I have framed Tracy for the murder, just to get her out of Emmerdale.
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Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Well, that would be an incredibly ironic narrative.
Kate Oates decides to narratively punish the character who makes an attempt on a character who actually has committed a murder (accidentally or otherwise)
Yeah - we'll punish Robert by having him shot - BUT - we'll send the person who shoots him to prison.
That's a bit like saying Robert Sugden is the most important character in the show - we'll make him a killer but we can get rid of any other character who tries to kill him”
“Well, that would be an incredibly ironic narrative.
Kate Oates decides to narratively punish the character who makes an attempt on a character who actually has committed a murder (accidentally or otherwise)
Yeah - we'll punish Robert by having him shot - BUT - we'll send the person who shoots him to prison.
That's a bit like saying Robert Sugden is the most important character in the show - we'll make him a killer but we can get rid of any other character who tries to kill him
”
Ironic maybe, cynical definitely, but also how soaps work. It's not necessarily a question of which character is more important, but rather who still has more mileage.
If they'd sent Robert to prison for Katie's death back in spring, that would have been seen as quite a waste less than a year after bringing back such a famous character.
Teenage characters on the other hand often have a shelf life anyway, as do Home Farm residents of all ages. So, yes, in a way Lachlan is more easily replaceable.
Plus, it will be a lot harder to cover up the shooting than Robert's crimes, so it would be even less realistic for the shooter to live on in the village.
Originally Posted by Janet Plank:
“I have framed Tracy for the murder, just to get her out of Emmerdale.”
“I have framed Tracy for the murder, just to get her out of Emmerdale.”
Hurray!
You devious thing.
Originally Posted by hypergreenfrog:
“Ironic maybe, cynical definitely, but also how soaps work. It's not necessarily a question of which character is more important, but rather who still has more mileage.
If they'd sent Robert to prison for Katie's death back in spring, that would have been seen as quite a waste less than a year after bringing back such a famous character.
Teenage characters on the other hand often have a shelf life anyway, as do Home Farm residents of all ages. So, yes, in a way Lachlan is more easily replaceable.
Plus, it will be a lot harder to cover up the shooting than Robert's crimes, so it would be even less realistic for the shooter to live on in the village.”
“Ironic maybe, cynical definitely, but also how soaps work. It's not necessarily a question of which character is more important, but rather who still has more mileage.
If they'd sent Robert to prison for Katie's death back in spring, that would have been seen as quite a waste less than a year after bringing back such a famous character.
Teenage characters on the other hand often have a shelf life anyway, as do Home Farm residents of all ages. So, yes, in a way Lachlan is more easily replaceable.
Plus, it will be a lot harder to cover up the shooting than Robert's crimes, so it would be even less realistic for the shooter to live on in the village.”
Yeah - Home Farm does seem to have become the proverbial revolving door for the show - The last 3 producers have all installed new "families" into as part of their tenure on the show.
They've now practically removed Robert from the Home Farm set-up now - sending another one of them off to Prison would leave the Home Farm group seriously depleted from a narrative pov though.
So there are TWO guns knocking about?
The one Paddy was shot with and the one Ross chucked?
And Ross did know where his gun ended up???
Oh dear, this makes it much more interesting.
I do hope the spoiler releasers do not leak whodunnit.
It is far more interesting having everyone guessing rather than letting some people know in advance.
So.............if Ross did overhear that his gun had turned up and he knew where it was, why would he shoot Robert?
The one Paddy was shot with and the one Ross chucked?
And Ross did know where his gun ended up???
Oh dear, this makes it much more interesting.
I do hope the spoiler releasers do not leak whodunnit.
It is far more interesting having everyone guessing rather than letting some people know in advance.
So.............if Ross did overhear that his gun had turned up and he knew where it was, why would he shoot Robert?
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“So.............if Ross did overhear that his gun had turned up and he knew where it was, why would he shoot Robert?”
“So.............if Ross did overhear that his gun had turned up and he knew where it was, why would he shoot Robert?”
Apparently because the Whites paid him to do it or made him.
The point being that Lawrence just found out a day before that Ross was involved in the raid after all, and thus had no right to claim any sort of "favour" when he asked him for the cash.
We also don't know if Lawrence and Chrissie might be colluding and just putting up a facade for Lachlan.
Personally, I think the timeline doesn't supports that theory.
If Lawrence already arranged everything with Ross the day before the shooting, why was he so angry when he went to see Robert at Vic's? Why go round at all?
And if he only made up his mind after their last conversation, there was hardly time for him to contact Ross, arrange everything, or for Ross to find out where Robert was going to be and position himself accordingly.
That's just my opinion of course, I don't have the best track record for guessing the real answer.
Originally Posted by hypergreenfrog:
“Apparently because the Whites paid him to do it or made him.
The point being that Lawrence just found out a day before that Ross was involved in the raid after all, and thus had no right to claim any sort of "favour" when he asked him for the cash.
We also don't know if Lawrence and Chrissie might be colluding and just putting up a facade for Lachlan.
Personally, I think the timeline doesn't supports that theory.
If Lawrence already arranged everything with Ross the day before the shooting, why was he so angry when he went to see Robert at Vic's? Why go round at all?
And if he only made up his mind after their last conversation, there was hardly time for him to contact Ross, arrange everything, or for Ross to find out where Robert was going to be and position himself accordingly.
That's just my opinion of course, I don't have the best track record for guessing the real answer.”
“Apparently because the Whites paid him to do it or made him.
The point being that Lawrence just found out a day before that Ross was involved in the raid after all, and thus had no right to claim any sort of "favour" when he asked him for the cash.
We also don't know if Lawrence and Chrissie might be colluding and just putting up a facade for Lachlan.
Personally, I think the timeline doesn't supports that theory.
If Lawrence already arranged everything with Ross the day before the shooting, why was he so angry when he went to see Robert at Vic's? Why go round at all?
And if he only made up his mind after their last conversation, there was hardly time for him to contact Ross, arrange everything, or for Ross to find out where Robert was going to be and position himself accordingly.
That's just my opinion of course, I don't have the best track record for guessing the real answer.”
I agree with you about Lawrence.
Robert only had to cross the street and have a brief conversation with Chas before he was shot.
Not enough time for Lawrence to arrange anything with anybody. IF it was pre-arranged with Ross, then why bother going to talk to Robert and telling him he was planning on selling up and disappearing so that Robert wouldn't get any of their money
Chrissie - on the other hand - could easily be someone who'd had time to arrange for Ross to shoot Robert - she could easily have taken the gun with her to give to Ross.
But why would Ross agree to it - unless a HUGE sum of money was offered to him - and it's hardly likely that she'd have that kind of cash on her - wouldn't Ross insist on "cash up front" before killing someone?
And would he casually stroll in to Debbie's immediately after shooting Robert to say goodbye?
Plus - would Kate Oates really want to have one of her (arguably) most popular characters narratively turned into a "cold blooded killer for cash" of other show regulars?
Originally Posted by hypergreenfrog:
“Apparently because the Whites paid him to do it or made him.
The point being that Lawrence just found out a day before that Ross was involved in the raid after all, and thus had no right to claim any sort of "favour" when he asked him for the cash.
We also don't know if Lawrence and Chrissie might be colluding and just putting up a facade for Lachlan.
Personally, I think the timeline doesn't supports that theory.
If Lawrence already arranged everything with Ross the day before the shooting, why was he so angry when he went to see Robert at Vic's? Why go round at all?
And if he only made up his mind after their last conversation, there was hardly time for him to contact Ross, arrange everything, or for Ross to find out where Robert was going to be and position himself accordingly.
That's just my opinion of course, I don't have the best track record for guessing the real answer.”
“Apparently because the Whites paid him to do it or made him.
The point being that Lawrence just found out a day before that Ross was involved in the raid after all, and thus had no right to claim any sort of "favour" when he asked him for the cash.
We also don't know if Lawrence and Chrissie might be colluding and just putting up a facade for Lachlan.
Personally, I think the timeline doesn't supports that theory.
If Lawrence already arranged everything with Ross the day before the shooting, why was he so angry when he went to see Robert at Vic's? Why go round at all?
And if he only made up his mind after their last conversation, there was hardly time for him to contact Ross, arrange everything, or for Ross to find out where Robert was going to be and position himself accordingly.
That's just my opinion of course, I don't have the best track record for guessing the real answer.”
I think Cain told Ross to "get rid" of Robert in exchange for backing off of him and Debbie. Ross decided to use the gun to shoot Robert and plans to frame Pete for the murder. That is why he went to the Dingle's to drop Moses off and said he had "something important to do" and why he wanted Pete at the farm. He wanted Pete to be there alone so no one could corroborate his story.
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“I agree with you about Lawrence.
Robert only had to cross the street and have a brief conversation with Chas before he was shot.
Not enough time for Lawrence to arrange anything with anybody. IF it was pre-arranged with Ross, then why bother going to talk to Robert and telling him he was planning on selling up and disappearing so that Robert wouldn't get any of their money
Chrissie - on the other hand - could easily be someone who'd had time to arrange for Ross to shoot Robert - she could easily have taken the gun with her to give to Ross.
But why would Ross agree to it - unless a HUGE sum of money was offered to him - and it's hardly likely that she'd have that kind of cash on her - wouldn't Ross insist on "cash up front" before killing someone?
And would he casually stroll in to Debbie's immediately after shooting Robert to say goodbye?
Plus - would Kate Oates really want to have one of her (arguably) most popular characters narratively turned into a "cold blooded killer for cash" of other show regulars?”
“I agree with you about Lawrence.
Robert only had to cross the street and have a brief conversation with Chas before he was shot.
Not enough time for Lawrence to arrange anything with anybody. IF it was pre-arranged with Ross, then why bother going to talk to Robert and telling him he was planning on selling up and disappearing so that Robert wouldn't get any of their money
Chrissie - on the other hand - could easily be someone who'd had time to arrange for Ross to shoot Robert - she could easily have taken the gun with her to give to Ross.
But why would Ross agree to it - unless a HUGE sum of money was offered to him - and it's hardly likely that she'd have that kind of cash on her - wouldn't Ross insist on "cash up front" before killing someone?
And would he casually stroll in to Debbie's immediately after shooting Robert to say goodbye?
Plus - would Kate Oates really want to have one of her (arguably) most popular characters narratively turned into a "cold blooded killer for cash" of other show regulars?”
Ross definitely didn't shoot him, he couldn't even manage to shoot Pete though he really wanted to. There's no way he would shoot to kill somebody for a bit of cash. Especially when he already has the money Lawrence gave him.
It is also best if these to stroylines remain seperate from one another as much as possible.
Originally Posted by samcains90:
“Ross definitely didn't shoot him, he couldn't even manage to shoot Pete though he really wanted to. There's no way he would shoot to kill somebody for a bit of cash. Especially when he already has the money Lawrence gave him.
It is also best if these to stroylines remain seperate from one another as much as possible.”
“Ross definitely didn't shoot him, he couldn't even manage to shoot Pete though he really wanted to. There's no way he would shoot to kill somebody for a bit of cash. Especially when he already has the money Lawrence gave him.
It is also best if these to stroylines remain seperate from one another as much as possible.”
I agree.
They are making Paddy look very shifty in tonight's episode.
I think he went off with that woman he is supposed to have insulted in the Bar.
My theory is that Chas shot Robert. The scene we saw is not actually what took place. Aaron took the gun from Chas and hid it somewhere then wanted Chas to leave the scene of the crime with him. Chas is the only person Aaron would cover for. I expect the 'unique' reveal will be seeing what actually took place that night and not what took place from the viewpoint of Chas.
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“My theory is that Chas shot Robert. The scene we saw is not actually what took place. Aaron took the gun from Chas and hid it somewhere then wanted Chas to leave the scene of the crime with him. Chas is the only person Aaron would cover for. I expect the 'unique' reveal will be seeing what actually took place that night and not what took place from the viewpoint of Chas.”
“My theory is that Chas shot Robert. The scene we saw is not actually what took place. Aaron took the gun from Chas and hid it somewhere then wanted Chas to leave the scene of the crime with him. Chas is the only person Aaron would cover for. I expect the 'unique' reveal will be seeing what actually took place that night and not what took place from the viewpoint of Chas.
”
ooh interesting theory
Originally Posted by samcains90:
“Ross definitely didn't shoot him, he couldn't even manage to shoot Pete though he really wanted to. There's no way he would shoot to kill somebody for a bit of cash. Especially when he already has the money Lawrence gave him.
It is also best if these to stroylines remain seperate from one another as much as possible.”
“Ross definitely didn't shoot him, he couldn't even manage to shoot Pete though he really wanted to. There's no way he would shoot to kill somebody for a bit of cash. Especially when he already has the money Lawrence gave him.
It is also best if these to stroylines remain seperate from one another as much as possible.”
The only reason Ross didn't shoot Pete was because Debbie showed up. Ross' motive for shooting Robert wouldn't be for money. I think he plans to set Pete up for the shooting.
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“My theory is that Chas shot Robert. The scene we saw is not actually what took place. Aaron took the gun from Chas and hid it somewhere then wanted Chas to leave the scene of the crime with him. Chas is the only person Aaron would cover for. I expect the 'unique' reveal will be seeing what actually took place that night and not what took place from the viewpoint of Chas.”
“My theory is that Chas shot Robert. The scene we saw is not actually what took place. Aaron took the gun from Chas and hid it somewhere then wanted Chas to leave the scene of the crime with him. Chas is the only person Aaron would cover for. I expect the 'unique' reveal will be seeing what actually took place that night and not what took place from the viewpoint of Chas.
”
Agreed - think you've cracked it
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“I agree with you about Lawrence.
Robert only had to cross the street and have a brief conversation with Chas before he was shot.
Not enough time for Lawrence to arrange anything with anybody. IF it was pre-arranged with Ross, then why bother going to talk to Robert and telling him he was planning on selling up and disappearing so that Robert wouldn't get any of their money
Chrissie - on the other hand - could easily be someone who'd had time to arrange for Ross to shoot Robert - she could easily have taken the gun with her to give to Ross.
But why would Ross agree to it - unless a HUGE sum of money was offered to him - and it's hardly likely that she'd have that kind of cash on her - wouldn't Ross insist on "cash up front" before killing someone?
And would he casually stroll in to Debbie's immediately after shooting Robert to say goodbye?
Plus - would Kate Oates really want to have one of her (arguably) most popular characters narratively turned into a "cold blooded killer for cash" of other show regulars?”
“I agree with you about Lawrence.
Robert only had to cross the street and have a brief conversation with Chas before he was shot.
Not enough time for Lawrence to arrange anything with anybody. IF it was pre-arranged with Ross, then why bother going to talk to Robert and telling him he was planning on selling up and disappearing so that Robert wouldn't get any of their money
Chrissie - on the other hand - could easily be someone who'd had time to arrange for Ross to shoot Robert - she could easily have taken the gun with her to give to Ross.
But why would Ross agree to it - unless a HUGE sum of money was offered to him - and it's hardly likely that she'd have that kind of cash on her - wouldn't Ross insist on "cash up front" before killing someone?
And would he casually stroll in to Debbie's immediately after shooting Robert to say goodbye?
Plus - would Kate Oates really want to have one of her (arguably) most popular characters narratively turned into a "cold blooded killer for cash" of other show regulars?”
He was quite happy to risk killing others for cash. Although they were mere extras...
I don' t think it' s Ross though. His behaviour was too obviously shifty. He' s a red herring.
I hope it' s not Cain, trying to protect Chas and Aaron. Although I' m not sure he would have taken the risk when Chas was standing so close and it was dark.
I think I could be Paddy. Lachlan throwing something away was odd, but it didn' t look heavy soi doubt it was a gun.
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“He was quite happy to risk killing others for cash. Although they were mere extras...”
“He was quite happy to risk killing others for cash. Although they were mere extras...
”
Aye - well that was kinda the point I was trying to make - it's one thing having the character harming people who only appeared as extras - but another thing entirely to have him as a cold blooded killer of people in the village.
Anyhoo - I think my theory is all irrelevant now anyway
As of the shooting scene - I'm viewing Chas as I would view a woman who's in a state of shocked delusion - and Aaron's actions/behaviour being that of someone who knows his Mum shot Robert
I like the Chas theory. Just a few things that complicate it for me:
1. Where would she have got the gun from?
2. Surely at point blank range Robert's wounds would be much worse (and the police would know that he wasn't shot from afar)?
3. Why would Aaron consider turning off the machine, knowing that a murder investigation would make things 10x worse?
1. Where would she have got the gun from?
2. Surely at point blank range Robert's wounds would be much worse (and the police would know that he wasn't shot from afar)?
3. Why would Aaron consider turning off the machine, knowing that a murder investigation would make things 10x worse?
Now that Bernice is marrying into money, will she repay Jimmy and Nicola for the help by getting their house back
Originally Posted by Pandora.:
“I like the Chas theory. Just a few things that complicate it for me:
1. Where would she have got the gun from?”
“I like the Chas theory. Just a few things that complicate it for me:
1. Where would she have got the gun from?”
Home farm - she was there - Chrissie was partially drunk, the safe was open (in fact Chrissie had it in her hand at one point)
We never saw Chas leave - she could easily have pocketed it before she let.
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“2. Surely at point blank range Robert's wounds would be much worse (and the police would know that he wasn't shot from afar)?”
“2. Surely at point blank range Robert's wounds would be much worse (and the police would know that he wasn't shot from afar)?”
True - although we've had no confirmation of what the police think regard the shooting yet - but hey, it's a soap - sometimes they don't pay too much heed to the finer detail in pursuit of a narrative
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“3. Why would Aaron consider turning off the machine, knowing that a murder investigation would make things 10x worse?”
“3. Why would Aaron consider turning off the machine, knowing that a murder investigation would make things 10x worse?”
10x worse if Robert survives and tells the police Chas shot him
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Home farm - she was there - Chrissie was partially drunk, the safe was open (in fact Chrissie had it in her hand at one point)
We never saw Chas leave - she could easily have pocketed it before she let.
True - although we've had no confirmation of what the police think regard the shooting yet - but hey, it's a soap - sometimes they don't pay too much heed to the finer detail in pursuit of a narrative
10x worse if Robert survives and tells the police Chas shot him”
“Home farm - she was there - Chrissie was partially drunk, the safe was open (in fact Chrissie had it in her hand at one point)
We never saw Chas leave - she could easily have pocketed it before she let.
True - although we've had no confirmation of what the police think regard the shooting yet - but hey, it's a soap - sometimes they don't pay too much heed to the finer detail in pursuit of a narrative
10x worse if Robert survives and tells the police Chas shot him
”
The police said tonight about a footprint where they believe the shot came from. This shows it was not point blank range
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Home farm - she was there - Chrissie was partially drunk, the safe was open (in fact Chrissie had it in her hand at one point)
We never saw Chas leave - she could easily have pocketed it before she let.
True - although we've had no confirmation of what the police think regard the shooting yet - but hey, it's a soap - sometimes they don't pay too much heed to the finer detail in pursuit of a narrative
10x worse if Robert survives and tells the police Chas shot him”
“Home farm - she was there - Chrissie was partially drunk, the safe was open (in fact Chrissie had it in her hand at one point)
We never saw Chas leave - she could easily have pocketed it before she let.
True - although we've had no confirmation of what the police think regard the shooting yet - but hey, it's a soap - sometimes they don't pay too much heed to the finer detail in pursuit of a narrative
10x worse if Robert survives and tells the police Chas shot him
”
Well that's all my concerns answered.
I'm torn now.....my gut says stick with Aaron, but this is a very convincing theory.
Originally Posted by crunchie crisp:
“Now that Bernice is marrying into money, will she repay Jimmy and Nicola for the help by getting their house back”
“Now that Bernice is marrying into money, will she repay Jimmy and Nicola for the help by getting their house back”
Will she hell - she'll just constantly invite them up to Home farm so she can show off in front of Nicola
Originally Posted by crunchie crisp:
“The police said tonight about a footprint where they believe the shot came from. This shows it was not point blank range”
“The police said tonight about a footprint where they believe the shot came from. This shows it was not point blank range”
But did we see all the events as it happened?
What did we see
Chas & Robert talking
Chas telling him his life was in danger
A shot - Robert looking surprised and falling onto Chas
Aaron running to the scene - where Chas was in a complete state of shock & Aaron urging them to get away.
In her shocked delusion - has she blanked out the bit where Aaron was first on the scene and found her with the gun
Taking the gun off her and running off somewhere to dispose of it quickly
Add these into the list of events
Chas & Robert talking
Chas telling him his life was in danger
A shot - Robert looking surprised and falling onto Chas
Aaron was first on the scene and found her with the gun
Taking the gun off her and running off somewhere to dispose of it quickly
Aaron running back to the scene - where Chas was in a complete state of shock & Aaron urging them to get away.
Sounds plausible, but I like Chas so she is not on my list sheepie. Must Try Harder
It was Bernice She was keeping her fiance happy by shooting his nemesis
It was Bernice
She was keeping her fiance happy by shooting his nemesis
Originally Posted by crunchie crisp:
“Sounds plausible, but I like Chas so she is not on my list sheepie. Must Try Harder
It was Bernice She was keeping her fiance happy by shooting his nemesis”
“Sounds plausible, but I like Chas so she is not on my list sheepie. Must Try Harder
It was Bernice
She was keeping her fiance happy by shooting his nemesis”
Ahh yes - Bernice getting rid of her potential competition - she won't worry about the other women - it's just the gay blokes that she doesn't know how to compete with - if she shoots Aaron & Finn next - we'll know you're onto a winner.
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