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brangdon
05-09-2015
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“shows that this isn't a simple problem that the show can just wade into and solve.”

And this week they attacked Cameron for doing exactly that: for wanting to solve the root causes of the refugee crisis when those causes will be hard to solve. I'm not a fan of Cameron, but I think his approach of collecting refugees directly from Syria is a better approach than letting them in at Calais. We don't want to encourage them to cross oceans in dodgy boats or pay people smugglers or hang off lorries. We should provide an alternative so they don't have to do that.

Overall it was one of the weaker episodes, which is shame being the last one in the series. Despite all the complaints it's still one of the funnier things on TV.
XIRONSX
05-09-2015
This weeks (it's usually bad but this stuck in the throat more than past weeks) was like comic relief turned up to 11!
Words are cheap - especially when a well off celebrity is looking down the camera lecturing on how simple it is to fix a situation.
Amongst things he pointed out, my main query would be, in the more than one house this man owns at home and here, how many refugee families is his going to house with him? .... i'm going to guess ... none!

In the world of the well off, these situations will not effect them whatsoever, living in their ivory towers etc etc - yet their lecturing words are always the ones heard.

Action by those way more capable in these situations, not words .... no action? ... then shut up!
Steve9214
05-09-2015
Josh Widdicombe just seems so out of place, and (to my eyes) very uneasy.
I reckon if he got a sniff of his own show, he would be off.

Lee Mack was CLEARLY not being sucked into the right-on refugee rant, despite being asked to - forcefully - several times.

I can see them finding it hard to get guests in the future, apart from card-carrying left wing comedians like Jeremy Hardy or Mark Steele.
Any other comedian - with a broad appeal - would be so fearful of saying one word out of place, that it might alienate a sizeable chunk of their audience.
Would Michael McKintrye or Dara O'Brien be comfortable sitting there with Hills in a full scale "ComicRelief turned up to 11" rant
Moleskin
05-09-2015
There seems to be a history of left-wing Australians coming over here and telling us what to think, starting with Germaine Greer and John Pilger, then Peter Tatchell and now Natalie Bennett and Adam Hills, personally I think they should "do one".
jonbwfc
05-09-2015
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“Would Michael McKintrye or Dara O'Brien be comfortable sitting there with Hills in a full scale "ComicRelief turned up to 11" rant”

You know Dara's been a guest on the show quite recently, don't you?
jonbwfc
05-09-2015
Originally Posted by Moleskin:
“There seems to be a history of left-wing Australians coming over here and telling us what to think, starting with Germaine Greer and John Pilger, then Peter Tatchell and now Natalie Bennett and Adam Hills, personally I think they should "do one".”

The right wing Australians don't tend to emirate, for much the same reasons right wing British and American people don't. If you don't like any other place in the world, you're not exactly likely to want to go and live there, are you?
Steve9214
05-09-2015
Originally Posted by jonbwfc:
“You know Dara's been a guest on the show quite recently, don't you?”

The unfunny ranting really only started recently.

There is a difference between a comedic diatribe, and "Comic Relief turned up to 11"
(I love this expression - we are not worthy XIRONSX !!!)

I saw Adam being interviewed by Sue Perkins on an Edinburgh fringe show, and he said the Last Leg producers wanted more rants so that was why the programme has changed.

Well then these producers are idiots !!
Zaphodski
05-09-2015
Originally Posted by Malliday:
“I turned off just now on +1 as soon as the issue of Syria came up. As soon as Adam Hills started saying that they'd "had a discussion before the show" about whether to show the picture of the poor little Syrian boy then I knew that this week's show was just going to be an unbearable, self-righteous, sentimentalized lecture on the migrant crisis.

Forgive me, but I'll stick to Newsnight and other serious news programmes for discussion on the migrant crisis. I don't need a comedy show shoving a cynically partisan viewpoint down my throat.

Hopefully by the next season they'll have remembered that they're meant to be a topical comedy entertainment show and give the self-righteous hectoring (great choice of word) a rest.”

Agreed. When a show that stated by looking at the comical aspects of the news migrates to attempting to moralise and apportion guilt on society it starts to lose it's audience, in my view. This is similar to when Richard Curtis attempted to moralise the large Vicar of Dibley audience with respect to aid to Africa etc al.

If a tap is leaking you don't solve the problem by putting ever increasingly large receptacles under it, you fix the tap at source. I don't see Adam Hills offering the viewpoint of Cameron (and I didn't vote Tory) that the problem should be fixed at the source of migration. That wouldn't be as effective tv I suppose.... If EU countries send out the message that refuges will be welcome, more will come. Who then decides to say stop, no more....? There are more people in the Middle East and Africa than in Europe, much more....
anthony david
06-09-2015
This is a show that pokes fun at the news. As the media have cleared away everything for the migrant stories, nice and lucrative for the gutter press, they had very little to work with this week. Look forward to seeing them all next year.
Mass Corona
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by Moleskin:
“There seems to be a history of left-wing Australians coming over here and telling us what to think, starting with Germaine Greer and John Pilger, then Peter Tatchell and now Natalie Bennett and Adam Hills, personally I think they should "do one".”

It's a bit ironic as Australia is one of the few civilised English speaking countries that still doesn't have same sex marriage yet.

Mind you, I used to have an Irish acquaintance who came over here to England to get work but would regularly complain and slang off England. And yes one day I did say to him once: "Well if you don't like it that much, you always have the free choice to go home!".
Mass Corona
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by jonbwfc:
“The right wing Australians don't tend to emirate, for much the same reasons right wing British and American people don't. If you don't like any other place in the world, you're not exactly likely to want to go and live there, are you?”

I've never understood going to somewhere you don't like at great expense.
Just don't go and save loads!
degsyhufc
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by Malliday:
“I turned off just now on +1 as soon as the issue of Syria came up. As soon as Adam Hills started saying that they'd "had a discussion before the show" about whether to show the picture of the poor little Syrian boy then I knew that this week's show was just going to be an unbearable, self-righteous, sentimentalized lecture on the migrant crisis.

Forgive me, but I'll stick to Newsnight and other serious news programmes for discussion on the migrant crisis. I don't need a comedy show shoving a cynically partisan viewpoint down my throat.

Hopefully by the next season they'll have remembered that they're meant to be a topical comedy entertainment show and give the self-righteous hectoring (great choice of word) a rest.”

It can be done as shown by John Oliver on his topical news show. He usually seems to get the ranting just at the right level.
Steve9214
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by degsyhufc:
“It can be done as shown by John Oliver on his topical news show. He usually seems to get the ranting just at the right level.”



But then Oliver's "rants" are part of an item which is well thought out and puts forward a credible argument

For anyone who does not have SKY Atlantic, here is John Oliver on the great variations in US school sex educations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eVCCzzoUOk

And here is the sex-ed film he made - which is very brilliant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szgPP5EBR8o
B_grizzle
08-09-2015
Really poor last show that was saved only by the presence of Lee Mack. One of the worst things is watching Josh, Alex and the studio audience nod along like mindless dogs, to everything Adam spouts, even when he is irrational.

Adam Hill's extreme left views only serve to make him (and his co-presenters look very stupid), because they fail to see anything with any rational or balanced perspective.

And when they look stupid enough to believe what they're preaching, they stop being funny.

...........Most viewers are intelligent enough to know that the refugee crisis is not black and white. It is not simply a case of let's save everyone from the nasty PM, with fairy dust and unicorns and everything will be wonderful.

There are consequences, logistics, infrastructure and long term impacts that all need to be considered and his bleeding heart view fails to appreciate the realities of life (mainly because he's an overpaid prat that lives in a ivory tower and gets treated with kid gloves).

If the very real impacts and consequences of aid aren't considered then it can be as damaging to the refugees themselves as to UK citizens.

- A bleeding heart will not solve the strain the NHS, primary schools and roads are under

- A bleeding heart will not solve the UK population crisis (commonly referred to as a housing crisis despite the fact the UK is now the most populous country in the EU)

It is idiotic to say Britain is not full just because by some miracle, we have managed to preserve a small amount of greenery. Clearly they have no basic understanding of ecology and the vast amounts of land that are required to support biological creatures.
..........The UK is already a tin of sardines.

- A bleeding heart will not solve the cultural issues caused by forced integration, and the consequential rise of British militants in the UK

Rest assured Adam Hills does not have to live with the consequences of his idealistic proposals:

- Adam Hills estates will be well away from any place immigrants are relocated.
- Adam Hills will not be taking any immigrants into his own sizeable estates
- Adam Hills will not have to live in and around local communities where immigrants are integrating
- Adam Hills is rich enough to never have to rely on the NHS himself, and can use private doctors, schools, security, so never has to experience what most do
- Adam Hills will never have to worry about income or unemployment

- And even if the worst comes to the worst and Britain goes t!ts up, Adam Hills can bu$$er off back to Australia as soon as the going gets tough

Since this man doesn't have to live with any consequences from the actions he is proposing, his opinion isn't worth anything.

Time to get this man off the show and get a more balanced presenter on.
walterwhite
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by B_grizzle:
“Really poor last show that was saved only by the presence of Lee Mack. One of the worst things is watching Josh, Alex and the studio audience nod along like mindless dogs, to everything Adam spouts, even when he is irrational.

Adam Hill's extreme left views only serve to make him (and his co-presenters look very stupid), because they fail to see anything with any rational or balanced perspective.

And when they look stupid enough to believe what they're preaching, they stop being funny.

...........Most viewers are intelligent enough to know that the refugee crisis is not black and white. It is not simply a case of let's save everyone from the nasty PM, with fairy dust and unicorns and everything will be wonderful.

There are consequences, logistics, infrastructure and long term impacts that all need to be considered and his bleeding heart view fails to appreciate the realities of life (mainly because he's an overpaid prat that lives in a ivory tower and gets treated with kid gloves).

If the very real impacts and consequences of aid aren't considered then it can be as damaging to the refugees themselves as to UK citizens.

- A bleeding heart will not solve the strain the NHS, primary schools and roads are under

- A bleeding heart will not solve the UK population crisis (commonly referred to as a housing crisis despite the fact the UK is now the most populous country in the EU)

It is idiotic to say Britain is not full just because by some miracle, we have managed to preserve a small amount of greenery. Clearly they have no basic understanding of ecology and the vast amounts of land that are required to support biological creatures.
..........The UK is already a tin of sardines.

- A bleeding heart will not solve the cultural issues caused by forced integration, and the consequential rise of British militants in the UK

Rest assured Adam Hills does not have to live with the consequences of his idealistic proposals:

- Adam Hills estates will be well away from any place immigrants are relocated.
- Adam Hills will not be taking any immigrants into his own sizeable estates
- Adam Hills will not have to live in and around local communities where immigrants are integrating
- Adam Hills is rich enough to never have to rely on the NHS himself, and can use private doctors, schools, security, so never has to experience what most do
- Adam Hills will never have to worry about income or unemployment

- And even if the worst comes to the worst and Britain goes t!ts up, Adam Hills can bu$$er off back to Australia as soon as the going gets tough

Since this man doesn't have to live with any consequences from the actions he is proposing, his opinion isn't worth anything.

Time to get this man off the show and get a more balanced presenter on.”

Is that you Nigel?
niceguy1966
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by B_grizzle:
“Really poor last show that was saved only by the presence of Lee Mack. One of the worst things is watching Josh, Alex and the studio audience nod along like mindless dogs, to everything Adam spouts, even when he is irrational.

Adam Hill's extreme left views only serve to make him (and his co-presenters look very stupid), because they fail to see anything with any rational or balanced perspective.

And when they look stupid enough to believe what they're preaching, they stop being funny.

...........Most viewers are intelligent enough to know that the refugee crisis is not black and white. It is not simply a case of let's save everyone from the nasty PM, with fairy dust and unicorns and everything will be wonderful.

There are consequences, logistics, infrastructure and long term impacts that all need to be considered and his bleeding heart view fails to appreciate the realities of life (mainly because he's an overpaid prat that lives in a ivory tower and gets treated with kid gloves).

If the very real impacts and consequences of aid aren't considered then it can be as damaging to the refugees themselves as to UK citizens.

- A bleeding heart will not solve the strain the NHS, primary schools and roads are under

- A bleeding heart will not solve the UK population crisis (commonly referred to as a housing crisis despite the fact the UK is now the most populous country in the EU)

It is idiotic to say Britain is not full just because by some miracle, we have managed to preserve a small amount of greenery. Clearly they have no basic understanding of ecology and the vast amounts of land that are required to support biological creatures.
..........The UK is already a tin of sardines.

- A bleeding heart will not solve the cultural issues caused by forced integration, and the consequential rise of British militants in the UK

Rest assured Adam Hills does not have to live with the consequences of his idealistic proposals:

- Adam Hills estates will be well away from any place immigrants are relocated.
- Adam Hills will not be taking any immigrants into his own sizeable estates
- Adam Hills will not have to live in and around local communities where immigrants are integrating
- Adam Hills is rich enough to never have to rely on the NHS himself, and can use private doctors, schools, security, so never has to experience what most do
- Adam Hills will never have to worry about income or unemployment

- And even if the worst comes to the worst and Britain goes t!ts up, Adam Hills can bu$$er off back to Australia as soon as the going gets tough

Since this man doesn't have to live with any consequences from the actions he is proposing, his opinion isn't worth anything.

Time to get this man off the show and get a more balanced presenter on.”

PLEASE apply to be in the studio audience next series and heckle. It will be hilarious.

By the way, Britain is not the most populous country in the EU.
We have not preserved only a small amount of greenery.

You seem to know a lot more about Adam Hills than me. Are you his mum?
Steve9214
08-09-2015
Chris Evans always said you could tell which of a musician's output was pre and "post mansion".

These days it probably also applies to stand up comedians as well.
B_grizzle
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“PLEASE apply to be in the studio audience next series and heckle. It will be hilarious.”

Great idea!.....in the meantime maybe start on twitter.....

"is it okay to wipe that patronising smirk off that condescending looney left ozzie that thinks he is better than everyone with his overly simplistic answer to everything"
Hash tag ShutyafaceyadumbOzzie

Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“ By the way, Britain is not the most populous country in the EU.”

You are right,.....the U.K is expected to overtake Germany by 2050 with 77.2 million people, compared to Germany's 74.7 million


Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“ We have not preserved only a small amount of greenery.”

Actually compared to the population density it IS a small amount of greenery particularly in and around highly populated areas. Greenbelts and wildlife habitats are continually being devastated by Britain's growing appetite for new housing.

After the Netherlands, England, without the other sparsely-populated constituent parts of the UK, is the SECOND most densely settled country in Europe, and has over 10 times the population density of the US.
The_Bonobo
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by B_grizzle:
“After the Netherlands, England, without the other sparsely-populated constituent parts of the UK, is the SECOND most densely settled country in Europe, and has over 10 times the population density of the US.”

Firstly I broadly agree with much of your post above. I was actually moaning during the show about how over-simplistic his ranting about the migrant issue was.

As for the quote above, however, you cannot just arbitrarily remove parts of the UK to make your point. That is surely being selective simply because it suits you. This is made worse by then comparing to the US without acknowledging the widely varying population densities across that country. For instance, how does England compare with New York City? Yes that is not a fair comparison but suits my point. I know a lot of places are not habitable but that is the same for many other countries so should be considered for everyone, albeit that would be very complex to explain. That said, the relative population density of the UK to the rest of Europe is obviously still relevant (as are many of the other points you mentioned).
degsyhufc
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by B_grizzle:
“Really poor last show that was saved only by the presence of Lee Mack.”

Was it? I thought he was out of sorts and didn't add much to the show.
Richardcoulter
08-09-2015
Really gone off this show to the point of deleting my last couple of recordings of it- and I was a real fan.

Alex Brooker made a joke about a Yorkshire Town called Huddersfield the other week. This offended some people for some reason, so he apologised the week after.

All well and good until the idiot then went on to troll the people of Huddersfield with messages that contained foul language, rudeness, insulted peoples appearances and were generally pig ignorant and downright nasty.

When people complained, he resorted to further insults tainted with arrogance and brought a couple of friends to join in too. Afterwards, he deleted them and a lady said that they had taken screenshots as they were going to complain. He came back with some sarcastic remark and said that he would "only worry when she was head of a TV company".

He really is the thick, childish on screen persona that he portrays. I can't imagine any other comedian in the spotlight resorting to this behaviour.
allafix
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by B_grizzle:
“Really poor last show that was saved only by the presence of Lee Mack. One of the worst things is watching Josh, Alex and the studio audience nod along like mindless dogs, to everything Adam spouts, even when he is irrational.

Adam Hill's extreme left views only serve to make him (and his co-presenters look very stupid), because they fail to see anything with any rational or balanced perspective.

And when they look stupid enough to believe what they're preaching, they stop being funny.

...........Most viewers are intelligent enough to know that the refugee crisis is not black and white. It is not simply a case of let's save everyone from the nasty PM, with fairy dust and unicorns and everything will be wonderful.

There are consequences, logistics, infrastructure and long term impacts that all need to be considered and his bleeding heart view fails to appreciate the realities of life (mainly because he's an overpaid prat that lives in a ivory tower and gets treated with kid gloves).

If the very real impacts and consequences of aid aren't considered then it can be as damaging to the refugees themselves as to UK citizens.

- A bleeding heart will not solve the strain the NHS, primary schools and roads are under

- A bleeding heart will not solve the UK population crisis (commonly referred to as a housing crisis despite the fact the UK is now the most populous country in the EU)

It is idiotic to say Britain is not full just because by some miracle, we have managed to preserve a small amount of greenery. Clearly they have no basic understanding of ecology and the vast amounts of land that are required to support biological creatures.
..........The UK is already a tin of sardines.

- A bleeding heart will not solve the cultural issues caused by forced integration, and the consequential rise of British militants in the UK

Rest assured Adam Hills does not have to live with the consequences of his idealistic proposals:

- Adam Hills estates will be well away from any place immigrants are relocated.
- Adam Hills will not be taking any immigrants into his own sizeable estates
- Adam Hills will not have to live in and around local communities where immigrants are integrating
- Adam Hills is rich enough to never have to rely on the NHS himself, and can use private doctors, schools, security, so never has to experience what most do
- Adam Hills will never have to worry about income or unemployment

- And even if the worst comes to the worst and Britain goes t!ts up, Adam Hills can bu$$er off back to Australia as soon as the going gets tough

Since this man doesn't have to live with any consequences from the actions he is proposing, his opinion isn't worth anything.

Time to get this man off the show and get a more balanced presenter on.”

Oh great. A right wing rant complaining about a supposedly left wing rant. You seem to be imagining a lot about the thoughts and likely actions of Adam Hills and putting them as fact. Whatever else they are his views are hardly extreme left. We need compassionate voices to offset complacent politicians who wring their hands and do little.

Shame you can't enjoy the show for what it is.
degsyhufc
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by allafix:
“Shame you can't enjoy the show for what it is.”

Unfortunately it has become a little right-on lefty. Maybe they should try to get more guests on who could strike a balance.
tgabber
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by degsyhufc:
“Unfortunately it has become a little right-on lefty. Maybe they should try to get more guests on who could strike a balance.”

In your opinion.

I think the show is fantastic as it is.
The_Bonobo
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by degsyhufc:
“Unfortunately it has become a little right-on lefty. Maybe they should try to get more guests on who could strike a balance.”

I agree with this although I don't mind it having that slant so much as it does counteract much of the rest of the media (in it's own small way). I certainly think the ranting could be less condescending and it would help if it didn't simplify complex issues to the point that a sixth-former would blush.
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