Ditto

I hate the constant showing of diary room clips and revealing things others have said.

Watch Love Island on ITV2. It's far far FAR better than BB!

Hmm, not sure I agree. I think that if you throw in lots of twists and then suddenly there aren't any, for a couple of days it may be a bit of an anti-climax, but I think that there are a lot of viewers who like that sort of thing. I find the relentless twists exhausting, quite frankly, and I thought that the first couple of weeks of this series were awesome because it was a little bit more of a traditional series. BB13 was more natural, and was easily the best series C5 have done.

I don't mind watching arguments, in fact I like just watching people. This is surely what BB is for. What is the point of watching a programme like Big Brother if you want manufactured drama? You can just watch soaps for that. Big Brother's whole selling point is that you can watch people, uninhibited by the outside world, in a House where their environment is controlled but how they live is up to them. Their freedom increases their own paranoia, their paranoia drives up their behaviour and that is what makes them entertaining. If you remove that element, what actually does Big Brother have anymore?

And I think it's always possible to get this programme good again, because the format is brilliant - the first week of this series was very, very good. The thing is, it has been harmed, and ratings will not go back up overnight. You make a good point about how most people don't watch it live anymore, but I'm not sure that that is reflective because socially Big Brother isn't popular anymore. Ten years ago, you could bring up the subject in a room and get into a long conversation about it; these days I'm often the only person in a group who watches it, or at least in the minority. I think making it big again could easily be possible, but you have to play the long game as far as that is concerned. Continuing to introduce twists to boost the ratings will not work, as that is what has driven people away in the first place.

So, get over it.

The winner receives 150k. They should have to crawl through barbed wire for that!

I shall now play the world's smallest violin.

Love Island is okay but they should of kept the same style. They have completely copied Towie, same camera shots, editing etc.

Naomi is tasty, but the rest are average, and none of the females has any personality, wit or charm.

The winner should be also entertaining and not a HM who is able to bitch the most or bark the loudest.

I guess it's a generation thing, youngsters these days seems to enjoy watching people suffering mentally and physically.

It never was a billed as an entertainment show. It started as a social experiment and is now just a manipulated reality show, providing a vehicle for wannabes and failures from the ents industry.

It's a shadow of its former self.
I was sad when it finished on C4 and thought that was it.
But then C5 took it over, and it has become a showcase for wannabes.

Why do we have to watch nastiness for the sake of it?
It makes me feel uncomfortable to see some of the housemates being criticised and verbally abused by others who think they are superior, and laughs at other HMs expense.
It's verging on the cruel now.
What's the problem with treating people nicely and with respect?

I wish BB had died when it finished on C4 and it had been renamed when it went to C5.

This show is most definitely not Big Brother.

You are right and it cannot even be classed as a game show because game shows have rules, and BB go to pains to tell us that they can change the rules at any time - which gives them carte blanche to do anything they damn well want to the programme.

The HMs go in thinking they have a chance of winning £150,000, but what if the winner has already been decided and the whole show is being manipulated the whole time in order to get their winner first past the fence.

The show grew a very dark soul when it became scripted. I hadn't felt the presence of any scripted elements in Big Brother until BB14 (maybe 13) came along. BB14 seemed to usher in a new breed of house-mate who we're willing to take direction instead of simply directing themselves as they saw fit. They could read the structure provided by tasks and twists, and interactions in the DR, to see an angle to play for the good of viewers so called "entertainment" and as a result, themselves. The obvious name drop here is Dexter, perhaps the less obvious and more controversial one, Callum.

I'm not talking about knowing how to read the game here, Aaron (BB12) was a master at that but the only direction he would honour came from the viewer, i'm talking about allowing Big Brother to guide you to where the "entertainment" is, then exploiting it to the best of you're ability once you got there. It's an almost intangible dialog between structural elements (task's etc) and those willing to play along house-mates, creates a sense of Script.

Big Brothers influence over the "entertainment" grew to perverse levels, and here we are today. With nothing short of an overly produced Jerry Springer clone.

Brilliantly put. Sad but true

The producers obviously thought, that bullying, crudity and viciousness is what the public want. After all said and done Helen Wood won last year and that is her to a tee.

BB have no respect for HMs, or the audience. Especially with the fraternity brothers and pledges task. Encouraging the frat brothers to do what they want with the pledges as a means to humiliate them as much as possible is absolutely disgusting. The sort of behaviour from a fraternity or sorority to cause embarrassment, humiliation, degradation, etc, to a pledge, is known as hazing.

Hazing is a massive problem in the USA, and to some degree, also in the UK. This is usually found in fraternities and sororities at Universities. It also happens in athletic teams, and some other clubs. There are now anti-hazing laws at the majority of universities, as some have taken hazing too far, resulting in death, serious physical / psychological injuries. Some have even resulted in suicide.

So seeing BB encourage hazing behaviour, is BB saying this behaviour is acceptable. I find this completely unacceptable. And considering there are a fair few teens and young adults who watch BB, it's gonna give them the impression that this sort of thing is ok. Then this can lead to even more bullying and hazing.

Ok, rant over. I really needed to get that out of my system.

Theres a lot of 'who said this' tasks this year

I prefer the days when the HMs had to grow their own fruit and veg, make their own bread, and get their eggs from Marjorie the chicken. And when they had to make their own utensils as part of a task. Those were the days.

I wouldn't say that Big Brother can change the rules at any time, for the simple reason that there seem to be hardly any rules to change. Changing the rules (as they did in BB13, for instance, when they were initially allowed to discuss nominations and then they weren't) is fine; making it up as you go along is not.

I feel sorry for all the housemates they way they are being, BB is allowing harassment and let them say what they want without any control or how it makes the feel

Unfortunately. if you get involved to the point where you root for someone to win, you may just find that they're wiped out by a vicious edit, BOTS poison, and a twist. As last year showed, HMs can now even be evicted without a public vote at any stage.

Yes a much nastier tinge to it now ,like last night ,when that horrible Helen went ott on Harry ,and then they came in and she was shown left on the couch ,as the nasty ones came in .The way they just let nominations be shown all the time now ,or face to face ,their is no intrigue with it at all .I sometimes watch out of habit i think ,but it has definately gone sleezy aswell since channel 5

yes I totally agree with you ,NOT nice ,and not pleasant to view ,seems far too much of these letting them know what others have said .

You are spot on ,sadly the nasty ,sleezy route for viewers has won out these days

It's just boring seeing rubbish arguments over and over again. I'm fed up with it now and won't be watching again until Helen has gone I couldn't standher last time and won't be suffering it again.

I think some people are remembering C4 BB with rose tinted specs on.

The task's toward the end of Helen's series we're Helen friendly, and so was the edit. I swear i could here violins every time i tuned in as Big Brother treated us to the Bad girl turned good finale. She went from 50/1 to 8/1 in the space of a few episodes with the bookies. That's how decisive and powerful the show's producers are in deciding who has a chance of winning. It was unprecedented. So imo Helens win was not because she was a bully, but because she appeared to go from one extreme (sinner) to the other (saint)

Quite.

I have never known a series of BB when I feel so indifferent to the h/ms and am now watching out of habit. If this forum did not exist, I don't think I would bother watching at all

I agree all the way through except the last line. Despite everything I still prefer the format that BB UK has traditionally been compared to the US version. I just find the US BB so clinical and "science lab" ---if that makes any sense. There's very little else EXCEPT intellect invovled in the US verson IMO.