was my favorite week one but he is manipulative and plays both sides as much as he can. he has the advantage of being in a house where there a very power group so so he able to play his game without 2 much risk..

he will probably win..but in my opinion shouldn't

Like others have said, it's too early to call.

I'll be over the moon for him to make the final tbh. I thought he was a goner a couple of weeks back.

No thanks. Horrible horrible person. He is no where near as honest as people think he is.

What makes you say that?

which is odd considering that Marc and co watched him 24/7 (in fact more than we ever could) and think he is the most honest and up front person in there

I found most of two faced comments were said before they went in

Interesting how when he gave his opinion on the Harry and Nick situation, he only gave it when those four housemates asked him about it secretly in the bunker. If he was meant to be so honest and straightforward, why didn't he give his honest opinion all the other times it had been mentioned in the house when everyone else was giving their opinion. He was only able to be honest in that moment through a push.

He also moaned about Sam but has never said it to her face how annoying she is to him. If he is meant to be so honest, why did he say this behind her back with other people in a room.

As well as the fact he said Jade being polyamorous is just another word for being immoral. Which is Joel's kind and sweet way of saying she is being slag. If he is meant to be so honest, why is it he only ever said this behind her back but in a room with other people

There was also an argument between him and Jade when she confronted him over things he was saying about her. One remark was he wished she scolded herself. He never said that to her face, he said it behind her back in a room with other people. When they had that argument in week 2, he could not argue back at all. Instead he was walking away and saying he didn't want to talk about it. But Joel is apparently meant to be rather good in having a good argument. using his wise words and being rather honest. But he would later bitch about her again after that argument to other people.

So while Marc and the other four had much more footage we will ever see, it was only for two days and it was after he had done all what I have described above. If him and the others had watched footage of him weeks ago, they wouldn't all be kissing his bum like they are now.

Joel has had issues with Jade, they both didn't get on for ages. I suspect they have grown closer recently we just haven't been shown it.

He moaned about Sam, after she twice nominated him and after he was asked what he thought of her.

Tbh, I think if you didn't like Joel before you wouldn't now anyway. Fair dos.

Is this the argument where Jade had been told Joel had been bitching about her, yet she couldn’t back it up with who. And he basically said if she couldn’t quantify what she is saying then he wasn’t having the discussion?

I'm wavering with Joel. I do like him most of the time, and he can be entertaining, but I am concerned that he could be drawn into Marc's camp. If he stays loyal to his friends in there over the coming days then I wouldn't mind him winning...Nick, Jade or Joel would do me.