I am no fan of Jack's, to be sure, but at least that had the semi-appearance of voter input.

This really doesn't. Marc really seems like a ringer. I'm a bit undecided if I think that's extremely unethical or not, Producers have jobs to do after all, but they're not even cloaking it or trying to pretend the viewers had input.

idk. The fact you that you are trying to compare it to other shits indicates that you actually know that this is shit, but you're trying to diminish it. And that's something,

Who cares It's not like the show has never been biased, unfair or annoying even before. I love Marc and am unashamed in saying so. BB lost any true competition tendencies years ago though having said that I really don't expect Marc to win but don't think he does either. If he is kept in artificially as long as possible then it's good as far as I'm concerned

I don't think so. Three pass is just that---three passes then it's done. I don't have a problem that. What I have a problem with the length of time the immunity is kept up. It's all in the timing.

So am I. But ONLY this week. The others were perfectly in line with BB standard practice.

I know what you're saying, and have felt that when say Sam, and Helen, or even back to Pete, which I only saw way after the fact, like it's obviously pretty influenced.

So, I'm complacent with influence,I guess. But this is blatant, and it insults my intelligence, just a tinsy bit. I guess I want my manipulation more subtle, you know? Boring peeps replaced by obvious, swaggering, douchebag who is protected, blatantly, obviously, it's just a bit much.

That said, he's a better winner than dull mealy mouth people in there, but the manipulation is getting pretty hard to swallow. Imagine if they air lifted in some complete asswad in week thirteen, who wins, next : prep yourself, because that's next.

But, the public voted Marq into the bunker? The public made that choice not the producers. I'm just trying to give some perspective as I feel like some people may be giving too much meaning to something that's essentially meaningless.

Did the public keep him safe this week?

Tell me honestly - do you really, truly, feel as though Marc has gotten no help from production whatsoever? It 's cool if you really feel that way - I just want to know.

The point is that the thread and your opening post suggests that he's got special treatment for four weeks. But he fundamentally hasn't. All late comers are always immune for the first week - throughout the series. The public put him into the bunker. After that, as far as I can recall, any hm returning from a secret bunker, safe house etc. is immune the week after. So it's ONE week - arguably two - of special treatment.

Ok - fair enough! Is one-two weeks special treatement ok with you, then?

Well it's very relevant to me. They give the newbies immunity and allow them to nominate by themselves so the next week it guarantees they will be up. So it is relevant very relevant. Having a week immunity is normal, them being the one's to nominate isn't. It set them up to be nominated 100% and no one else.

Also people spent money to give Marq the bunker and a week of immunity. Would people have spent money to keep him (or any of the newbies) 2 more weeks of immunity?

I always believed that Marq being Ben Frow's mate was guaranteed at least a month in the house. Why else would he bother, he should be in CBB (and Eileen but that's another thread ) It's way too setup and it really on bothers me because of the betting. I don't think betting should be allowed, if it's not a fair contest.

I believe that as much as the production team try to remain impartial they secretly dislike Chloe Danny Jack and Cristian. I think they took great pleasure watching as it was announced that Marc was once again immune. This is also the reason behind the venomous attacks he received that night from Cristian and Danny. It's eating them up inside lol.

I think you'd like to think that - ROFL

I do. It makes me all giddy inside.

We all know BB is rigged to a degree - but it usually done by what they show to HMs to instigate a reaction nad i can generally forgive it. But exempting Marc from nomination is blatant and to be honest - bloody anoying!

Its not necessarily that I want him to leave - dont like him but he is a good HM its just unfair and unjustified - there is no reason he shouldnt be up except they dont want him to be grr!

I'd call it 4 weeks of special treatment, with possibly plausible cover stories for 2 of the weeks.

Why do you think "any hm returning from a secret bunker, safe house etc. is immune the week after"?

BB 5 isn't a clear precedent either way, since the week after used the nominations from the week when Emma and Michelle were in the bedsit. In bb6, both of the surviving Secret Garden HMs (Eugene and Orlaith) were nominated in the week after. In bb7, there were no nominations the week Aisleyne returned after the HND, but Aisleyne and the new HMs were all up because of a punishment decision. In bb8, halfway HMs were nominated the week after the Half Way House. I haven't looked further, but so far I haven't found anything that fits what you said. Maybe Cameron in bb4?

What are you goin on about? He has every right to be there, and he has been the most popular housemate according to the viewer's polls since he entered the house. "Delusion that he has so-called earned his place"??? ... sorry, the only deluded one seems to be you mate

I don't really see any great conspiracy tbh. He's favorite to win. What do they have to gain from not putting him up for eviction. He'd coast through against any of the current crop on an eviction night.

But what if Marc got voted into the bunker--not because he was the most popular---but just because many of us wanted to see what the would do being in there with the ex housemates? Just because he voted into the bunker does not translate "that he would coast through against any of the current crop." At any rate he shouldn't be protected from the public vote. End of.

Entirely agree. In that respect its totally different from the Helen situation last year. The minute she had been allowed to be nominated, the housemates would have put her up and the public would have kicked her out in a flash. Marc is totally safe against this lot.

It seems to me that if Marc is now considered one of the time warp housemates (which seems to be the case) then he should have the same status as them i.e. he shouldn't be eligible to win the money. He shouldn't be able to have it both ways.

But why should he be totally safe? None of the other housemates get to be "totally safe." If the housemates want to nominate Marc then they should be able to. And if the public want to evict his ass then they should be able to. Marc's a BB housemate. If the only way he can make it to the final is by cheating then what kind of a winner is that?

Exactly. Either he is a BB housemate or he is not.

The reasons he ended up in the bunker are irrelevant. He's still favorite to win. He's not in any danger of being evicted. They haven't done him any favors by making him immune. In fact it could be said that they have done the absolute opposite in many peoples eyes.

Speidi?

It's blatant that Marc is a producer favourite - He constantly influences noms without any warning. If he is a time warp housemate then he should leave when Nikki, Brian and Helen does.