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Old 09-04-2005, 22:41
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
Simon's a great fan of Charles Dickens and only agreed to play the part in DW because it was so true to Dicken's original character. He demanded to see the script before agreeing to take the part.

And he was wonderful, wasn't he?
Simon is a leading authority on all things Dickens....
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Old 09-04-2005, 22:47
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Thought it was better for the lack of background music then the previous 2 episodes!

Just been bothering me as to as far as i can remember,
it was always a bit hit and miss with him
when he tried to reach a destination in the tardis

Now he gets it almost perfectly
as im sure im the master could control his tardis perfectly

so now im getting paranoid and thinking "is the the doctor REALLY the doctor" ???....

Next weeks episode looks to be a good one !
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Old 09-04-2005, 22:50
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Originally Posted by re-offender
Thought it was better for the lack of background music then the previous 2 episodes!

Just been bothering me as to as far as i can remember,
it was always a bit hit and miss with him
when he tried to reach a destination in the tardis

Now he gets it almost perfectly
as im sure im the master could control his tardis perfectly

so now im getting paranoid and thinking "is the the doctor REALLY the doctor" ???....

Next weeks episode looks to be a good one !
If you don't think he is the Doctor, then who is he then...?
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Old 09-04-2005, 22:53
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
If you don't think he is the Doctor, then who is he then...?
The master or another timelord ?
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Old 09-04-2005, 22:59
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slightly off topic - i.e in terms of how good the new series is, anyone else like the "new" theme music?

I have always liked the Dr Who theme tune and the various remixes..but was very slightly 'disappointed' with the new series mix.. since it does away with the "chorus" bit and is very reminiscent of the 1st Dr Who tune.. however, having just listened to the new theme a few times I am really impressed...

It not only fits the title sequence, but has a great build up that i hadn't noticed before...... drums echo the bass line for the first few bars then 'double up'..... the single bass line "dum de dum" sound starts, then, as the TARDIS goes from the blue stream to the red in titles, goes "dum de de dum " it's all very sutble and all very good.... sorry i know off topic and prob not worded very well, but just some thoughts.
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:00
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Originally Posted by re-offender
The master or another timelord ?
But Gallifrey is destroyed, the Doctor is the last Time Lord.

(Only because he was removed from the Matrix by President Romana, according to the books. Otherwise, he'd be as dead as the rest of them.)
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:02
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
But Gallifrey is destroyed, the Doctor is the last Time Lord.

(Only because he was removed from the Matrix by President Romana, according to the books.)
As I have not read the books how and why did Romana remove the Doctor from the Matrix? Sorry to go slightly off topic here...
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:06
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I havent read the books either
but this is the tv series

Surely its not based on books ?

Anyway back to my point
but with the show title is in fact asking Doctor Who ?
Could he not be anyone ?

I hope that makes sense lol
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:07
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I really enjoyed Doctor Who tonight. Great.
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:10
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Originally Posted by re-offender
I havent read the books either
but this is the tv series

Surely its not based on books ?

Anyway back to my point
but with the show title is in fact asking Doctor Who ?
Could he not be anyone ?

I hope that makes sense lol
Now that would be a twist and a half...Chris Eccleston's Doctor exposed as an imposter but then we wouldn't have a regeneration at the end of the series so as much as I like your theory I reckon he is the real thing and there is something much darker going on.

Perhaps I am reading too much into this but when Rose is taking to Gwyneth in the washroom, the maid says to her that she has seen the big bad wolf and then the Doctor interrupts them....and in the trailer for next week we see Bad Wolf on the side of the TARDIS....spooky...
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:10
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
As I have not read the books how and why did Romana remove the Doctor from the Matrix? Sorry to go slightly off topic here...
A detailed breakdown can be found here

As I said before, I think the new series is a melting pot of what was on-screen and what was in the 'continuing adventures'. It also has to be adapted for a new audience (of an age range from 6 to 106). Hence I don't think they would go into such detail and depth as the novels did, and also wouldn't show people lying dead, bleeding on the floor from Auton gunshot wounds.

Just my opinion, of course.
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:17
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Why doesn't the Doctor go back in time to save the other timelords, or as he's not supposed to change history, take another timelord with him?
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:20
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
Now that would be a twist and a half...Chris Eccleston's Doctor exposed as an imposter but then we wouldn't have a regeneration at the end of the series so as much as I like your theory I reckon he is the real thing and there is something much darker going on.

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But they could as the REAL doctor enters his proper body
and the one we have been watching was a fake

If indeed it is a fake

HE Wouldnt lose a regeneration then as
he would return to his natural body
from.....gawd knows ?...my head hurts

im off to watch the football,
roll on next sat
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:26
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Originally Posted by re-offender
But they could as the REAL doctor enters his proper body
and the one we have been watching was a fake

If indeed it is a fake

HE Wouldnt lose a regeneration then as
he would return to his natural body
from.....gawd knows ?...my head hurts

im off to watch the football,
roll on next sat
This is what I love about the new series...the enthusiasm it has stirred up with old fans, the interest it is has generated with new one's and the endless debate and speculation on what is going to happen next. Like him or love him RTD certainly has changed the face of Doctor Who forever...
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:33
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It's great, totally hooked. Simon Callow was excellent, with this calibre of actors available to the series, better effects and decent writing (by writers not afraid to chuck in sci-fi references - last week Douglas Adams, this week a steal from ST:TNG, next week Independence Day by the looks of it) it's hitting all the right spots for the Who fans, sci-fi fans, horror fans....

I really hope this series gets the audience, and dvd sales, it deserves. For once the UK has a series the equal, at least, of US shows.
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:35
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Originally Posted by emsee
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but in Doctor Who tonight, Simon Callow plays Charles Dickens.

On BBC 4 tonight at 8:15, Simon Callow also plays Charles Dickens in "They Mystery of Charles Dickens".

I wonder how the characters in two programmes will compare....
You mean that wasn't the real dickens

lol

i thought tonights episode was a little scarier than the first two, although it takes a hell of a lot to scare this generation (im 16 btw)
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:49
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It was my favourite episode so far.
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Old 09-04-2005, 23:57
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Originally Posted by Anthony Haines
Why doesn't the Doctor go back in time to save the other timelords, or as he's not supposed to change history, take another timelord with him?
There are no other Timelords - he's the last.

So far....
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Old 10-04-2005, 00:00
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
There are no other Timelords - he's the last.

So far....
There is something not quite right though is there. All these references to the Big Bad Wolf etc...

Something is up but I guess RTD is going to keep us guessing right til the end or at least ep 11.
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Old 10-04-2005, 00:01
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Originally Posted by re-offender
HE Wouldnt lose a regeneration then as he would return to his natural body
I did consider this myself, particularly as it would mean the producers could save a regeneration, but to my mind the evidence simply didn't fit.
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Old 10-04-2005, 00:01
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A couple of things come to mind here.

The Doctor tells Rose the Time is not unchangeable when she asks how the Gelfs(sp?) can invade in 1869 when she knows they didn't in 2005. This means that he can bring back any previous enemy/alien species even if they've been wiped out in a previous series.

I think the idea that the Doctor is going to turn out to not to be the real Doctor is a complete non-starter. This is effectively a completely new series, so you are not going to say at the end of it, "Oh by the way, the last 13 episodes of the series have been a complete lie, because he wasn't really the Doctor". That would be a brilliant way of alienating most of your audience.

Overall, this is the best episode to date and the next looks even better in my opinion. I've voted excellent in all three polls now, had I know what standard the following episodes were going to be, I'd have rated the first merely very good.
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Old 10-04-2005, 00:12
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
Hmm...

McCoy was a 'dark' Doctor - the 'cosmic manipulator' or chesssplayer. (And criminally undervalued in my opinion - anyone else think so?)

Yes!!

That's all I wanted to say but it was too short
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Old 10-04-2005, 00:12
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
There is something not quite right though is there. All these references to the Big Bad Wolf etc...

Something is up but I guess RTD is going to keep us guessing right til the end or at least ep 11.
Well, it was Bad Wolf that was daubed on the Tardis - I need to watch tonight's episode again along with the preceeding episodes before I'd like to make a judgement.

I seem to remember that it was a gang name from the novels, and was scrawled on walls when McCoy's Doctor was being particularly devious and playing a very long game. It was alluded to that he was also not the Doctor (McCoy).

Unfortunately, although I watched the episode live, my Sky+ decided to miss recording the first 14 minutes.

Sky can expect a lawsuit!
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Old 10-04-2005, 00:16
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I think I've worked out the Bad Wolf reference.

In next week's episode the plot involves aliens taking on the form of humans, in particular leading politicians.

The trailer for next week shows them appearing to unzip themselves to reveal the monster beneath.

This is just what the Bad Wolf does in Little Red Riding Hood.
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Old 10-04-2005, 00:19
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
Well, it was Bad Wolf that was daubed on the Tardis - I need to watch tonight's episode again along with the preceeding episodes before I'd like to make a judgement.

I seem to remember that it was a gang name from the novels, and was scrawled on walls when McCoy's Doctor was being particularly devious and playing a very long game. It was alluded to that he was also not the Doctor (McCoy).

Unfortunately, although I watched the episode live, my Sky+ decided to miss recording the first 14 minutes.
Damn the wretched Sky+....there is always the BBC3 repeat tomorrow.

The maid Gwyneth says that Rose has seen the big bad wolf and then we see it scrawled on the side of the TARDIS in next weeks episode trailer...perhaps RTD has taken it from the novels and the Doctor is indeed playing a game.

The only other alternative is a wolf in sheeps clothing or it is a complete red herring and means nowt! lol!

The joy and excitement of speculation but I like your ideas and theories.
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