Afternoon, all! I've returned to share another theory I have.

Going back to the TARDIS being asscoiated with "Bad Wolf Scenarios", the aliens don't know that it's a TARDIS, they see it as a blue box.

Humans see it as a 1950s(?) police box.

With me so far? Good!

Now, the search term that Rose used on the 'net in episode 1 was "Doctor Blue Box". That's what found Clive.

Now, perhaps I'm reading too much into this, but surely if Clive was such an enthusiast, he would have called it a "1950s Police Box"............

Could it be that Clive is/was alien in some way?

I did think it strange that an actor such as Mark Benton played such a small part.

(We really need an "intriguing" smiley!!!)

Actually, you're quite right to be miffed. Apologies - everyone's opinion here is as valid as anyone else's. None of us really know what's going on, but hopefully, with everyone's help, we might be able to get to the bottom of it.

I do feel that the series has moved on though - it did so years ago when the novels first started up (after McCoy's Doctor left the screen.)

Your original remark did come across as a little tongue-in-cheek though - maybe if you'd have posted your theory along with it, people might not have dismissed it so quickly?

Hey Mark welcome back!
My head is still fuzzy and my throat feels like the bottom of a budgie's cage, so apologies to one and all if I'm a little off the mark with my posts today.

I think that Clive Benton is a well-known face and was just used as a way for 'brand new viewers only' to identify with the series... there may be more to it, but I'm not really inclined to think so at this point.

The closest we have to an intriguing smiley is the one I'm afraid - but that will do I guess.

I'm thinking that way too.

1) In fact I think it's possible that the conspiracy could go back to when The Doctor and Rose go back to the past in the episode involving her father in "Father's Day".

We know Clive would have been still alive then, and the events in that episode are when Clive may actually start his dossier on The Doctor and the research about him.....
.....From Episode 1;
Clive tells Rose that The Doctor has cropped up in history. He gives the examples; ...."Ghost stories, Political Diaries...."

Clive was right in all his suspicions too so far too.
So he may be right about this when he told Rose...."He's singled you out"

And the Goverment conspiracy idea is also backed up in episode 1, when after the Rose's first encounter with the Autons the Doctor warns Rose not to tell her family about anything....."Don't tell them about this or you'll get them killed".

It was also reminded to us again when they are walking past the garages. Rose says to The Doctor "You said if I tell the police, if I did that, it could get people killed"

At the time we just assume The Doctor is referring to The Autons. At that point of time, we weren't even aware of a story arc or anything until later at the end. So we didn't question about who would get people killed. We naturally assumed that the Autons would know for some reason and accepted it as that without further question.
But how would the Auton's kill her for telling her family, or the police? How would the Auton's know for sure what she did?

But if she told the police. Well, maybe the police may alert the appropriate authorities that would get people killed in a cover up operation.
If there was a government conspiracy, then anyone who started speaking out and alerting other people would have to be disposed of to ensure that the cover-up is kept secret.

Maybe this was also on the mind of Clive, and why he was so paranoid, when he mentioned the involvement of political diaries.

I was thinking that before, but was going to post it in the contents of a larger post that I was going to post later on.

Apologies if this has been suggested before, I keep running out of time before I get to the last post and consequently missing the remainder.

My theory about Simon Pegg is...



(Sometimes even a lucky guess can spoil it for some).

Sorry, I was having my own little attempt at being "intriguing" - won't try that again in a hurry!

Magnus Greel was 'the infamous Minister of Justice. The butcher of Brisbane.' in the 51st century.

He had a rudimentary time machine, which was one of the reasons I mentioned him.

The other reason is that he was around when world war six almost broke out; the doctor mentioned being in WW5 and I got one of those annoying little "dings".

The story is also on DVD, so people could play "catch up".


Most of us have agreed that there should not be "baggage" from the old series - but many have also agreed that there should be a little food for the old fans.

I have also just remembered that, during the Davison era, there was talk of Anthony Ainley playing Greel in a rematch story.

Not the best of my theories, but it's fun to play with the mythos.

There is just so much to go at here!

Not that I'm complaining - oh no no no!

.....................

But they're probably going to know in this week's episode.
And The Nestene called it "Bad Wolf" as soon as it saw it.
The Doctor even said it had identified it as "superior technology".

Another thing to throw into the mix:

Guests are reminded that Platform One prohibits the use of weapons of teleportation and religion!

I haven't rejected your idea at all.
I honestly didn't mean to come across as dismissive.

Like I say, it would be a secondary option for the time being, until the story we see on screen supports it.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound like I was rejecting anything.
I was just suggesting we don't build all future speculation around it and lead ourselves up a dead end when it might not even get mentioned in the show.

Every opinion is good.
It's just that some of them fit in with what's already been presented to us in the story we are seeing, and others need to be just considered as a possibility waiting for more validation when something in the story we see on screen points to them as being more probable.

That's 'weapons, teleportation and religion'

I did.

But it just sounds like I'm just saying that to copy you.

And yes, it was .."Guests are reminded that platform one forbids the use of weapons, teleportation, and religion".

I'd better go away and write something.

So my ears are shot to beggorah as well as everything else at the moment. I tried to cheer myself up this morning by snuggling up in front of SKY+ and watching all three episodes back to back

EDIT: Sorry, typo - transportation should have been teleportation.

I was a bit out of sorts when I wrote my little peeve.

Perhaps we should find some way of separating ongoing story specuation with future plot speculation.

It would be interesting to see how differently they both turn out.

Watch episode 1 again.

And watch for the bit where The Doctor and Rose are walking between the garages.....

.....then look out for the graffiti on the garages showing Daleks and Ghosts.

I think that might be a good idea - have a 'speculation thread' and a 'known facts to date' thread....

Problem is, we are all so inspired and full of ideas that it gets hard to keep track of who has proposed what and I'm wondering if a seperate thread would just confuse things even more.

Den Watts, aka_lucifer...everyone....

Do you think we should ask Digital Spy for a forum for the Doctor Who series?

I know they usually reserve forums for reality TV,..but surely this is one show that's brought huge amounts of discssion all weaving around in the same thread.

People don't like it when we start new threads, and this one thread is becoming very inefficient for discussing the many ideas we're having.

If we could use a Doctor Who forum here on DS, we would have a much better chance of getting our ideas tidied up and not convuluted or lost in a long, massive winding thread.
Plenty of ideas may have been lost or forgotten about earlier in the thread, and it's very difficult to go back and find them, especially when new ideas are coming all the time.
We ease some pressure from the main Television forum too.

So what do you all think?
Would a DS forum for Doctor Who be a great idea to get all DS members ides logically sorted out, in place, and in a way that's easy to find ideas and refer back to them?

A DS Doctor Who forum....what do you say?

(It maybe doesn't even need to be a permanent forum,..just a place where we can get our thoughts in order before this thread becomes impossible to use for brainstorming ideas, and where we can refer to older ideas at a glance)

Or if not a dr who forum
maybe we could have a sci-fi forum
to cater for all sci-fi shows ?

Yes, if not a Doctor Who forum....a Sci-fi forum would be the next best thing.

Alrightmate, I think your 'conspiracy theory' idea might well be a nod to X-files - but who knows, when only three episodes have given us so much to speculate about.

And aka_lucifer, it's a magnificent theory involving Magnus, but I don't think it would be within the bounds of the new series. There are only so many enemies and so many stories we can fit in for the finale.

Not that it isn't a cracking good idea for the second series, when the Doctor maybe has to start mopping up the remaining 'rogue elements'.

I think that the main of the purpose of the series, from a 'new viewer' point of view, is to establish the basics - He's the Doctor, he's a Timelord, he can regenerate, he can travel through time and space, his arch enemies are the Daleks, (and, if we're going to see him) there is also a rogue Timelord who is his 'equal and opposite' - the Master.

I've said it many times, but the new viewers are as important to the show as us older fans.

I think it's a damn good idea (sorry, spent ages reading through and typing my last post).

As you say, a sci-fi forum would be nice, epecially as we seem to be having a mini-revival (what with the new BSG as well). A Doctor Who forum would be even better for our purposes. You going to request one ? I'm sure we'd all back you up.

With regards to no. 1, my idea is that all those things happen to him after he's done battle with the Autons, and after he's asked Rose to come with him, the 1st time. There's no telling whether him coming back and remarking that the Tardis travels in time is actually straight after he's just left her, for him. I think that him remarking on his appearance at the start of the episode means that he had only just regenerated, I just don't buy that he wouldn't have seen a mirror if he'd been the 9th Doctor for some time.

Anyway, a Dr Who or a sci fi forum sounds pretty darn good to me!

Oh wait, yes sorry. I get you know. When he first leaves her he could have been gone for years, but finds that he needs Rose. So when he comes back to that point in time, to us it looks like 20 seconds, but the Doctor could have been up to all sorts in that time and could have spent a long time away.

Good thinking.

Yes. I think it was on the opening episode thread that I mentioned that Christopher Eccleston's departure meant that he couldn't have seen JFK's assassination, etc. The only time he could have fitted that in was in between leaving Rose then going back to pick her up, giving added weight to his "By the way, did I also mention that in travels in time?" comment.

One word - yes!