odd problem, thankfully HP have updated the driver again and it seems better, but not perfect.
If the scanner's a USB one you could probably attach it to a Raspberry Pi and turn it into a network scanner.

I recently did this with a multi-function printer and it works perfectly.

Linux clients don't need to do any configuration to use the printer, just open the printer preferences and the printer should appear and be immediately usable. Accessing the scanner just requires adding the Rpi's IP address or hostname into SANE's net.conf file.

Windows has native client support for IPP for the printer, although it's not as easy to setup as Linux or Mac. One nice benefit is that you don't need exact drivers for your printer (useful if your manufacturer hasn't updated them for your new OS). So long as CUPS on Linux has drivers for the printer when you add the printer to Windows you can use a generic Postscript driver (like MS Publisher Imagesetter) and the RPi will handle everything for you.

For accessing the scanner under Windows you can install WiaSane.

Accessing the network printer under OS X is almost as easy as Linux. Just open the Printer Preferences, click the + and the printer will appear in the dialogue where you can add it. Again the RPi will handle all the work.

Unfortunately i couldn't get network scanning working under OS X due to the way Apple's set up their system. It's my hope someone in the opensource community will eventually create an AirScan frontend for SANE so it will be just as easy as printers shared by CUPS.

CUPS also emulates an AirPrint printer, so any iOS devices on the network will also be able to print to it.

And i hate that awful menu that Windows 10 have.
It's better than the current Windows 8.1 situation, but only slightly. I had hoped they would take a leaf out of the past 15 years of Linux desktops and have a start menu which enforced proper categorisation instead of just dumping everything into "Programs".
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Old 17-07-2015, 17:04
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This has made my mind up. I'll be wasiting 11 months to see what they have imposed on the user by then. That way I'll get a better feel of the no going back risk updating from W8.

Of course, any later no going back W10 crippleware could make my end decision wrong a year or so later.
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Old 17-07-2015, 17:30
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Hilarious......The Start menu gripes are beginning again.
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Old 17-07-2015, 17:31
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It's better than the current Windows 8.1 situation, but only slightly. I had hoped they would take a leaf out of the past 15 years of Linux desktops and have a start menu which enforced proper categorisation instead of just dumping everything into "Programs".
In what way is it 'better'?

As for the start menu etc i'm on 8.1 but installed Classic Shell which gives me the XP style. Perfectly happy with that as i used XP for 10 years. Obviously the pc i now have is light years different to the one i ran XP on though.
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Old 17-07-2015, 17:39
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In what way is it 'better'?

As for the start menu etc i'm on 8.1 but installed Classic Shell which gives me the XP style. Perfectly happy with that as i used XP for 10 years. Obviously the pc i now have is light years different to the one i ran XP on though.
I hated Metro on my PC and installed Classic Shell, but on a tablet Windows 8 and Metro work great. Microsofts mistake was trying to force that UI onto PC users.
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Old 17-07-2015, 20:03
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Security updates are fine. It is the bloatware that cripples the PC that will be the long term problem.

Plus, the agreement seems to allow for future banning of non app store stuff.
Isn't the bloatware usually put on there by the manufacturers though? My dad's Samsung laptops were full of all sorts of crap that I had to remove. There were various trials of MS Office, Norton Antivirus, McAfee Antivirus (which I removed after watching the how to uninstall video ) What agreement is that? If banning non app store stuff becomes part of Windows then it is no longer worth using.
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Old 17-07-2015, 20:50
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Microsoft Offce is one of the biggest pieces of bloatware around.

And not everyone wants Skype.
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Old 17-07-2015, 21:25
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I stopped using Outlook 2003 when I couldn't get it working with W7 (although I got the rest of Office 2003 to behave)
I've since been OK with Word/Excel/Powerpoint 2013, but didn't try any recent Outlooks


I've just taken up Microsoft's kind offer to be an Insider for Office 2016 for the next 140 days.
Yikes! Starship Enterprise on Steroids.

I think Outlook needs to check into the Betty Ford Clinic
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