thats the one - clive - thanks big_gav2
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Doctor Who - 9TH April
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Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Absolutely!
The credits says he's the Doctor, so he's the Doctor.”
“Absolutely!
The credits says he's the Doctor, so he's the Doctor.”
All the speculation about whether he's the doctor or not is very interesting but to bring it down to a boring level they wouldn't be marketing Doctor dolls of CE if he was destined to turn out not to be the Doctor.
Originally Posted by big_gav2:
“It's a pity that Clive from episode one got killed off, I'd have liked to have seen more of him, he could have been the Doctor Who equivalent of the three lone gunmen (i think) characters from the X Files. Could have made for some quite good comic relief throughouth the series, and could also have helped a bit with revealing bits of the story arc.”
“It's a pity that Clive from episode one got killed off, I'd have liked to have seen more of him, he could have been the Doctor Who equivalent of the three lone gunmen (i think) characters from the X Files. Could have made for some quite good comic relief throughouth the series, and could also have helped a bit with revealing bits of the story arc.”
Sorry...brand new episodes only!
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I don't know about face-saving, but I read somewhere that when Russell T Davies was aware that Chris was leaving, he "apparently" rewrote certain bits.
"Apparently", everything was filmed, and the stories more or less intact, but a few changes here and there were ready to be put into place should Chris decide not to do a second series...”
“I don't know about face-saving, but I read somewhere that when Russell T Davies was aware that Chris was leaving, he "apparently" rewrote certain bits.
"Apparently", everything was filmed, and the stories more or less intact, but a few changes here and there were ready to be put into place should Chris decide not to do a second series...”
As far as I can make out:
1. CE signs for one definite series only.
2. The BBC will not commit to a second until they see the reaction from the viewers.
3. RTD takes the worst case scenario: it only lasts for one series. He therefore writes the final episode with the Doctor on the verge of a regeneration.
4. The series is a success and the BBC commits to a second series and a Christmas special.
5. Having been given the go-ahead, RTD now tinkers with the series ending to allow for a definite regeneration in the hope that this will be a big surprise for the viewers, and begins the casting process for a new Doctor.
6. The BBC, in an act of ultimate crassness (IMHO), make news of the second series public far too soon and inadvertantly reveal CE's intention not to continue, thereby spoiling the series' ending.
7. Unless of course...?!
Originally Posted by Nonentity:
“As far as I can make out:
1. CE signs for one definite series only.
2. The BBC will not commit to a second until they see the reaction from the viewers.
3. RTD takes the worst case scenario: it only lasts for one series. He therefore writes the final episode with the Doctor on the verge of a regeneration.
4. The series is a success and the BBC commits to a second series and a Christmas special.
5. Having been given the go-ahead, RTD now tinkers with the series ending to allow for a definite regeneration in the hope that this will be a big surprise for the viewers, and begins the casting process for a new Doctor.
6. The BBC, in an act of ultimate crassness (IMHO), make news of the second series public far too soon and inadvertantly reveal CE's intention not to continue, thereby spoiling the series' ending.”
“As far as I can make out:
1. CE signs for one definite series only.
2. The BBC will not commit to a second until they see the reaction from the viewers.
3. RTD takes the worst case scenario: it only lasts for one series. He therefore writes the final episode with the Doctor on the verge of a regeneration.
4. The series is a success and the BBC commits to a second series and a Christmas special.
5. Having been given the go-ahead, RTD now tinkers with the series ending to allow for a definite regeneration in the hope that this will be a big surprise for the viewers, and begins the casting process for a new Doctor.
6. The BBC, in an act of ultimate crassness (IMHO), make news of the second series public far too soon and inadvertantly reveal CE's intention not to continue, thereby spoiling the series' ending.”
Pretty much sums up what I've been saying all along. Thankyou.
Has anyone noticed that the writing on the Tardis seems to have been scrawled by the same person that wrote "queers" on the side of the car in "Queer as Folk". As the only person that seems AFAIK to have been in both locations RTD might have a little explaining to do.... ;o)
Originally Posted by fluke:
“Has anyone noticed that the writing on the Tardis seems to have been scrawled by the same person that wrote "queers" on the side of the car in "Queer as Folk". As the only person that seems AFAIK to have been in both locations RTD might have a little explaining to do.... ;o)”
“Has anyone noticed that the writing on the Tardis seems to have been scrawled by the same person that wrote "queers" on the side of the car in "Queer as Folk". As the only person that seems AFAIK to have been in both locations RTD might have a little explaining to do.... ;o)”
Yes.
And it sounds like a 'fluke' to me!
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“He was much worse in the original 'promo' episode that got leaked. At least they gave him more scenes in the 'final' release of the premiere, which showed him in a bit more of a favourable light.”
“He was much worse in the original 'promo' episode that got leaked. At least they gave him more scenes in the 'final' release of the premiere, which showed him in a bit more of a favourable light.”
I thought the leaked episode was exactly the same as the transmitted one (apart from the title music)
Originally Posted by hunchbackdave:
“quote
Sorry...brand new episodes only!
what that mean?”
“quote
Sorry...brand new episodes only!
what that mean?”
They guy who plays Clive is the same bloke in the adverts for some mortgage company (strangely i can't remember which one!) where he insists that everything including pens and pencils are for "Brand new customers only!"
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“I thought the leaked episode was exactly the same as the transmitted one (apart from the title music)”
“I thought the leaked episode was exactly the same as the transmitted one (apart from the title music)”
The leaked version I got had Rose's boyfriend in it a lot less - I really couldn't understand where he was coming from and it made him look instantly like a terrible actor. He had very few scenes and his acting looked appalling. The one that went out gave him a few more scenes and he came across a bit better.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“The leaked version I got had Rose's boyfriend in it a lot less - I really couldn't understand where he was coming from and it made him look instantly like a terrible actor. He had very few scenes and his acting looked appalling. The one that went out gave him a couple more scenes and he came across a bit better.”
“The leaked version I got had Rose's boyfriend in it a lot less - I really couldn't understand where he was coming from and it made him look instantly like a terrible actor. He had very few scenes and his acting looked appalling. The one that went out gave him a couple more scenes and he came across a bit better.”
Can you remember which extra scenes he had? I'm sure the version I had was exactly the same.
Watched it tonight on BBC3 again - Saturday night are A & D nights when i'm babysitting. Another good episode, definately gets better each week IMO. Couldn't figure out who was playing Dickens till i saw the credits, and realised it was the brilliant Simon Callow 
Looking forward to next week's episode...
Looking forward to next week's episode...
I was leaning a little towards "The Doctor is not the Doctor" theory as well but I think it might alienate too many viewers, even if it enables the Doctor not to have to use up a regeneration. I know some people suggested that this could be the Master as a future incarnation of the Doctor but we already had the Valeyard as a future incarnation of the Doctor - would be too much of a re-hash.
I'm instead thinking that the season does indeed have a cliff-hanger and that they could have gone either way with it. It's obviously going to involve the Daleks and, I assume, the Time Wars as a result. I'm imagining Gallifrey being saved at the cost of the Doctor's life (which is a nice nod to the novels where the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey). I reckon though they'll try and fudge their way out of using a regeneration when they do the changeover although I can't see how it'll be accomplished yet.
As to the big bad wolf - could it be something like Fenrir/Fenric? After all Fenric was involved in time manipulation and based on Fenrir, the old bad wolf of Norse legend who threatened to destroy the world.
I'm instead thinking that the season does indeed have a cliff-hanger and that they could have gone either way with it. It's obviously going to involve the Daleks and, I assume, the Time Wars as a result. I'm imagining Gallifrey being saved at the cost of the Doctor's life (which is a nice nod to the novels where the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey). I reckon though they'll try and fudge their way out of using a regeneration when they do the changeover although I can't see how it'll be accomplished yet.
As to the big bad wolf - could it be something like Fenrir/Fenric? After all Fenric was involved in time manipulation and based on Fenrir, the old bad wolf of Norse legend who threatened to destroy the world.
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“Can you remember which extra scenes he had? I'm sure the version I had was exactly the same.”
“Can you remember which extra scenes he had? I'm sure the version I had was exactly the same.”
In the version I got, he didn't make a fuss of Rose after she might have been blown up in the department store explosion - he wasn't even in it.
And the scene between the Doctor and Rose walking along the path outside the flats towards the Tardis was a hell of a lot shorter. It still had some explanation going on between the two, but a lot less.
Makes me think there is a hell of a lot of editing going on behind the scenes.
Questions:
1. Has there every been a female Time-lord? Are there such things or is the Doctor A-sexual?
2. How do they procreate? I mean if they only have a certain number of regenerations, they still need(ed) to be "born" in the first place?
3. Is Rose going to be "impregnated" with the first Human/Time-lord offspring to keep the time-lords going?
That should keep the thread going for a few more pages.
1. Has there every been a female Time-lord? Are there such things or is the Doctor A-sexual?
2. How do they procreate? I mean if they only have a certain number of regenerations, they still need(ed) to be "born" in the first place?
3. Is Rose going to be "impregnated" with the first Human/Time-lord offspring to keep the time-lords going?
That should keep the thread going for a few more pages.
Originally Posted by Bigus_Dikus:
“Questions:
1. Has there every been a female Time-lord? Are there such things or is the Doctor A-sexual?
2. How do they procreate? I mean if they only have a certain number of regenerations, they still need(ed) to be "born" in the first place?
3. Is Rose going to be "impregnated" with the first Human/Time-lord offspring to keep the time-lords going?
That should keep the thread going for a few more pages.”
“Questions:
1. Has there every been a female Time-lord? Are there such things or is the Doctor A-sexual?
2. How do they procreate? I mean if they only have a certain number of regenerations, they still need(ed) to be "born" in the first place?
3. Is Rose going to be "impregnated" with the first Human/Time-lord offspring to keep the time-lords going?
That should keep the thread going for a few more pages.
”
1. Yes - the most obvious one being Romana.(asexual means being above sex or not interested).
2. Was not really explained or detailed in the original series.
3. Who knows?.... but this is supposed to be a love story...
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“Can you remember which extra scenes he had? I'm sure the version I had was exactly the same.”
“Can you remember which extra scenes he had? I'm sure the version I had was exactly the same.”
There might have been two leaked versions since some people swear there were differences. The version I got was exactly the same (apart from the title music). I was sad enough to watch them side by side (exactly synced) and they were a perfect match.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“In the version I got, he didn't make a fuss of Rose after she might have been blown up in the department store explosion - he wasn't even in it.
And the scene between the Doctor and Rose walking along the path outside the flats towards the Tardis was a hell of a lot shorter. It still had some explanation going on between the two, but a lot less.”
“In the version I got, he didn't make a fuss of Rose after she might have been blown up in the department store explosion - he wasn't even in it.
And the scene between the Doctor and Rose walking along the path outside the flats towards the Tardis was a hell of a lot shorter. It still had some explanation going on between the two, but a lot less.”
Bizarre! Both those scenes were as broadcast in the version I, ahem, acquired. SO did you not have the scene of Mickey throwing the arm in the bin either since that followed on from making a fuss about her?
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“Bizarre! Both those scenes were as broadcast in the version I, ahem, acquired. SO did you not have the scene of Mickey throwing the arm in the bin either since that followed on from making a fuss about her?”
“Bizarre! Both those scenes were as broadcast in the version I, ahem, acquired. SO did you not have the scene of Mickey throwing the arm in the bin either since that followed on from making a fuss about her?”
In my version, the Doctor threw the arm in the bin. He and Rose left the flat together.
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“I thought the leaked episode was exactly the same as the transmitted one (apart from the title music)”
“I thought the leaked episode was exactly the same as the transmitted one (apart from the title music)”
I haven't seen it myself but I'm told by someone who has that a lot of the editing was tidied up and a little more polished in the episode that was aired and that some of it impinged on the storyliine...not quite sure how...
Time Lords are created in Looms - not jiggery pokery as we do, I seem to remember from the novels.....
Reminds me of an old joke though:
"My mother made me a homosexual" says one lad to another, to which he responds, "if I gave her the wool would she make me one too?" Ha ha
H :sleep:
Reminds me of an old joke though:
"My mother made me a homosexual" says one lad to another, to which he responds, "if I gave her the wool would she make me one too?" Ha ha
H :sleep:
In the version i saw on t'net when rose FIRST entered the tardis
they showed the interior of it and THEN she went back out
On the show on the bbc they showed her going through the doors
and then looking in awe and rushing out again
without showing the tardis interior.
they showed the interior of it and THEN she went back out
On the show on the bbc they showed her going through the doors
and then looking in awe and rushing out again
without showing the tardis interior.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“...(asexual means being above sex or not interested).
”
“...(asexual means being above sex or not interested).
”
Actually that seems like quite a good description of Romana!
Last edited by fluke : 10-04-2005 at 23:29
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