Exactly. People love to demonize others and turn everything that they say into a negative when they don't like someone, when they'd probably do the exact same thing.

Danny did. But maybe it's a recognition that in reality none of those housemates give a ****. They're all playing for penalties trying to get to the end and the likes of Harry, Jade, Simon and Sam are just useful fences to help secure their way to the finals in as little a damaging fashion as possible

How would we know? BB shows us only a small fraction of what happens, and on last night's BOTS, Rylan was even pushing the idea that Harry was being ostracised when the other HMs went over to the just entering 'secret' ones and she didn't. A woman in the audience put him straight, but he seemed to forget that later in the show.

If BB shows HMs talking with Harry, asking if she's ok, and so on, that whole story line falls apart.

They don't though do they. They are in there for their own reasons. there is a distinct lack of support for each other. Nick has supported Harry and Jade and Simon through their difficulties. Jade and Nick have helped each other, Nick and Harry have helped each other. Danny supports Jack and a few others from time to time. Everyone else is I. It for themselves. And I don't mean arguing on their behalf I mean the quiet support that goes unnoticed by the HL show

I'm so dreadfully confused.

Well, we still don't know it. It's something Harry's said; that doesn't mean it's true.

Perhaps if Nick says it too ...

Yes, we did see Chloe asking her if she was OK. The difference is Chloe accepted that Harry wanted to be left alone and patted her back and left.
The boys seem to want to insist that she talks to them straight away.

Anger management from Helen ? !

Blimey - pot, kettle, black, anyone ?

I think it's been a classic case of judging a woman because of her background and then anything she has said or done to 'back up' this image has been highlighted over and above anything else she has done.

The other HMs have steered clear just incase she was disliked by the public. Easy assumption to make that she most likely would have been..

Nick has said this too, they both confirm each others story

I think BB have had a word with Helen. Don't they realise how foolish it looks for Helen Wood to be giving advice? Perhaps BB were getting concerned that Harry might get the sympathy vote.

It's only bizarre if you think everyone everywhere has to think as you do and act as you do. I'm pretty close to my best friends kids. They all receive unconditional love and support from me. They all know if they need me I'm there for them, as I am for the parents. It's called being a supportive and caring person.


I find it rather strange that the same people who fall over themselves spinning things Jade has done and continues' to do to make it seem better, nicer are the most vocal and vicious about Harry.

BIB- Yes I must have missed that. What did the redemption storyline consist of?

What I did see was Ashleigh ruin it for herself by (after the BOTS people said she was popular because she stood up to the dreaded Helen) started picking fights with Helen when they had at that point called a truce & got on fine. It looked so forced as Ashleigh had never actually 'stood up to Helen' apart from the attempt to rig the nominations for Ash to be evicted.
Ashleigh's new found zest to pick fights with Helen made her look sneaky as she was clearly doing it because she thought it would make her look good with the public.

And as we have seen this week with Harry the BB viewers have a very short memory. You can be a total bastard one week & then be on the receiving end of grief the next and the fans will only remember the here & now.
And Helen appeared the more appealing of the 2 big hitters of the house at the crucial moment.


Nah, Harry's best chance of survival was a sympathy vote from anti Helen viewers.

Helen was quite understanding and reasonable there. If she had been like that last year maybe she wouldnt have required some help from the edit and a whole lot of crying and feeling sorry for herself to be in with a chance of winning.

Damage control

Well she wasn't shouting and that's about as reasonable as Helen gets i think. Although to be fair she's had 48 hours to stew in Marc's bias opinions.

I didn't see Helen as reasonable:
Why are you sleeping in bed with Nick - Mind your own business
Why are you kissing him but not willing to commit to a romantic relationship - Mind you're own goddam business
Control you're anger - What anger?
I sometimes tell people i want to murder them in their sleep but i wouldn't do it because i'm reformed - Oh Helen i want to be just like you.

Harry a naughty child facing Judge Helen.

So true.

I don't think that excuses anything. She is not married nor a step parent it is just Harry's way of getting attention when they are not even in a relationship, she's her flatmate and best friend. If she said flatmate no-one would take any notice but saying my wife instantly gets attention.

Harry has not been consistent about her flatmate, she just keeps spouting my wife all the time claiming her wife wouldn't like this or that behaviour and what she is allowed or not allowed to do. Now she's changed it to she doesn't want to discuss relationships in front of cameras and added on she can't control her temper.

It's not a new show it's series 16, and she knew what she was letting herself in for so that's rubbish too. They are all playing the game and she is just changing her game plan to continue in the show.

Gosh, people are really cross about this wife business, aren't they?!

Harry was getting sympathy because Helen disliked her.

Now Harry willb probably lose that because let's be honest she was only getting support because of that.

No, let's be honest--that isn't the only reason and most people know that.

It's just like Simon's fake tears though, isn't it. It's obviously a way that she likes to get attention. Little does she realize that it's an attention that is doing her no good.

The majority. I'm sure that's the reason. Don't you find it odd that this time last week she was the least liked HM with the lowest % on polls and now she's rising the rankings?

Hmm and the night she was nommed too. That's when the poll opened.

It can't just be that between Thursday and Friday she has gained that many fans.

Oh yes. It was predictable though. Everybody parts as friends - but Harry is still out as planned.

It'll be in the show tonight.

Veri's right--it makes Helen look reasonable, which is the Channel 5 goal.

It's also pretty misleading to say that they're friends now; that interaction was simply Helen telling Harry why she doesn't/didn't like her and where her opinions came from. My guess is that she hasn't changed her mind one bit.

Watch: Helen will turn around and use what she learned in that conversation in some manipulative way. Or else some part of it will come out when she's in a fit of rage.