I meant the snogging with Nick not literally doing nothing. If you don't want a romantic relationship in camera then don't snog someone even under a duvet.

As for the locking herself away she was clearly trying to calm herself down without the aid of Nick so she didn't go and do something or say something. He shouldn't be responsible for keeping her calm though. If she is so angry then she shouldn't be there

But why would you call them your 'step daughter'?

Referring to a friend as a 'wife' is one thing, step daughter is something else. Surely most people have best friends with kids and don't refer to them a their daughters/sons.

The whole thing is bizarre

Well at least now she is talking it over with Helen and not still hiding in the toilet! I can understand she wants to keep her private life to herself but it doesn't help excluding yourself. If she wants to talk to someone about anger management Helen is not the right person lol.

perhaps, or maybe it's just some random girl that she is close to that she just calls her 'daughter'?

We didn't know that she was struggling so much that she needed Nick to keep her calm though

Do most people call their best friend their wife, or husband?

I used to but after a while got tired of tediously explaining it

Maybe, she can just do what she wants without gushing about a relationship on camera.

Yes, she took herself away and first Danny and then Nick insisted on her talking about it. How is that her fault, exactly?

helen what a champion

Girls calling each other 'wife' or 'wifey' is something I have actually heard once or twice. Not common but I've heard it.

That's one thing though, speaking of their relatives as if they're actually related to you is altogether something else.

Is she going to call herself a granmother if her step daughter has a baby?

Did I say it was her fault?

You seem to be conflating issues and ascribing views to me that are not there

we did, she has said it a few times in past week

it's all going to get very confusing once she starts having kids and grandkids

You said, "He shouldn't be responsible for keeping her calm though", which made it sound like you thought it was her fault.

Oh sorry I must have missed that.

Dude I called it! Those two are kindred spirits:

No I meant exactly what I said that it isn't his responsibility for keeping her calm.

This is the thing though. Apart from Nick I don't thing anyone else has enquired too much about how she is coping/managing? Or at least tried to take her aside and talk..

Even if this is true, it doesn't change the fact the ex housemates put Arry up for evcition and it was Helen who announced it!

and ?

And it's not her responsibiltiy to care when he's getting all jittery about how he's coming across to the public. Maybe, they are just doing it because they like each other?

So, what were you saying? You think she shouldn't be in there if she has to take herself off to calm herself down when she's getting attacked from all sides?

I've got no idea.

I was just trying to explain why she may call someone her stepdaughter but not be married.

Man I said it a long time ago. That lipstick lesbian wife move was straight out of the Madonna playbook. She totally led with it because somewhere in her life she was taught that sex is the primary measure of value. If you get people, especially men in positions of power to value you in sexual terms you will have their patronage and support. So playing up to a sexy lesbian who goes both ways dynamic was what she thought the dream ticket. The problem is that it's been done so many times it's like one of those old Reader's Digest competition winner letters. It has little to no effect on most men other than a wistful smile. Especially on national TV. And when you look like Harry does right now it has even less effect.

However the attitude that she is showing now is far more interesting and insightful than the "TITS!" persona that she was trying to peddle a few weeks back.

Err nothing is going to change the facts/damage that I pointed out in the previous post, thats what is the and.

Were you just not watching during the period of Helen's redemption story line?

It's nonsense, btw, that "people started getting wind that Ashleigh was just as bad as Helen". That's something that some people had been falsely claiming for ages, and it didn't become any more true at the end. Anyone who thought Ashleigh was just as bad, and who considers how she and Helen behaved once BB was over, should be able to see that they were wrong. Most did.

The idea that Helen wasn't sneaky is wrong too.


It doesn't go against the "poor Harry" story line. Consider vlad's post above: " It seems Harry is finding it a lot tougher in there than I'd realized ..."

Instead, it works against some of the negatives that Harry was accumulating (for instance, by explaining something about her relationship with Nick), and it suggest that if even Helen can soften her view of Harry, viewers should too.