Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“yeah... BB5 and BB6 were all C5's fault too...”
“yeah... BB5 and BB6 were all C5's fault too...”
They didn't bring back ex-hms for kicks and shizzle, so no.
It's all deeply distasteful
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no, they did sleep deprivation
put them in secret rooms for a long time (longer than c5 have done)
and then when everyone is really peed off, let them go at each other.
c5 is nothing new. and conflict is how the show has always run.
the show has from day 1 chosen people for their extreme 2D traits, set tasks that would produce a reaction... and like x-factor has looked at exploiting a back story
perhaps some people have only just noticed how tv is made.
put them in secret rooms for a long time (longer than c5 have done)
and then when everyone is really peed off, let them go at each other.
c5 is nothing new. and conflict is how the show has always run.
the show has from day 1 chosen people for their extreme 2D traits, set tasks that would produce a reaction... and like x-factor has looked at exploiting a back story
perhaps some people have only just noticed how tv is made.
The whole show is unrecognisable. Channel 5 have transformed into a breeding ground for bullying and towie fame seekers. Channel 4 got Big Brother right. 
Originally Posted by Wanita:
“The whole show is unrecognisable. Channel 5 have transformed into a breeding ground for bullying and towie fame seekers. Channel 4 got Big Brother right.”
“The whole show is unrecognisable. Channel 5 have transformed into a breeding ground for bullying and towie fame seekers. Channel 4 got Big Brother right.
”
c4 had cliques battling each other
c4 had sleep deprivation and tasks designed to upset housemates#
it is 10 years since fight night where viewers called the police (forget ofcom)
i wonder if you really know what it was you saw.
Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“no, they did sleep deprivation
put them in secret rooms for a long time (longer than c5 have done)
and then when everyone is really peed off, let them go at each other.
c5 is nothing new. and conflict is how the show has always run.
the show has from day 1 chosen people for their extreme 2D traits, set tasks that would produce a reaction... and like x-factor has looked at exploiting a back story
perhaps some people have only just noticed how tv is made.”
“no, they did sleep deprivation
put them in secret rooms for a long time (longer than c5 have done)
and then when everyone is really peed off, let them go at each other.
c5 is nothing new. and conflict is how the show has always run.
the show has from day 1 chosen people for their extreme 2D traits, set tasks that would produce a reaction... and like x-factor has looked at exploiting a back story
perhaps some people have only just noticed how tv is made.”
Do you think a comment like that is endearing? Or are you just hell bent on an argument? Are you the Helen of DSBB? Eh'?
I'm assuming you didn't read the OP because your response has nothing to do with the argument proffered and everything to do with your own historical feelings on the show. Get back to me if you've an observation on the points made.
Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“c4 had cliques battling each other
c4 had sleep deprivation and tasks designed to upset housemates#
it is 10 years since fight night where viewers called the police (forget ofcom)
i wonder if you really know what it was you saw.”
“c4 had cliques battling each other
c4 had sleep deprivation and tasks designed to upset housemates#
it is 10 years since fight night where viewers called the police (forget ofcom)
i wonder if you really know what it was you saw.”
And, again, with the embarrassingly snooty comment. Can you not just make your point?
There were cliques in BB1 - you are entirely missing the point of the conversation. If there's something else you want to talk about - other than the consequence of re-introducing former hms who have particular fan resonance in an expectation of a dichotomy of reactions to suit a particular script - feel free to start a thread.
Originally Posted by Wanita:
“The whole show is unrecognisable. Channel 5 have transformed into a breeding ground for bullying and towie fame seekers. Channel 4 got Big Brother right.”
“The whole show is unrecognisable. Channel 5 have transformed into a breeding ground for bullying and towie fame seekers. Channel 4 got Big Brother right.
”
The thing is what is bb for anymore in this country? It's totally lost its sense of identity. Having the combination of frow for channel 5 and O'connor and samwell-smith for endemol equates to a recipe for disaster. I think we've had our weakest cast to date this year. Not one person all that likeable and aimed definitely at the younger audience.
Wish we had PEJ and sharon powers back as at least with them we had credibility and a lot more transparency too. PEJ was also more imaginative and had fresh ideas each series. With samwell-smith and O'connor everything is recycled and a lot of the twists are just boring really.
The outside world contact thing should not happen, yet channel 5 seem to think it's a great idea, like they thought it would be a great idea to tamper last year with nominations so ashleigh coyle was up for eviction.
I do sense the modern day people in charge seem disinterested in the show and should bore off elsewhere.
Originally Posted by chameleon212:
“It's a shame because it was shaping up to be an interesting series until that horrid 4 in 4 out twist. The series really rapidly declined from that point onwards as demonstrated by the gradual decline in viewing figures.”
“It's a shame because it was shaping up to be an interesting series until that horrid 4 in 4 out twist. The series really rapidly declined from that point onwards as demonstrated by the gradual decline in viewing figures.”
Totally agree.
Originally Posted by Purple.:
“Totally agree.”
“Totally agree.”
Yet samwell-smith would defend his idea of that idiotic twist. He needs to tender his resignation after bb 16 and cbb 16 too. He's absolutely hopeless as boss of endemol unit initial and as boss of bb too.
Yes, agree entirely with the OP. Further I am struggling with my conscience whilst watching it. I prefer THIs forum to the show
Well the forum has always been completely mental, its all part of the fun.
But I agree that BB shouldn't have put in the ex HMs. Things really went downhill from there.
But I agree that BB shouldn't have put in the ex HMs. Things really went downhill from there.
Originally Posted by neversaydie:
“I feel your pain Patsy,the show is all about manipulation of egos showing the worst of people,
The same people who declare themselves a good person, the irony is unbelievable most would not recognise a good person if they seen one.
As you say its just a towie show now and totaly meaningless to the viewer who is being spoonfed what the producers want.
It has been a real disappointment to true BB fans.”
“I feel your pain Patsy,the show is all about manipulation of egos showing the worst of people,
The same people who declare themselves a good person, the irony is unbelievable most would not recognise a good person if they seen one.
As you say its just a towie show now and totaly meaningless to the viewer who is being spoonfed what the producers want.
It has been a real disappointment to true BB fans.”
Programmes evolve over the years, but this one should come under the Trades Description Act, calling itself Big Brother, it is nothing at all like BB. Games have rules, this programme has none except that BB has the right to change rules at the drop of a hat, depending on whether they think the programme is going the way they want it to or not.
They seem to be dragging the worst sorts of argumentative people to join the show, just to give us what they call entertainment. I want to watch a balances GAME SHOW, not an excuse to put in ex HMs to generate dissention amongst those who they originally chose.
The originals have been shafted out of their experience this year especially, and the focus has been on those who BB have decided are more entertaining. Entertaining my backside, it is now blimmin boring watching Marc and whoever he is rattling at, at the expense of whatever the other HMs are doing.
Balance BB, balance, that is what programming is about, it doesn't take much common sense to achieve that.
CH5 put in so many twists that they just aren't even twists anymore. They're not exciting just dull, predictable and boring. They engineered a couple of the massive arguments by putting in the question cards that they knew would provoke. Its all so contrived now its more like a soap opera than a reality show. The people they choose are generally awful. Anyone with an agent or previous TV work should be barred from entering.
No wonder they don't want to allow live feed because it's only without that, that what goes on can be manipulated for the highlights show to show the storyline CH5 want.
I'd never vote on the thing because its pointless. The winner will be whoever CH5 want to win.
No wonder they don't want to allow live feed because it's only without that, that what goes on can be manipulated for the highlights show to show the storyline CH5 want.
I'd never vote on the thing because its pointless. The winner will be whoever CH5 want to win.
Originally Posted by Croctacus:
“CH5 put in so many twists that they just aren't even twists anymore. They're not exciting just dull, predictable and boring. They engineered a couple of the massive arguments by putting in the question cards that they knew would provoke. Its all so contrived now its more like a soap opera than a reality show. The people they choose are generally awful. Anyone with an agent or previous TV work should be barred from entering.
No wonder they don't want to allow live feed because it's only without that, that what goes on can be manipulated for the highlights show to show the storyline CH5 want.
I'd never vote on the thing because its pointless. The winner will be whoever CH5 want to win.”
“CH5 put in so many twists that they just aren't even twists anymore. They're not exciting just dull, predictable and boring. They engineered a couple of the massive arguments by putting in the question cards that they knew would provoke. Its all so contrived now its more like a soap opera than a reality show. The people they choose are generally awful. Anyone with an agent or previous TV work should be barred from entering.
No wonder they don't want to allow live feed because it's only without that, that what goes on can be manipulated for the highlights show to show the storyline CH5 want.
I'd never vote on the thing because its pointless. The winner will be whoever CH5 want to win.”
yep..........winner picked from the start..
As I've said on previous threads, I think it's about over-sensationalising which leads to numbing for the viewers, and therefore demands even more sensationalising in order to get reactions/ratings. Former BBs all had elements of conflict, most had some kind of outside interaction/interference - it's just that now we the viewers can't stand to be patient and watch things gradually unfold. We believe that this is 'boring'. So to appease us the producers introduce more and more of the same, try to wind us up more and more. So we are all caught in a vicious cycle. I don't know what the antidote could be - although I suspect it lies in Celeb BB, where a wide variety of ages, experiences, intelligences, wits and opinions are introduced so that the CONTENT is interesting, rather than just the plot.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Thank you!
I know - the Irish TV channel stuff is really laughable. BB has a non-existent Irish audience and it's being shown on TV3 as well as Ch5 here makes no difference to that, as far as I can see. The same posters waffling about Marc's connections had very little to say about Vic and Danny's friendship; or Simon and Ashley's associations. The show is rife with z-list inter-connections but, strangely, it's only the Irish element that's a problem.”
“Thank you!
I know - the Irish TV channel stuff is really laughable. BB has a non-existent Irish audience and it's being shown on TV3 as well as Ch5 here makes no difference to that, as far as I can see. The same posters waffling about Marc's connections had very little to say about Vic and Danny's friendship; or Simon and Ashley's associations. The show is rife with z-list inter-connections but, strangely, it's only the Irish element that's a problem.”
Agree with everything you have said throughout this thread, except the Simon and Ashleyns associations, we know she made a swipe at him when she went in about them being "friends", transpires one "facebooked" the other, and Simon was puzzled by her comment by saying he had never met her before, and had only spoken to her about twice on Facebook.
Good post OP. I agree with every word. I switched off last year, it was so blatantly "fixed". The few eipisodes I did watch were so unpleasant I felt I would never watch again. However, this year I decided to give it a go, but have almost given up as it is a repeat of last year's show.
Originally Posted by who, me?:
“As I've said on previous threads, I think it's about over-sensationalising which leads to numbing for the viewers, and therefore demands even more sensationalising in order to get reactions/ratings. Former BBs all had elements of conflict, most had some kind of outside interaction/interference - it's just that now we the viewers can't stand to be patient and watch things gradually unfold. We believe that this is 'boring'. So to appease us the producers introduce more and more of the same, try to wind us up more and more. So we are all caught in a vicious cycle. I don't know what the antidote could be - although I suspect it lies in Celeb BB, where a wide variety of ages, experiences, intelligences, wits and opinions are introduced so that the CONTENT is interesting, rather than just the plot.”
“As I've said on previous threads, I think it's about over-sensationalising which leads to numbing for the viewers, and therefore demands even more sensationalising in order to get reactions/ratings. Former BBs all had elements of conflict, most had some kind of outside interaction/interference - it's just that now we the viewers can't stand to be patient and watch things gradually unfold. We believe that this is 'boring'. So to appease us the producers introduce more and more of the same, try to wind us up more and more. So we are all caught in a vicious cycle. I don't know what the antidote could be - although I suspect it lies in Celeb BB, where a wide variety of ages, experiences, intelligences, wits and opinions are introduced so that the CONTENT is interesting, rather than just the plot.”
bib - I think that's a huge part of it. Slowly TV in general has dumbed-down.
We turn on a TV show and, more often than not, there's a bit at the beginning highlighting what we are about to see. Is it that they think we have no patience, are too thick, that they think we won't stay and watch if we don't see half of the show in a preview before we actually watch the real show? Then they do it again at the ad break. It's not just BB that does this.
I do think that (in general terms) people have no patience anymore, they want something and they want it now, especially the younger generation who are used to seeing everything straight away, you can take a photo and spread it around Facebook, Twitter, wherever instantly, everybody films everything, everybody sees everything. Life is instantaneous, but we want it quicker (the general 'we').
Then there's this dreadful word 'boring'. It's overused and, seemingly, over-felt. Boredom doesn't exist, I say this regularly to my daughter, I've said it all my life. But now, with regard to BB, conversation is boring, no fights is boring, having fun is boring, being a regular person is boring.... over-using this bloody word is tres boring
This constant need for stimulation, excitement, faster rides, scarier rides, blood, gore, nastiness, let's watch a beheading on YouTube, the press wanting to show us dead and mutilated bodies instead of just telling us they are there (that used to be more than satisfactory). It's almost as if there's a constant need for an adrenalin rush and, with so much of that available, people become immune to what they are seeing so it has to be more, scarier, harder, faster, and we end up with a de-sensitised, emotionless society whose empathy has been whittled away one thrill at a time.
We live in a society where people would rather film somebody being run over than phoning 999; film somebody being beaten up than phoning 999... then, instead of going to the police, stick the film on YouTube for the court of the dumbed-down public to judge.
It's no wonder that BB's gone down the pan... what they have done is simply reflect what they think people want (at least the people they want or hope will view the show), and based upon what they see going on out here, it's not too surprising that they think everybody wants what they (BB) are currently providing.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I think I'm only now realising quite how much Ch5/Endemol have changed this show. I resigned myself a couple of years ago to it being completely different and decided that it was going to be a personal decision whether or not I wanted to watch a splice between BB as we knew it and TOWIE. That's what Ch5 are selling.
This year, though, it's all turned excessively awful. They brought back Nikki, a young woman who admitted in one of her first televised conversations that she is more or less unemployable; because she'd been in BB and has no qualifications and there's really nothing for you after the show except for the odd trash mag crumb. A clearly unhealthy young woman being used - again - for ratings. They brought back Helen - a very negative, aggressive winner who turned viewers into seething bundles of. I fell for it last year, I was one of those seeking bundles. And so they bring her back this year to engender a bit more seething .
Take a look at the first pages of the first few threads on the board. Everything from calling her satan to 'it' is acceptable and applauded. She's the worst 'thing' on the planet; apparently. Not just a pantomime figure that TV executives got such a kick out of parading for the jeering Romans last year that they decided, lazily and contemptuously of the viewer, to repeat the spectacle this year. It's exploitative of her and it's exploitative of us.
Then there's Brian, who was undoubtedly brought in to be the anti-Helen and 'stand up to the evil bully'. He tried his best to play the role and undoubtedly upset and distressed himself (and us) in the process. The problem was that he wasn't up to the mark; so they decided to bring in Aisleyne too.
The last I heard of Aisleyne, posters on here were salivating in their scorn at pictures of her waiting outside Amy Winehouse's house after her tragic death was announced. The things she was called for doing that. The sanctimonious revelling in how pathetic her hanger-on place in the world is post-BB.
This is not a 'flounce' before the usual suspects pile in without the ability to formulate a reasoned response; it's an attempt to start a discussion about whether or not BB has passed the point of no return in terms of manipulation purely for the sake of engendering nastiness - nastiness that far outstrips anything actually happening in the house; ironically enough.
I've stopped watching and won't watch until the past hms have gone. I might start watching again then, or I might not. I might watch next year and I might not. Apart from a few episodes around the Conor incident; it's the only time since the first episode of the first series that I've stopped.”
“I think I'm only now realising quite how much Ch5/Endemol have changed this show. I resigned myself a couple of years ago to it being completely different and decided that it was going to be a personal decision whether or not I wanted to watch a splice between BB as we knew it and TOWIE. That's what Ch5 are selling.
This year, though, it's all turned excessively awful. They brought back Nikki, a young woman who admitted in one of her first televised conversations that she is more or less unemployable; because she'd been in BB and has no qualifications and there's really nothing for you after the show except for the odd trash mag crumb. A clearly unhealthy young woman being used - again - for ratings. They brought back Helen - a very negative, aggressive winner who turned viewers into seething bundles of
. I fell for it last year, I was one of those seeking bundles. And so they bring her back this year to engender a bit more seething .Take a look at the first pages of the first few threads on the board. Everything from calling her satan to 'it' is acceptable and applauded. She's the worst 'thing' on the planet; apparently. Not just a pantomime figure that TV executives got such a kick out of parading for the jeering Romans last year that they decided, lazily and contemptuously of the viewer, to repeat the spectacle this year. It's exploitative of her and it's exploitative of us.
Then there's Brian, who was undoubtedly brought in to be the anti-Helen and 'stand up to the evil bully'. He tried his best to play the role and undoubtedly upset and distressed himself (and us) in the process. The problem was that he wasn't up to the mark; so they decided to bring in Aisleyne too.
The last I heard of Aisleyne, posters on here were salivating in their scorn at pictures of her waiting outside Amy Winehouse's house after her tragic death was announced. The things she was called for doing that. The sanctimonious revelling in how pathetic her hanger-on place in the world is post-BB.
This is not a 'flounce' before the usual suspects pile in without the ability to formulate a reasoned response; it's an attempt to start a discussion about whether or not BB has passed the point of no return in terms of manipulation purely for the sake of engendering nastiness - nastiness that far outstrips anything actually happening in the house; ironically enough.
I've stopped watching and won't watch until the past hms have gone. I might start watching again then, or I might not. I might watch next year and I might not. Apart from a few episodes around the Conor incident; it's the only time since the first episode of the first series that I've stopped.”
Brilliant post and all I wanted to say myself but unable since unfortunate "occurrence " on New Years Eve ( it's getting better all the time ).
I think I too have now had enough of the charade and time to pull the plug. This series in particular really is dire.
But who knows - I always hope for the best every year !
The idea that an entertainment show can instigate mind games between it's participants, well iv never heard of the like. I wonder if people understood what Big Brother actually was, would they still watch? If they have realized, do they pretend it's something else, as the truth offends them.
If the answer is yes, then perhaps the show can continue, although where can it possibly go from here without braking the law. If the answer is no, then people need to catch on quick, stop watching or complain to Ofcom, right letters, do what ever feels good. Make the producers change.
If the answer is yes, then perhaps the show can continue, although where can it possibly go from here without braking the law. If the answer is no, then people need to catch on quick, stop watching or complain to Ofcom, right letters, do what ever feels good. Make the producers change.
Oh Muggins...you say succinctly what is going through my head. Within society today, many (not just the young) want everything yesterday.
In addition to your observations another aspect of modern society is people who don't look after their health who have bought into the "there has to be a drug/supplement to fix me with no effort on my part"
Different scenario, I know, but also highlights the attitude of the need for hyperstimulation and quick fixing.
I can empathise with the OP's sentiments. The show become a contrived with no allowing of seeing characters develop or disintegrate naturally...everything is forced on. I think it could be saved if the next BB was left to run a natural course with only innovative tasks as producer input.......but maybe that is too boring for some
In addition to your observations another aspect of modern society is people who don't look after their health who have bought into the "there has to be a drug/supplement to fix me with no effort on my part"
Different scenario, I know, but also highlights the attitude of the need for hyperstimulation and quick fixing.
I can empathise with the OP's sentiments. The show become a contrived with no allowing of seeing characters develop or disintegrate naturally...everything is forced on. I think it could be saved if the next BB was left to run a natural course with only innovative tasks as producer input.......but maybe that is too boring for some
Originally Posted by WeeJintyMcGinty:
“The C5 version of BB is all about bringing the worst out of the HMs and the viewers by constantly prodding us all with a big pointy stick. It works too, if I've had a drink or two I always get sucked into the shite. I've never had a problem switching off when it's become too much for me to bear, the challenge is not to watch a series from the start... but I really think I've had enough now, this series has been a farcical mess, the 4 out 4 in being a watershed moment. Now the precedent has been set, it can only get worse.
Tonight I'll be watching the Arthur Ashe documentary instead of BB - far more uplifting and inspirational.”
“The C5 version of BB is all about bringing the worst out of the HMs and the viewers by constantly prodding us all with a big pointy stick. It works too, if I've had a drink or two I always get sucked into the shite. I've never had a problem switching off when it's become too much for me to bear, the challenge is not to watch a series from the start... but I really think I've had enough now, this series has been a farcical mess, the 4 out 4 in being a watershed moment. Now the precedent has been set, it can only get worse.
Tonight I'll be watching the Arthur Ashe documentary instead of BB - far more uplifting and inspirational.”
True for me.....
Hi Pats,
Fantastic post and sums up my feelings on the "show" in a nutshell. To put it succinctly, it's not Big Brother anymore. I think the problem is we live in a throwaway society, people are living at a 100 miles an hour and want their entertainment in bite size chunks and they want it quickly. No longer can they wait for housemates relationships and interactions to slowly evolve naturally over time, no they want conflict, arguments, showmances etc from the off. Producers therefore have to manipulate the situation to provide what the current viewers want. I'm not one of them by the way.
The killer question is, did the viewer become this way because the producers started messing with the format over time or did the viewer force the producers to come up with ever more outrageous storylines to suit their needs. A definite chicken and the egg situation I think.
Fantastic post and sums up my feelings on the "show" in a nutshell. To put it succinctly, it's not Big Brother anymore. I think the problem is we live in a throwaway society, people are living at a 100 miles an hour and want their entertainment in bite size chunks and they want it quickly. No longer can they wait for housemates relationships and interactions to slowly evolve naturally over time, no they want conflict, arguments, showmances etc from the off. Producers therefore have to manipulate the situation to provide what the current viewers want. I'm not one of them by the way.
The killer question is, did the viewer become this way because the producers started messing with the format over time or did the viewer force the producers to come up with ever more outrageous storylines to suit their needs. A definite chicken and the egg situation I think.
Originally Posted by Pilotofthestorm:
“Hi Pats,
Fantastic post and sums up my feelings on the "show" in a nutshell. To put it succinctly, it's not Big Brother anymore. I think the problem is we live in a throwaway society, people are living at a 100 miles an hour and want their entertainment in bite size chunks and they want it quickly. No longer can they wait for housemates relationships and interactions to slowly evolve naturally over time, no they want conflict, arguments, showmances etc from the off. Producers therefore have to manipulate the situation to provide what the current viewers want. I'm not one of them by the way.
The killer question is, did the viewer become this way because the producers started messing with the format over time or did the viewer force the producers to come up with ever more outrageous storylines to suit their needs. A definite chicken and the egg situation I think.”
“Hi Pats,
Fantastic post and sums up my feelings on the "show" in a nutshell. To put it succinctly, it's not Big Brother anymore. I think the problem is we live in a throwaway society, people are living at a 100 miles an hour and want their entertainment in bite size chunks and they want it quickly. No longer can they wait for housemates relationships and interactions to slowly evolve naturally over time, no they want conflict, arguments, showmances etc from the off. Producers therefore have to manipulate the situation to provide what the current viewers want. I'm not one of them by the way.
The killer question is, did the viewer become this way because the producers started messing with the format over time or did the viewer force the producers to come up with ever more outrageous storylines to suit their needs. A definite chicken and the egg situation I think.”
Absolutely Pilot.
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