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The Emmerdale Discussion Thread (Spoilers in tags — Part 15)
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chitarivera
26-09-2015
Originally Posted by ianradioian:
“She has a deadpan expression all of the time because she is always sucking a lemon!”

maybe she shot Robert because he gets better lines.
grauniad
26-09-2015
Originally Posted by ianradioian:
“She has a deadpan expression all of the time because she is always sucking a lemon!”

Now, I'm not keen on Ross, but that's a bit unfair 😉
Glendarroch
26-09-2015
Originally Posted by grauniad:
“Now, I'm not keen on Ross, but that's a bit unfair 😉”

kwynne42
26-09-2015
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“I think I've sussed why Charley Webb has a deadpan expression most of the time - she's as fed up of saying the same thing over & over again as we are listening to her saying it.



I love you and I want to be with you.

I don't want to be with you any more, it was just one night.


Oh give it a rest.
Give the woman some new lines to say. Not the same old ones but with a different character each time.”

Originally Posted by ianradioian:
“She has a deadpan expression all of the time because she is always sucking a lemon!”

I've said this before but why is Emmerdale so concerned about telling us the childcare requirements of Debbie's children for every minute of the day. I mean I could probably tell you what sarah was doing at 10.30am 6 months ago last Wednesday I we barely remember Kathy and heath even exist so is Kate Oates trolling us thank goodness she will be leaving soon.
ianradioian
26-09-2015
Originally Posted by grauniad:
“Now, I'm not keen on Ross, but that's a bit unfair 😉”

sheepiefarm
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“So who does everyone think shot JR......errr I mean Robert?

My money is on Ross, he is the only person besides the Whites that could have possibly known the code the safe at Home Farm. Now I'm not exactly sure why he did it, maybe Cain paid him to and told him he'd back off and let him be with Resting Bitch Face and I also think he will frame Pete for it as his prints were on the gun and Ross said he had other ways of getting back at Pete besides killing him.”

I think it's either Andy or Aaron.

Unless either Kelvin, Ryan or Danny is leaving the show & they've managed to keep that a secret (kudos to them if they have), then there has to be some resolution to the current events so that these 3 characters can co-exist narratively in the show beyond this point.

Andy knows Robert was responsible for Katie's death - he is now also probably aware that Aaron has lied to his face about it (even making him look stupid in front of his own family).
Aaron has lied to everyone, knows he & Robert are responsible & knows Robert has manipulated him into this position (not even mentioning the fact that Robert tried to shoot him and DID shoot Paddy)

Lachlan is a big red herring - yeah, he's a psycho kid - but they've already made him a 14 year old rapist - if they then make him a 15 year old killer - then the character HAS to go - there's no return from that for a child character.

Chrissie has already been condemed by half the village for the deaths of Ruby & Val - and this storyline (trial) hasn't even been concluded yet - can't see why they'd add "killer of Robert" onto that scenario.

Lawrence - it's not his style - yeah, he deffo have no qualms "doing away" with Robert - but he wouldn't dirty his own hands - he'd use his wealth and pay someone else to do it. The timeframe doesn't allow him enough time to have organised anything.

Ashley, Paddy & Ross are all just red herrings thrown in to "muddy" the waters.


Andy being the killer, makes the two brothers "even" and would allow the storyliners to draw a line under it & move them on, but still both in the show.
But - where does he acquire a gun? - and also, that doesn't really even the score between him & Aaron - unless, of course, Aaron helps him to cover the fact up.


Aaron has a narrative loophole about acquiring a gun (we don't actually know what happened to the gun that Robert used to shoot Paddy - last seen being set down on a table at the lodge by Robert)
By shooting Robert, Aaron can assuage his own guilt for his role in Robert's actions/behaviour - put an end to the worry that Chas & Paddy have of him confessing & going to prison - and atone himself with Andy "I shot Robert for what he did to Katie"
This would give the writers a route for closure between Andy & Aaron - and would also give them a convenient "closure point" for the Robert / Aaron "love-story"

This would then allow all the characters to have closure and co-exist together in the show.



That's just how I see it from a future narrative storytelling pov - I could be completely wrong though
samcains90
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by crunchie crisp:
“Lachlan threw something into the undergrowth just before Lawrence stopped the car, was it big enough to be the gun?”

I think Lachlan found the gun after the shooting and, thinking Chrissie is the shooter, got rid of it.

I think Paddy might be the actual shooter.
Pandora.
27-09-2015
From a narrative point of view, Aaron makes the most sense.
samcains90
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Pandora.:
“From a narrative point of view, Aaron makes the most sense.”

The most boring sense.

Can we have someone else in the spotlight please?
Pandora.
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by samcains90:
“The most boring sense.

Can we have someone else in the spotlight please?”

No! The Golden Boys must be in EVERY episode EVERY week otherwise ITV will be bombarded with angry tweets about how neglected they and their fans are.
Andybear
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Pandora.:
“From a narrative point of view, Aaron makes the most sense.”

I agree and the icing on the cake would be the end of the abusive 'relationship' of Robert and Aaron.
samcains90
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Pandora.:
“No! The Golden Boys must be in EVERY episode EVERY week otherwise ITV will be bombarded with angry tweets about how neglected they and their fans are. ”

Well boo hoo!

The angry tweets are just as likely to get Emmerdale trending as happy ones. So they win either way.

Originally Posted by Andybear:
“I agree and the icing on the cake would be the end of the abusive 'relationship' of Robert and Aaron.”

The end of "Robron" cannot come quickly enough.

Though it's more likely that Robert would forgive him, showing that he can truly love and then they will live together, boring the pants off the rest of us with their domestic stroylines.
Pandora.
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“I agree and the icing on the cake would be the end of the abusive 'relationship' of Robert and Aaron.”

Absolutely! I'll be throwing a street party when that day comes.
Mark_Washingto1
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“Ross might have wanted to shoot Robert for naming him in the Home Farm 'raid' but how would Ross know where the gun ended up after he lobbed it into the river? He wouldn't know, so it probably wasn't him.
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Ross did know where the gun was, he was at the pub when Rakesh to Lawrence about the gun, you could even see him look over at them while they were having the conversation.
ME1234567
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Pandora.:
“From a narrative point of view, Aaron makes the most sense.”

I think it make most sense if it Andy rather than Aaron
Andybear
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Pandora.:
“Absolutely! I'll be throwing a street party when that day comes. ”

Great - can I come to the party
hypergreenfrog
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“I think it's either Andy or Aaron.

Unless either Kelvin, Ryan or Danny is leaving the show & they've managed to keep that a secret (kudos to them if they have), then there has to be some resolution to the current events so that these 3 characters can co-exist narratively in the show beyond this point.

[...]

That's just how I see it from a future narrative storytelling pov - I could be completely wrong though ”

Sorry for shortening your post, it just felt a bit long for a quote.

While I completely agree with your train of thought, my very similar thoughts have led me to the complete opposite conclusion.

Lately, there have been quite a few complaints about too many violent crimes going unpunished, and certain characters getting away with anything. This has me thinking that Kate Oates may not want to let the person who shot Robert get away without going to prison. After all, this was a definite murder attempt, whoever did it planned and executed their crime with the clear intention of killing their victim.

So, unless Kelvin or Danny are leaving the show - which as you say is rather unlikely as far as we know - I cannot see them being the shooter.
Whereas I'm not sure where the writers would take Lachlan's character anyway. His assault storyline has made it virtually impossible to pair him romantically with another woman, and apart from that there are hardly any other teenage characters for him to interact.
Also Chrissie... I've grown to like the character since the affair reveal, but would she really want to stay in ED after everything that has happened? Assuming Robert stays, how can she?
Multimedia81
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Amazee-Dayzee:
“Will we have to wait ANOTHER 7 months for the truth that Robert DID kill Katie to come out?”

Robert was shot on September 25th, which I reckon will be exactly 3 months ahead of the truth being revealed.

Also, on Friday we met Chloe and Tess in the bar. Chloe was played by Natasha Symms. Natasha played a job interviewer who Nicola had a run-in with, also the doctor who diagnosed Carla after she was raped by Frank, and Kate Patrick in Hollyoaks in 1997-2000.

Tess is played by Nicola "Queen of Oldham" Stephenson who has had other parts, most notably Margaret in Brookside and in Clocking Off. She will become a regular character in October.
sheepiefarm
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by hypergreenfrog:
“Sorry for shortening your post, it just felt a bit long for a quote.

While I completely agree with your train of thought, my very similar thoughts have led me to the complete opposite conclusion.

Lately, there have been quite a few complaints about too many violent crimes going unpunished, and certain characters getting away with anything. This has me thinking that Kate Oates may not want to let the person who shot Robert get away without going to prison. After all, this was a definite murder attempt, whoever did it planned and executed their crime with the clear intention of killing their victim.

So, unless Kelvin or Danny are leaving the show - which as you say is rather unlikely as far as we know - I cannot see them being the shooter. ”

Well, that would be an incredibly ironic narrative.
Kate Oates decides to narratively punish the character who makes an attempt on a character who actually has committed a murder (accidentally or otherwise)

Yeah - we'll punish Robert by having him shot - BUT - we'll send the person who shoots him to prison.


That's a bit like saying Robert Sugden is the most important character in the show - we'll make him a killer but we can get rid of any other character who tries to kill him
crunchie crisp
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Well, that would be an incredibly ironic narrative.
Kate Oates decides to narratively punish the character who makes an attempt on a character who actually has committed a murder (accidentally or otherwise)

Yeah - we'll punish Robert by having him shot - BUT - we'll send the person who shoots him to prison.


That's a bit like saying Robert Sugden is the most important character in the show - we'll make him a killer but we can get rid of any other character who tries to kill him ”

Katie was not murdered, you cannot murder anyone occidentally. She was killed occidentally and if he was charged that would be manslaughter.

I hope it was Ross or Debbie who shot him. Them or Eric
rhumble
27-09-2015
My theory is that Lawrence has paid Conner to kill Robert, or Lawrence did it himself, either way i think Lawrence had something to do with it
sheepiefarm
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by crunchie crisp:
“Katie was not murdered, you cannot murder anyone occidentally. She was killed occidentally and if he was charged that would be manslaughter.
”

Aye - I know that - but I couldn't think of any other way to put it without writing 10 paragraphs to explain it.

Calling Robert a manslaughterer just seemed odd



But anyway - my point still stands - he accidentally caused Katies death, made an attempted murder on Chas & Paddy, threatened to shoot Aaron and really did shoot Paddy.
His punishment is just to get shot, survive and then carry on as normal - whilst the character who shoots him gets sent to prison


Like I said - an incredibly ironic narrative - just to "prove" that the show doesn't always let it's criminals get "away" with it without punishment.
crunchie crisp
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Aye - I know that - but I couldn't think of any other way to put it without writing 10 paragraphs to explain it.

Calling Robert a manslaughterer just seemed odd ”

Oh come on sheepie, he has been called everything else

thought of another one, could Jai be the shooter.?
sheepiefarm
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by crunchie crisp:
“Oh come on sheepie, he has been called everything else

thought of another one, could Jai be the shooter.?”

Now c'mon crunchie - you're just listing all the characters you don't like and want to get rid off
crunchie crisp
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Now c'mon crunchie - you're just listing all the characters you don't like and want to get rid off ”

I cannot tell a lie, I did chop down that cherry tree

More characters on the hot list as they annoy
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