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Old 09-07-2015, 14:43
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Come on now, he is great in really emotional scenes, I don't ever think I've seen a guy cry like him on soaps.
He can cry for England that's for sure but that's his only talent.

Bear in mind that I've had these views for a long time and my endless rants about him have annoyed people here for years.
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Old 09-07-2015, 14:44
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It's in Danny Miller's contract. He gets to wear two pairs of steel pants as well.
Only 2? you do suprise me

Meanwhile anyone fancy a slice of Passion Fruit and Coconut cake, don't normally like exotic cakes but this one is nice..
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Old 09-07-2015, 14:48
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When other than in the last month has Victoria ever had a chance to shine, certainly not since angst ridden screen hogging orange monster first came, when she was younger Victoria had lots of scenes and she was very good in them.

As for Aaron he's just terrible, I could say more but it would take up 10,000 words of rage and frustration and no one wants to see that do they?
The problem with child actors is that they often don't improve - especially on soap and they remain child actors forever. I don't doubt that her poor performances were due to a lack of experience recently and I think it's good that she was given a chance but I think she should invest in some acting lessons.
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Old 09-07-2015, 15:05
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The problem with child actors is that they often don't improve - especially on soap and they remain child actors forever. I don't doubt that her poor performances were due to a lack of experience recently and I think it's good that she was given a chance but I think she should invest in some acting lessons.
That is of course if we accept that she isn't very good which I don't.

Which is part of the fun i'd say if every liked both Victoria and Aaron and held the same views this place would be very boring.
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Old 09-07-2015, 15:13
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He can cry for England that's for sure but that's his only talent.

Bear in mind that I've had these views for a long time and my endless rants about him have annoyed people here for years.
They amuse me greatly.

Only 2? you do suprise me

Meanwhile anyone fancy a slice of Passion Fruit and Coconut cake, don't normally like exotic cakes but this one is nice..
Yes please, I'm starving.
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Old 09-07-2015, 15:24
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Kate Oates said earlier in the year that Lawrence's troubled past would be revisited later this year. Has that happened yet and I can't remember it? I don't like all this dodgy heart talk. Surely they wouldn't kill him off yet, would they?
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Old 09-07-2015, 15:28
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That is of course if we accept that she isn't very good which I don't.

Which is part of the fun i'd say if every liked both Victoria and Aaron and held the same views this place would be very boring.
Of course and, for the record, I love your posts even if I don't always agree.
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Old 09-07-2015, 15:29
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He can cry for England that's for sure but that's his only talent.

Bear in mind that I've had these views for a long time and my endless rants about him have annoyed people here for years.
LOL well you are entitled to your opinion. I do think he's an amazing actor, Aaron's coming out story and Danny Miller's acting in it was what first got me watching Emmerdale.
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Old 09-07-2015, 15:40
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Kate Oates said earlier in the year that Lawrence's troubled past would be revisited later this year. Has that happened yet and I can't remember it? I don't like all this dodgy heart talk. Surely they wouldn't kill him off yet, would they?
I know he and Edna had a talk in the café about his past a few weeks/months ago after she made that comment, so it could of just been that. But I think it's more likely that this "revisiting" his past with involve the affair reveal, as there are similarities in his story and Robert/Aaron's affair.

Also, the actor told someone on Twitter yesterday that he wasn't going anywhere... and unless he was lying to protect the fact, I don't think he'll die. The doctor check-up stuff yesterday was just a way to explain why he's putting Robert in his will, and the enterprise award is a reason for him to be involved in the scrap yard and involved with Aaron.
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Old 09-07-2015, 15:53
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If she wasn't a Sugden the character would have been axed years ago. The actress has actually got worse at her job which should be a worry.
I agree but they could send her on a visit to Annie for a new head.

Imo a good actor is one who is good enough to step into a good drama with a well respected cast and take the lead role. How any say Michael Parr is anywhere near that level at this moment in time? For me the male acting in ED is quite poor. I'd say that only the ones who play Cain, Ross, Robert and Lawrence are average or a bit above that.
There are a lot of really bad ones.
I'll agree with Cain and Lawrence, not Ross or Robert. They don't convince me. I think they have a lot of learning to do. Have either of them been in anything else?

Only if he's going down the acting drain where that character belongs, danny Miller thinks showing emotion is stroking his beard, and showing grief and sadness stroking his beard twice.
And popping a tear stick.



As for Aaron he's just terrible, I could say more but it would take up 10,000 words of rage and frustration and no one wants to see that do they?
Oh, feel free!

Kate Oates said earlier in the year that Lawrence's troubled past would be revisited later this year. Has that happened yet and I can't remember it? I don't like all this dodgy heart talk. Surely they wouldn't kill him off yet, would they?
I thought they covered his 'troubled past' in his conversation with Edna. Is there more then?
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Old 09-07-2015, 15:57
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Danny Miller is marginally better than Ryan Hawley, but neither of them are particularly great.
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Old 09-07-2015, 16:18
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I know he and Edna had a talk in the café about his past a few weeks/months ago after she made that comment, so it could of just been that. But I think it's more likely that this "revisiting" his past with involve the affair reveal, as there are similarities in his story and Robert/Aaron's affair.

Also, the actor told someone on Twitter yesterday that he wasn't going anywhere... and unless he was lying to protect the fact, I don't think he'll die. The doctor check-up stuff yesterday was just a way to explain why he's putting Robert in his will, and the enterprise award is a reason for him to be involved in the scrap yard and involved with Aaron.
Did he? I'm relieved. I keep wondering if he's on his way out - they've made almost no use of him since he arrived, except hanging round in the background of Lachlan's story, and I still really like him.

That scene he had with Robert early on, where Robert told him he'd been stringing him along, was just SO good. And then it felt like the whole Rob v Larry thing got ditched so Rob could go off and make Aaron cry. I'd honestly rather have had Lawrence.
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Old 09-07-2015, 16:26
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Danny Miller is marginally better than Ryan Hawley, but neither of them are particularly great.
He held his own in Scott and Bailey, working with good actors
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Old 09-07-2015, 16:28
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LOL well you are entitled to your opinion. I do think he's an amazing actor, Aaron's coming out story and Danny Miller's acting in it was what got me watching Emmerdale.
Yes the amazing Danny Miller is right up there alongside the triple Oscar winning Daniel Day Lewis in the amazing acting stakes.
If he's so amazing why is he back where he started instead of being the star of quality dramas and movies his amazing talent deserves? I'll tell you why he ain't all that good.
At best he's an average soap level actor who's now at the level his talent deserves as are most of the cast in ED and other soaps. He does look like DD Lewis when compared to the likes of Kirin, Jai, Rishi, Adam, David, Pete, Lochlan, Dan, Jimmy.
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Old 09-07-2015, 16:45
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I know he and Edna had a talk in the café about his past a few weeks/months ago after she made that comment, so it could of just been that. But I think it's more likely that this "revisiting" his past with involve the affair reveal, as there are similarities in his story and Robert/Aaron's affair.

Also, the actor told someone on Twitter yesterday that ★he wasn't going anywhere★... and unless he was lying to protect the fact, I don't think he'll die. The doctor check-up stuff yesterday was just a way to explain why he's putting Robert in his will, and the enterprise award is a reason for him to be involved in the scrap yard and involved with Aaron.
★...★: Glad to hear that!

Thanks DTK! I can't wait to see him find out about Rob
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Old 09-07-2015, 16:50
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Yes the amazing Danny Miller is right up there alongside the triple Oscar winning Daniel Day Lewis in the amazing acting stakes.
If he's so amazing why is he back where he started instead of being the star of quality dramas and movies his amazing talent deserves? I'll tell you why he ain't all that good.
At best he's an average soap level actor who's now at the level his talent deserves as are most of the cast in ED and other soaps. He does look like DD Lewis when compared to the likes of Kirin, Jai, Rishi, Adam, David, Pete, Lochlan, Dan, Jimmy.
I think he's pretty good, IDK if his acting ability has anything to do with his success or lack there of. There are quite a few actors in Hollywood that aren't very talented like Nicholas Cage. One of the worst soap actors ever Jessie Metcalf some how made it off Passions and on to Desperate Housewives and Dallas 2.0. Overall though I think the acting on British Soaps is much better than the US soaps although there are a couple like Victoria who might be average, there aren't any hair models which the US soaps are full of.
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Old 09-07-2015, 16:57
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Did he? I'm relieved. I keep wondering if he's on his way out - they've made almost no use of him since he arrived, except hanging round in the background of Lachlan's story, and I still really like him.

★ That scene he had with Robert early on, where Robert told him he'd been stringing him along, was just SO good★ And then it felt like the whole ■Rob v Larry thing got ditched so Rob could go off and make Aaron cry. I'd honestly rather have had Lawrence.
★...★: I've watched that scene several times. I love it!

■ Sounds like Larry is staying put so hopefully we'll be getting more Rob v Lawrence soon!

And Rob v Chrissie

Would like some more Rob v Cain too
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Old 09-07-2015, 17:02
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Does anyone else find it weird that in RobRon sex scenes Robert always ends up half naked and Aaron never even takes off his hoodie?
Aaron doesn't need to take off his hoodie. Rob's going for somewhere south of hoodie ville
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Old 09-07-2015, 17:23
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I think he's pretty good, IDK if his acting ability has anything to do with his success or lack there of. There are quite a few actors in Hollywood that aren't very talented like Nicholas Cage. One of the worst soap actors ever Jessie Metcalf some how made it off Passions and on to Desperate Housewives and Dallas 2.0. Overall though I think the acting on British Soaps is much better than the US soaps although there are a couple like Victoria who might be average, there aren't any hair models which the US soaps are full of.
There's plenty UK soap actresses who are not hair models who cannot act to save their lives. Gail Platt in CS is atrocious. Ali, Rachel, Ruby, Priya, Val in ED.. Some in HO.
I'm not saying Miller is bad because he isn't. There's nothing wrong being an average soap actor in a steady job earning a good living.
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Old 09-07-2015, 17:39
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He held his own in Scott and Bailey, working with good actors
Not for long.
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Old 09-07-2015, 17:40
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★...★: I've watched that scene several times. I love it!

■ Sounds like Larry is staying put so hopefully we'll be getting more Rob v Lawrence soon!

And Rob v Chrissie

Would like some more Rob v Cain too
HELL YES.

Aaron doesn't need to take off his hoodie. Rob's going for somewhere south of hoodie ville
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Old 09-07-2015, 17:44
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Imo a good actor is one who is good enough to step into a good drama with a well respected cast and take the lead role. How any say Michael Parr is anywhere near that level at this moment in time? For me the male acting in ED is quite poor. I'd say that only the ones who play Cain, Ross, Robert and Lawrence are average or a bit above that.
There are a lot of really bad ones.
I would say these actors are you mention are capable of that. I'm not an expert but I would say rhat if they can turb in credible performances with their workload and lack of rehearsal time then given a piece with more time to rehearse etc they could do extremely well. I like the attitude of jobbing actors who will like the rest of us, take what work comes their way. On another thread, you referred to Life on Mars as being ab example of a quality drama, particularly the acting of John Simm Glenister. These are both actors that I like, but there was nothing challenging about either role, one character was an unbelievable cliche and the other insantly forgettable. both actors coulddo these parts in their sleep and I'm pretty sure Jeff Hordley and John Bowe could. By the way, you might be interested in Jeff's recent very moving performance in the BBC Radio play 'Dirt' if it's still on Iplayer, alongside Hugo Speer.

I've seen actors who I've never heard of put in really good performances, iften holding their own against established ones. I've seen oscar winning actors be cringeworthy and theatre greats really struggling on Coronation St. I remember being pleasantly surprised that it was the under rated Nigel Havers who was by far the best of all the big names.

I daresay that many had similar attitudes about Sarah Lancashire and Suranne Jones (who by the way has also worked with Jeff). These actresses are great at playing ordinary, everyday people in abnormal situations. Daniel Day Lewis is great at playing extraordinary people but I wonder how well he could do 'the man in the street?'Especially with little rehearsal and preparation time.

Yes. in an ideal world ALL talented actors would get the chance to develop their skills in a range of media but that will never happen in acting any more than in other career paths.

The few who do get regular work - enough for them to make a living without signing on - haven't done it based on talent alone, but luck, persistance, location, family,an eye for a good opportunity, self confidence will have all played their parts
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Old 09-07-2015, 18:09
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I remember years ago reading an article about Linus Roache, it was a long time ago when he was playing the part of a priest in BBC drama. He was asked at the time about his father's success as an actor. He said at the time that he did not consider what his father did as acting because the lines were blurred between who was Ken and who was William as he had been Ken Barlow since he was a child. Actor's need to stretch themselves to refine their craft and soap actors do not do that by playing the same character for decades.
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Old 09-07-2015, 19:13
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Yes the amazing Danny Miller is right up there alongside the triple Oscar winning Daniel Day Lewis in the amazing acting stakes.
If he's so amazing why is he back where he started instead of being the star of quality dramas and movies his amazing talent deserves? I'll tell you why he ain't all that good.
At best he's an average soap level actor who's now at the level his talent deserves as are most of the cast in ED and other soaps. He does look like DD Lewis when compared to the likes of Kirin, Jai, Rishi, Adam, David, Pete, Lochlan, Dan, Jimmy.
Spungey, you said a couple of days ago on this thread "I wont be slagging off ED anymore. I'll tune in again when whatshername goes" - # 241
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Old 09-07-2015, 20:36
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An article in online magazine Metro about the Robert / Aaron storyline (spoilerish)

http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/09/emmerd...-kirk-5288128/


To quote a couple of sentences

While we know that Robert has a heart beneath the dark soul we often see,


Whether or not Aaron and Robert’s loving but damaging relationship


Loving relationship
All they've done on-screen is snog & have sex.

Jeez - if this is what passes for a "loving" gay relationship in soaps then we've reached a sad sad day for gay characters
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