This thread, with all it's warps and weaves, is devolping into quite a pip and a dandy. So, Big Bad Wolf is the TARDIS...possibly. The Master takes on the CE appearance, and causes all sorts of havoc and chaos, wouldn't be the first time. Whatever is happening, this series is becoming compulsive viewing, and there is without doubt a large umbrella story covering the whole series...I am loving it. On the subject of conspirecy, I just realised that the BBC One "countdown to the new series" documentary was narrated by young Mr David Tennant... the BBC's chosen one!
Doctor Who 2005... God Bless you Mr RTD.

The master is/was "just" another time lord (like the doctor). He was a bit of a bad apple and was forever trying to take over planets and things. The last time we met him he had used up all of his regenerations and died, so that should have been the end of him.

He called himself "the Master" because Matthew doesn't sound as threatening

it has been speculated (for years and years) that the master is "related" to the doctor in someway, but no evidence in the the old or new series supports this.

If the doctor is the last of his race (episode two) then the master should be dead (or erased from history)


I was going to make some comment about them not being superheroes but I THINK the master does/did use hypnosis.

He should be dead but The Master has surprised us all by his reappearances...we saw him perish in Planet of Fire only to see him again in The Mark of the Rani with no explanation at all.

The Master did make sure he was removed from The Matrix many years ago...though I could be wrong on the latter. Anyone know for sure?

Personally, I think you're all completely bonkers! Loving it....Carry on...

Us bonkers? Never!

All fun though.....

No, I don't think he did use the IPod and Britney Spears jokes for nothing.

Of course he's using material that will appeal to newcomers, but I believe a lot of this fun material is spawned from the overall structure of the story arc that holds it all together.

For example, did anybody else find it odd that the IPod joke with a jukebox was sort of shoved in there?, and that all of a sudden the Britney joke was shoehorned in as well?
Although it still worked, I beleived it served a dual purpose.

This is what I think this "Bad Wolf" term is all about.

Basically I think it means nothing.....Nothing whatsoever.

It's just the TAG of a graffiti artist.
It's exactly the sort of name that a graffiti artist would use in a gang or something.

I know that people have mentioned that the Daleks have the capability of Time travel,.....but I feel that maybe it might have been missed that The Nestene Consciousness does too.
In episode 1, The Doctor tells Rose that The Nestene got to earth using Warp Shunt technology.
I'm not entirely sure, but isn't that technology that would enable time travel?

For some reason I got it in my head that this Time War is a war set in the future.
And that the Nestene Consciousness, and the Doctor, and The Gelf,...have all come back in time to sort problems out.
In the future the Nestene Consciousness and The Gelf have been casualties of the war.

Now think back to the IPod and Britney jokes.
I think they've been used not only for fun, but to introduce a very simple concept to viewers.
That over time, history has a way of polluting the memory of reality, and distorting the original meaning.

I think next week is when the viewer is sent flying headlong into the heart of the main story.

"Bad Wolf" could well be just originally some random graffiti that some chav has spray painted onto the Tardis for a laugh. "Bad Wolf" is probably just his TAG.

But over time. Maybe thousands of years in the future, "Bad Wolf" takes on a meaning of it's own after it has been passed down the generations.
It becomes associated with the Tardis, and represents the terrible consequences whenever it appears in history.

There's so many everday terms that we use in real life today that we take for granted, but if you trace the meanings back through history they mean something much more literal, but their present day meanings are applied to mean something different and have been somewhat distorted over time.
I think the writers thought this was a good idea to play around with language.
The IPod, and Britney references illustrate how this can happen.

We know that next week is a big two-parter story, and I think that major things will happen in respect to the story arc.
We know that "Bad Wolf" gets painted onto the Tardis, and we know that aliens are invading.
We see a scene where The Tardis, The Doctor, Rose, and Mickey are surrounded at gunpoint by what appears to be the army. And the Tardis at that point has Bad Wolf in big letters painted on it. The scene make sit look that the Doctor and his companions are very vulnerable, and so is the Tardis.

We have an alien invasion, and the Tardis with the words Bad Wolf painted on it. Now that's going to make the Tardis very significant. usually the Tardis is just ignored in it's storylines in the past, but now it's exposed.

Not only is the Tardis in jeapordy by humans and aliens, so is it's superior technology.

It could be that the Tardis itself is what leads to other alien races developing the ability of Time Travel.
Whoever the aliens are next week, and what the Doctor's involvement in the story is, all it takes is for these aliens to communicate across the galaxy about this blue box that had "Bad Wolf" on it, and the term "Bad Wolf" takes on a life of it's own over time.

In episode 1, Clive wasn't a raving nutter, everything he said was correct.
The Doctor's companion is death.
The eruption of Krakatoa
The assasination of JFK
The sinking of the Titanic
The Fall of Troy
the American War of Independence
World War 5
What was almost an Earth invasion by The Gelf
What was almost an Earth invasion by The Autons

and coming soon in this series....
World War 3
And what looks to be another massive war with the Daleks.

And of course, the Time War in which many worlds were destroyed.

Do you think they might be telling us something in this series?
I think they'e making a point of the enormity of the situations within which the Doctor has gotten involved with in this particular series.

I'm not sure, but I still get the feeling that The Doctor and everyone else is in a time loop. Whatever the Doctor does, fate leads everything to the same conclusion.

I'd say that the Nestene Consciousness and The Gelf are practically refugees from the future Time War. Their coming back to earth, in turn, leads to future events....I think.
I wouldn't be surprised if the aliens next week are coming to earth from the future as a consequence of the future Time War, and not fogetting the Daleks who are coming back. I reckong they're coming to earth due to the Time War.

Maybe it's Earth who develops the Time Travel technology first before the other races. And from Earth, that's where the future problems start.
The Army capture the Tardis, learn some secrets from it, and start research, before the Doctor gets out of the situation and leaves for another adventure.

Because it's Earth where the other Alien races keep coming back to.
Maybe because they feel they are justified because they blame the source of the problems on Earth.
Back in episode 1. The Nestene Consciousness told The Doctor that it was their constitutional right to invade Earth.
And they were terrified to see "superior technology" there. Possibly thinking about the future.

There sounds to be a few similarities to the recent real life war, which another poster also mentioned shortly after episode 1.
The Nestene has come back to invade Earth, and according to the Doctor want to plunder some very "oil based" sounding resources.

It looks to me that this Time war has created a huge mess that everyone is trying to get out of by travelling in time to solve problems and just escalating the situation, which in turn actually creates the very same war that destroys everyone in the future.

But I think "Bad Wolf" is meaningless.
It's only what it becomes that is important.

Anyway, I'm not sure if much of that makes sense, or how much is coherent. I'm quite tired, and don't know how wide of the mark any of it is.

I don't beleive it.

If I'd known you posted this I could have saved myself a lot of typing...LOL.

I just posted something that agrees with you 100%

I also think that "Bad Wolf" is just that...a TAG.
It only becomes more than that afterwards.

I had a rummage around - as you do - and found this:



it's a snippet of a possible spoiler from the episode "The Doctor Dances".

It may validate your comment.

Could it be that someone else is using the TARDIS to further their own ends?

PS How does one create a spoiler posting in the way you have done to disguise it the way you have?

At the beginning of the quote type spoiler surrounded by the [ ] brackets and then after the quote type /spoiler surrounded by the [ ] brackets - they're called tags fyi.

Ah...Thanks

I'm using the Radio Times pullout and it mentions that it's the Blitz episode with Richard Wilson. It doesn't have that extra bit in it about losing his Tardis.

So maybe that's it then. That may be the point where all the damage is done while the Doctor is temporarily seperated from his Tardis.

I've read somewhere else that the Blitz episode features gas-mask wearing zombies.
Do you think that means a possible return of The Gelf???

Thanks for that Jimbo_bob. Much appreciated!

Really liked Alrightmate's theory on the Big Bad Wolf scenario regarding the TARDIS and it makes perfect sense. I do still get the feeling that someone else is invloved along the way..either using/used the TARDIS for their own ends or something or someone has infiltrated the time machine.

Thanks Black Guardian.

Yes,....Episode 10: The Doctor Dances.
This is the episode that jimbo-bob mentions that the Doctor can't find his Tardis.

Episode 10 precedes the episode 11(obviously).

Episode 11 : Boom Town.
"The Doctor comes across someone he thought was long dead. Uh-oh!"

The "Uh-oh!" makes it sound like this could be someone bad. Possibly the Master.
I said before that I reckon this is a Time Lord. The Master would be the most obvious choice.

And Episode 11 precedes the final two-parter which from what I've seen listed is a major story probably involving the Daleks.
Sounds probable, as they want to build it all up to a climax, and end it on a climax.

So we have...
Episode 11....The Doctor loses his Tardis
Episode 12....The Doctor meets someone he thought dead
Episode 13/14.....The final chapter....The Daleks

It really does look like that at that time the backdrop story is in full flow, and the last episodes appear to imply that the events in all the last episodes flow into each other.
It does point to the Tardis being lost being connected to the person in the following episode who The Doctor thought was dead,...which then goes into a final encounter with Daleks.

So who do you think it is he comes across that he thought was dead Alrightmate? Any thoughts on who that Time Lord might be in your view...or are you suggesting like the rest of us it is The Master....?

If the doctor loses his TARDIS and then (the following week) meets the master, could it be they are actually working together. The common goal would be .... not revenge on the daleks (not the doctors thing) .. but to "fix" the gallifrey erasure.



(two major assumptions there)

Not there is a thought...The Master helps The Doctor fix the Gallifrey erasure and gets a new life cycle perhaps...or won't the evil one try and pull a fast one and take over as he normally tries to....

I don't know. I'm pretty open.
I just have a strong feeling that it will be a Time Lord.

A Time Lord would be able to reveal some information to The Doctor to give him clues as to what to do next,...and also serves as a device to explain things to the viewer.
It would be a good point in the story to clarify a lot of things to the viewer, just to make sure we are up to date with what's happening.

It's probably The Master, but it could also be Romana.
But I don't know much about the novels, or remember much of any detail from the old series, so I can't think of any other Time Lord.

So in the books that covered the destruction of Gallifrey, Romana did not escape or there was no hint of an escape for her?

The only other person I can think of is Leela as she would not have been part of The Matrix and could have escaped and survived even though Gallifrey ceased to be.

Yes, it could be possible.

If this character is The Master, then there has to be a plot device in which it makes sense for The Doctor to meet him.
If The Master is trying to avoid the Doctor, he may not be too keen to see him,...so...maybe The Master forged a deal with the Daleks, they double-crossed him, so the Doctor meets The Master in some sort of situation where they need each other.
They do a deal, stuff happens with the Daleks, then The Master betrays The Doctor at the end to set things up for the next series.

I'm not saying that's what I think will happen. I just think something like that is entirely plausible.

They do need to show that The Master is an enemy, and they do need to show how ruthless and devious the Master is. A double-cross situation may be the way to go to acheive this.

It's a long way off that episode though, so any speculation about The Master is based on very little. He might even not be in this series.

I've no idea about the books. I probably know as much as you do there.

And I never knew Leela was a Time Lord.
Is that something that is revealed in the books too?

Leela isn't a Time Lord or wasn't made one when she elected to stay on Gallifrey so thus isn't connected to The Matrix so if she was able to escape then when the planet was destroyed she would've survived. Isn't the assumption that anyone still 'part of The Matrix would've died once Gallifrey ceased to exist.

I haven't read any of the books..just picked up bits and pieces people have mentioned about them on here.

Think someone mentioned in one of their posts today that the TARDIS does feature very heavily in one of the future stories so perhaps we might learn more then or at least get a few more clues...

Gawd! I hope so!!!.. I had the HUGEST crush on the Brigadier when I was little!

I think you must be wearing your keyboard out the amount you've written on the new series over the past few weeks.

Seriously though, I think it's great that yourself, and the others contributing to this thread, care enough to go into such detail when explaining your theories and ideas. I thought I knew a fair bit about the show but I've learnt an awful lot from this thread.

Regarding the Bad Wolf / graffiti tag theory, I hope we're right. I think that would be a really neat idea, that a random act of minor vandalism in the early 21st century would still live on almost 4 billion years later, through association with the TARDIS / doctor.

Vic

Honestly, I pop out for a few hours and you lot type up enough to fill a library!

OK - Following on from the TARDIS/Bad Wolf scenario(!).

In Logopolis (the Last Tom Baker story) the Master disguises his TARDIS as a police box. The Doctor, thinking this is a real police box materialises around it (for plot reasons).

When he finally enters the police box he finds himself in a TARDIS control room - with a police box in it!

Now, the "something nasty in the TARDIS" that someone mentioned earlier could be another TARDIS! And not just any old TARDIS but the Master's TARDIS!

The Big Bad Wolf is wearing the sheep's clothing!
The Master, working from his (more advanced model) TARDIS is controlling the Doctor's TARDIS remotely. (cubed)

The whole slew of "Bad Wolf" clues could be the TARDIS calling for help telepathically. Because the Doctor is still getting over his regeneration, he is not picking up on it - but anyone with telepathic powers is - Gwynneth & whoever tags it in the next episode. Gwynneth would not understand the meaning any more than she understood people flying around in metal birds. To the Tagger it's just a tag, but to us it's alarm bells.

The Moxx is referring to a legendary (mythical? it is the year 5 billion after all) scenario; the Nestene is picking up on the telepathic wave.

Let's hope the old girl fights back!

Doctor did mentions to Rose that TARDIS being in her mind, communicating with her mind amongst the aliens' conversation as "an interpreter"

Just a thought, perhaps Gwynneth have caught a "blip" of TARDIS's memory inside Rose's mind that freaks Gwynneth out, muttering "Bad Wolf"

I love those theories. I was a Dr who fan, but only in Tom Baker period. but what make matter worse is I am totally deaf since birth. In 1970s no subtitles then! I do remember vaguely seeing Doctor's TARDIS inside an "Evil TARDIS!"