As much as my twisted litle brain would like to see the Master-as-Doctor scenario played out from ep 1, I don't think it would be practical from a reboot point of view. Apart from that, the Master would not be able to keep up the deception for that long.

We seem to be settling into a fairly cohesive conspiracy theory here.

Do you remember the post number? No, don't worry about it. This thread has gotten long!

I spent the entire afternoon reading everyone's posts and using them to challenge my own thoughts. The number one criteria for me was that the new series has to pay heed to the new viewers - too complicated and bogged down in canon (stuff we take for granted, but things the new audience don't even know about), and they switch off.

That said, the lore/canon/history of Doctor Who cannot be dispensed with completely, so we have 'nods' etc.

As far as the new audience is concerned, they know nothing about regeneration, the Daleks, the Master, Gallifrey etc - so far. All of this is yet to be introduced to them. They've only just had the Doctor introduced to them.

Thankfully, for those of us who are old fans and followers, there is a story arc and a mystery to solve, revealed piecemeal on a weekly basis. Coupled with some excellent acting, scripts and special effects - it's unmissable tv.

Well, I hope that is the case. I think a lot of new viewers would feel alienated and somewhat peeved if it were revealed in the final episode that they hadn't spent the last 13 weeks watching the doctor afterall, just someone impersonating him.

Going back to the Bad Wolf thing, if the TARDIS is indeed the Bad Wolf then I wonder how it came to be known as such.
In the next episode we see Bad Wolf being sprayed onto the TARDIS by some kid.

Could it be that Bad Wolf is just this kids graffiti 'tag', and that then becomes associated with the doctor / TARDIS?
So, in the year 5 billion we have a blue alien called the Moxx mentioning a 'bad wolf scenario', all because in the year 2005 some kid decided to spray a police box with his tag.

Vic

This set off a giant 'ding' in my brain and suddenly it all made sense.

..Nice bit of thinking, it will be interesting to see if the tag remains in episode 5.

Excellent! Perfect thing to do!

We know it doesn't because the paints falls off the side when it takes off, or so I've read.

I wish I hadn't wiped ep1 from the sky+. The more I think about it the more relevant episode one makes sence when the "nasty" sees the TARDIS and the doctor then launches into a defence of his role in the time war. (I think alrightmate said this earlier on) (time for a download I think)

So everyone thinks that the person the Doctor thought was dead is the Master, huh? Anyone considered that we could be about to get a bit of Davros action? *JOY*

Didn't Eric Roberts play the Master in the film?

I hope not - as I have said before The Daleks lost all their ruthlessness when Davros was in the stories as they became second fiddle.

But it could be.

Great thread by the way!!

Although, the Master does have a track record of working with the Daleks - wasn't there a Pertwee story of a Space War with the Daleks and the Master, with the Ogrons as the Daleks' hitmen? They were cool, all feral and orc like, kinda like... really angry wolves...

Right I've been reading through everyones innput this afternoon and conceed both my Master as Dr theory is shaky and the Adric one is way off the mark

I *do* stand by the teleportation ban as the victors efort to stop the Dr changing the outcome of the war.

Did I miss hear the bit where he checks himself in Roses flat ? It certainly suggested regeneration to me any ideas ?

I have to say DenWatts certainly gives some convincing argumnets and realistic scenarios.

And PLEASE not Davros

The Master was the evil genius in Frontier in Space. He was collaberating with the Ogrons, who were the servants of the Daleks. The story segued into Planet of the Daleks.

His involvement with the Galactic Pepperpots was never resolved (unless someone did a novel about it).


However...

I read on Gallifrey One that RTD has (apparently ) stated that he was putting together two elements of DW lore that had not been seen before. So perhaps we are not in for a Master/Dalek reunion.

On the other hand...

You're welcome

You have posted suggestions that I am leaning towards too.
I think it's a matter of casting the net and thinking of all possibilities, then it's a matter of the process of elimination.

I've been in Doctor Who geek mode today and gone through the 3 episodes on video. I've just logged on now.

Anyway, I think I might have worked out exactly what "Bad Wolf" is.
Yes I'm pretty sure it's the Tardis, but now I think I know why.

Come on, then! You can't just leave it there like some cliffhanger from 1974!

Not sure if it's been posted before (it's a long thread!), but perhaps the TARDIS is really the Master's one. Made to look like the Docs, but still under the Master's control. Hence it can sometimes work perfectly (end of the world) or miss by a few years (the last ep.).
He's hiding inside in one of the other console rooms.

I see the debate has been raging on whilst I was out and about. Going with the theory that the TARDIS is indeed the big bad wolf and that RTD hasn't dismissed events of the 1996 TVM then couldn't The Master (last seen dispatched inside the TARDIS) be influencing things/events from within?

Just a thought to throw into what is an excellent mix of ideas...

Hello all. I visit these forums virtually every day but as you can tell, I rarely make a post. However, because of this thread I wanted to just say 'thanks' to you all.

I never liked Dr Who when I was younger (was a bit scared of the theme tune so never really made it through to the actual programme), and as I got older I saw it as the domian of the geeky science nerds. I expected not to like this new series and was anticipating it being a failure with the die-hard fans, but from episode one I have slowly been drawn into a new world.

The clincher, though, has been reading this thread, which is full of references to people, places and events that make no sense to me and are going way over my head, yet I feel as excited as all of you about the possibility of these underlying 'Bad Wolf' themes. I have to admit that all of the clues passed me by when I watched the programmes, but the enthusiasm with which they've been described, analysed and seized upon in this thread are making me feel a part of something here even though I've not actually participated! I'm reading your posts and mentally going 'Ohhh', 'Ahh', 'Um, it's a possibility', 'Oh, I see', 'No, never?!' or 'YES!'. So, a big 'thank you' to all of you for helping to increase the interest and sense of anticipation in a new-and-slightly-confused fan.

I only joined recently and have been caught up with the endless debates and discussions on here and I have to say they are a great bunch. Even when people disagree or see things from a different perspective, everyone treats the others with respect and at least hears them out rather than screaming them down or getting all high and mighty. Join in....

I wish the internet had been around in the 80s as it is today. Instead it was mostly discussions in the playground at school, and occasionally on Points of View and Open Air, and of course for the fanatics, there were conventions. But shows like this generate allsorts of opinions and its good to see how it it received.

And the Fitzroy Tavern!

The Doctor: "I'm here to help, I'm not your enemy I swear I'm not"
"What do you mean?"

(The Nestene conciousness reveals the Tardis to The Doctor)

The Doctor: "No, no, Oh no no, honestly no....Yes that's my ship"

(That reply is at the point where The Nestene Consciousness starts to get panicky. The Nestene Consciousness mouths a sound that appears to be "Bad Wolf".....The Doctor spins around and looks directly at The Tardis)

The Doctor: "That's not true, I should know, I was there. I fought in the war, It wasn't my fault. I couldn't save your world, I couldn't save any of them"

Rose: "What's it doing?"

Doctor: "The Tardis. The Nestene's identified it as superior technology, it's terrified, it's going into the final phase, it's starting the invasion....get out"

I'm not your enemy.
I was there.
It wasn't my fault.
Yes, that's my ship.

The way that the Doctor is talking here suggests that it is possible that an imposter was taking his place in the events he is talking about. He could be completely oblivious to an imposter taking his place, or using his Tardis, or setting him up by using a replica Tardis.
He is maintaining his own innocence, but according to the Nestene, they still point the finger of guilt at The Doctor.
The Master is one who is capable of taking his place and setting The Doctor up.

It appears that in the future, all the aliens seem to know what Bad Wolf means. And that would most likely include the Doctor. His reaction to The Nestene mentioning "Bad Wolf" made The Doctor react and look at the Tardis.

But the Doctor at this point in time may well not know where the term "Bad Wolf" originated from. Because it appears by the trailer that he may not find out until the story next week.
He may think it's a generic term for general Time Travelling transporters, and/or superior technology in general.
He might not realise that it could relate directly to his Tardis specifically.
The Doctor might just think the term relates to Time Travelling transporters generally.

But the Nestene looks like it might think of the term "Bad Wolf" as being very specific to a Tardis that looks like a police box. Possibly this particular Tardis.

Next week we see "Bad Wolf" spray painted on the Tardis. This is possibly a key point in the story.
It's where it may dawn on the Doctor that the term "Bad Wolf" originated from his own Tardis.

I think there's two options that I lean towrds here.
Either that somebody is an imposter who is impersonating the Doctor and his Tardis....(The Master for example).
Or the Doctor is seperated from his Tardis at some point, and someone is controlling the Tardis remotely.
Or maybe the Tardis is operating of it's own accord.

Whichever option of those three that you fancy, the Doctor, from his dialogue with The Nestene above, maintains that he was in a different place, so wasn't responsible for what happened.
The Nestene on the other hand, don't trust him, and believe that this particular Tardis was responsible for whatever happened.

LOL

I am. Give me a minute.

I think it's right, because it's so simple and works.

Oh, I do join in from time to time, but as I spend most of my working day constantly interacting with people, I see my surfing of the Digital Spy site as my chance to sit back and let others entertain me!

So, who is the Master, what's he the master of, and is he superior to the Doctor or on a similar level ability-wise?