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An article in online magazine Metro about the Robert / Aaron storyline (spoilerish)
http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/09/emmerd...-kirk-5288128/ To quote a couple of sentences While we know that Robert has a heart beneath the dark soul we often see, Whether or not Aaron and Robert’s loving but damaging relationship Loving relationship ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() All they've done on-screen is snog & have sex. Jeez - if this is what passes for a "loving" gay relationship in soaps then we've reached a sad sad day for gay characters ![]() ![]() |
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I remember years ago reading an article about Linus Roache, it was a long time ago when he was playing the part of a priest in BBC drama. He was asked at the time about his father's success as an actor. He said at the time that he did not consider what his father did as acting because the lines were blurred between who was Ken and who was William as he had been Ken Barlow since he was a child. Actor's need to stretch themselves to refine their craft and soap actors do not do that by playing the same character for decades.
In principle I agree with you and I'd argue that it's true of many careers, but grim reality gets in the way of ideals for most of us. Those actors who can support themselves (and perhaps families)with varied careers and resist typecasting are few and far between. I quite admire the handful on soaps who don't let their characters become charicatures because it must be extremely hard to always give a decent performance. I wonder if Linus Roache has the same slightly dismisdsive attitude now he's older and starring in Law &Order?
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But surely they stretch themselves more than unemployed actors, regardless of their talent and training?
In principle I agree with you and I'd argue that it's true of many careers, but grim reality gets in the way of ideals for most of us. Those actors who can support themselves (and perhaps families)with varied careers and resist typecasting are few and far between. I quite admire the handful on soaps who don't let their characters become charicatures because it must be extremely hard to always give a decent performance. I wonder if Linus Roache has the same slightly dismisdsive attitude now he's older and starring in Law &Order? ![]()
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I think he's pretty good, IDK if his acting ability has anything to do with his success or lack there of. There are quite a few actors in Hollywood that aren't very talented like Nicholas Cage. One of the worst soap actors ever Jessie Metcalf some how made it off Passions and on to Desperate Housewives and Dallas 2.0. Overall though I think the acting on British Soaps is much better than the US soaps although there are a couple like Victoria who might be average, there aren't any hair models which the US soaps are full of.
It. takes a special sort of talent to go from winning an Oscar to making The Wicker Man into a comedy Our Nic really knows how to back a loser.Edward Woodward on the other hand, THAT was a good performance. Quote:
There's plenty UK soap actresses who are not hair models who cannot act to save their lives. Gail Platt in CS is atrocious. Ali, Rachel, Ruby, Priya, Val in ED.. Some in HO.
I'm not saying Miller is bad because he isn't. There's nothing wrong being an average soap actor in a steady job earning a good living. ![]() I#m sure lots of actors. regardless of the mediium they work in are aware of their limitations, just like the rest of us. It can't be easy to put in good performances in the 'factory' environment of soaps. It's all very well to look at it from a purely artistic perspective but soaps are not designed to be great works of art. They are mass (and quickly) produced entertainment. I think its a testament to ED's cast and crew that despite this they are capable of producing great quality drama at times.Yes, there's crap too - well name me any actor, producer or director who hasn't done bad work. Judging a soap by the same standards as some of these high concept US dramas or an Oscar winning film is not judging like for like. They're designed to do different things. Yes, in an ideal world the actors should do a range of work, (and that applies to actors coming into soaps too), but that can be a luxury in this. day and age in any line of work.
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His 'principles' didn't force him to turn down a Corrie role himself though.
![]() I like Linus Roache and tbf he is much better than his Dad IMO, but William Roache is in a pretty unique position even for a soap actor in that he's pretty much played the same high profile leading character all of his adult life. You could see that the two might merge, whereas most of ED's cast however long serving are not in this position.
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That ladder was ridiculous!!! Was it made out of twiglets?!
![]() ![]() ![]() How the hell did Paddy get down the thing in the first place? And get the lamb out? And Andy only had a small pile of logs!
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An article in online magazine Metro about the Robert / Aaron storyline (spoilerish)
http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/09/emmerd...-kirk-5288128/ To quote a couple of sentences While we know that Robert has a heart beneath the dark soul we often see, Whether or not Aaron and Robert’s loving but damaging relationship Loving relationship ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() All they've done on-screen is snog & have sex. Jeez - if this is what passes for a "loving" gay relationship in soaps then we've reached a sad sad day for gay characters Quote:
That ladder was ridiculous!!! Was it made out of twiglets?!
![]() ![]() ![]() How the hell did Paddy get down the thing in the first place? And get the lamb out? And Andy only had a small pile of logs! ![]() ![]() I'll get me coat ... |
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Yes, but he has a very big chopper. ![]() I'll get me coat ... ![]()
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But surely they stretch themselves more than unemployed actors, regardless of their talent and training?
In principle I agree with you and I'd argue that it's true of many careers, but grim reality gets in the way of ideals for most of us. Those actors who can support themselves (and perhaps families)with varied careers and resist typecasting are few and far between. I quite admire the handful on soaps who don't let their characters become charicatures because it must be extremely hard to always give a decent performance. I wonder if Linus Roache has the same slightly dismisdsive attitude now he's older and starring in Law &Order? ![]() He is in the Vikings now playing the Saxon king Ecbert, he plays it shall we say quite OTT more melo than drama it is hilarious. More than likely earns as much as his dad for a few months work a year It is just as well that most soap actors characters do merge with their own as there is no time for rehearsal in the factory of soaps these days |
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He is in the Vikings now playing the Saxon king Ecbert, he plays it shall we say quite OTT more melo than drama it is hilarious. More than likely earns as much as his dad for a few months work a year
Good for him, I bet he's having a whale of a time
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Nicolas Cage...
It. takes a special sort of talent to go from winning an Oscar to making The Wicker Man into a comedy Our Nic really knows how to back a loser.Edward Woodward on the other hand, THAT was a good performance. ' Talk about damning with faint praise ![]() I#m sure lots of actors. regardless of the mediium they work in are aware of their limitations, just like the rest of us. It can't be easy to put in good performances in the 'factory' environment of soaps. It's all very well to look at it from a purely artistic perspective but soaps are not designed to be great works of art. They are mass (and quickly) produced entertainment. I think its a testament to ED's cast and crew that despite this they are capable of producing great quality drama at times.Yes, there's crap too - well name me any actor, producer or director who hasn't done bad work. Judging a soap by the same standards as some of these high concept US dramas or an Oscar winning film is not judging like for like. They're designed to do different things. Yes, in an ideal world the actors should do a range of work, (and that applies to actors coming into soaps too), but that can be a luxury in this. day and age in any line of work.I always find your posts to be very interesting and understanding. ![]() In an interview this week, Sammy Winward, was asked what the difference is between working on Emmerdale and Prey, the new show she's just finished filming on. Sticking up for soap actors, she said some critics just do not appreciate the crazy workload soap actors are given. They start a day with 12 scenes to do and then are simply told to go and make it work. She thinks they do a great job when considering the circumstances they work under.That is so different to working on Prey, where they not only have time to rehearse, but also sit and talk about their characters etc. Also, in a soap you often have to act a scene on a spot, whereas in Prey, there's more movement with cameras following the actors. Apparently, though, once the actual filming starts it is faced paced. So I would agree with those who say our soapie stars don't get the credit they deserve!
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I always find your posts to be very interesting and understanding.
![]() In an interview this week, Sammy Winward, was asked what the difference is between working on Emmerdale and Prey, the new show she's just finished filming on. Sticking up for soap actors, she said some critics just do not appreciate the crazy workload soap actors are given. They start a day with 12 scenes to do and then are simply told to go and make it work. She thinks they do a great job when considering the circumstances they work under.That is so different to working on Prey, where they not only have time to rehearse, but also sit and talk about their characters etc. Also, in a soap you often have to act a scene on a spot, whereas in Prey, there's more movement with cameras following the actors. Apparently, though, once the actual filming starts it is faced paced. So I would agree with those who say our soapie stars don't get the credit they deserve! ![]() ![]() It's interesting that Sammy raised the point about how they use the cameras. John Michie said in an interview that he struggled with the number of cameras they used in Corrie as compared to one camera following the actor in Holby City. |
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He held his own in Scott and Bailey, working with good actors
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Actually Danny Miller did quite an interesting interview when he was on Scott and Bailey, comparing the way they work to ED. He said it was nice that on S&B you had the time to do a scene over and over until you got it right, and that there was so much more detail to the writing. On ED they would often have 20 pages to get through in a day, with changes being made until the last minute.
I was actually surprised he came back so soon, he sounded happy to do something different, and it didn't seem like he couldn't find work. |
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I always find your posts to be very interesting and understanding.
![]() In an interview this week, Sammy Winward, was asked what the difference is between working on Emmerdale and Prey, the new show she's just finished filming on. Sticking up for soap actors, she said some critics just do not appreciate the crazy workload soap actors are given. They start a day with 12 scenes to do and then are simply told to go and make it work. She thinks they do a great job when considering the circumstances they work under.That is so different to working on Prey, where they not only have time to rehearse, but also sit and talk about their characters etc. Also, in a soap you often have to act a scene on a spot, whereas in Prey, there's more movement with cameras following the actors. Apparently, though, once the actual filming starts it is faced paced. So I would agree with those who say our soapie stars don't get the credit they deserve! ![]() |
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I would say these actors are you mention are capable of that. I'm not an expert but I would say rhat if they can turb in credible performances with their workload and lack of rehearsal time then given a piece with more time to rehearse etc they could do extremely well. I like the attitude of jobbing actors who will like the rest of us, take what work comes their way. On another thread, you referred to Life on Mars as being ab example of a quality drama, particularly the acting of John Simm Glenister. These are both actors that I like, but there was nothing challenging about either role, one character was an unbelievable cliche and the other insantly forgettable. both actors coulddo these parts in their sleep and I'm pretty sure Jeff Hordley and John Bowe could. By the way, you might be interested in Jeff's recent very moving performance in the BBC Radio play 'Dirt' if it's still on Iplayer, alongside Hugo Speer.
Glenisters character wasn't a cliché it was a homage to the characters in 70's cop shows like the Sweeney. A less skilled actor could have got it badly wrong and made it naff for modern tv viewers but Glenister nailed it to perferction. |
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Analysis of the important points about this ep.
Firstly good episode in spite of the ep having the worst characters in it Any episode Dominated by by The Galloping Gormless Moron, The Bumbling Idiot, Duller than dull Dull Dan and Kerry should be a bad one. 1) Robert has become a great character to watch, downright evil and bad to the bone but great to watch. 2) Why was the Bumbling idiot left alone in the pit in the first place and why didn't andy go in the pit to rescue a lamb rather than paddy. 3) Why didn't the ladder break when Paddy was going in rather than coming out, and why do they have a crap wooden ladder rather than a metal one. 4) This was by any standards Aarons worst acted episode in a very long time, he has forgotten eevn how to cry properly and that is his only unique selling point as an actor if he loses that he has nothing, terrible, awful, dradful, bone crushingly DIRE don't even come near his standarrd of Acting these days, Just Awful. 5) Why does the Gormless Moron have to inset himself into every storyline 6) Dross is good when he is with April. 7) Will Lawrence die soon having not changed his will. 8) Carly is a fun character but very stupid her builder is obviously a cowboy 9) What did Vanessa's dad do 10) Couldnt Amsterdam keep Rodney 11) And will we every see any of this DVD with Tracy |
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Well they are also trying to pass of Debbie/Ross as a passionate relationship so its not looking good for straight relationships either..hell at least Robert/Aaron have chemistry.
So ignore the PR and the interviews, they all talk shite and it means nowt. Listen to Paddy, I say. Always listen to Paddy. Unless you're stuck in a grain silo. |
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I also must apologise for the above as being virtually nothing to do wth the original question.
Hey ho!
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I totally disagree about the performances given by Simm and Glenister.
Glenisters character wasn't a cliché it was a homage to the characters in 70's cop shows like the Sweeney. A less skilled actor could have got it badly wrong and made it naff for modern tv viewers but Glenister nailed it to perferction. I'm guessing Gene Hunt wasn't expexted to be an even vaguely realistic character.He WAS a pastiche so very different from a soap character who surely have to reflect some sort of reality? So who's to say that these actors wouldn't be capable of playing such a part? You haven't seen John Sim or Philip Glenister in a soap. They might be great but they could be rubbish! The two are very different types of drama. I think soaps probably don't demand technical brilliance but the better actors are able to sustain and develop believable characters who we see in all sorts of different situations, and they pretty much have to do that on demand. I daresay that they find out pretty quickly that they can't put into play a lot if the stuff they're taught at drama college in that type of situation. of course it's easy to say 'that wasn't great, anyone competent could do it' but that applies to soap acting. soap producing and most other jobs. |
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Analysis of the important points about this ep.
Firstly good episode in spite of the ep having the worst characters in it Any episode Dominated by by The Galloping Gormless Moron, The Bumbling Idiot, Duller than dull Dull Dan and Kerry should be a bad one. 1) Robert has become a great character to watch, downright evil and bad to the bone but great to watch. Totally agree with this Kwynne - he's brilliant and Ryan Hawley is playing it really well 2) Why was the Bumbling idiot left alone in the pit in the first place and why didn't andy go in the pit to rescue a lamb rather than paddy. I did wonder that - although I think Andy said something about being clumsy and not wanting to do any damage if it had hurt itself...? 3) Why didn't the ladder break when Paddy was going in rather than coming out, and why do they have a crap wooden ladder rather than a metal one. Wondered this too - but it's ED, so don't expect any logic at all! 4) This was by any standards Aarons worst acted episode in a very long time, he has forgotten eevn how to cry properly and that is his only unique selling point as an actor if he loses that he has nothing, terrible, awful, dradful, bone crushingly DIRE don't even come near his standarrd of Acting these days, Just Awful. The only scenes he's anything like decent in are his ones with Paddy - anything else I agree with you, he's average at the best 5) Why does the Gormless Moron have to inset himself into every storyline - good question. 6) Dross is good when he is with April. He is indeed! 7) Will Lawrence die soon having not changed his will. Or more likely, a week after doing so - and then the sparks will really fly because Chrissie can accuse Robert of killing him - or apply to have the will set aside as he's died so soon after changing it. Police should probably have a look anyway 8) Carly is a fun character but very stupid her builder is obviously a cowboy. Carly's a liability - to herself and everyone else! 9) What did Vanessa's dad do - a big secret, suspect ED haven't yet decided, depends on whether they decide to introduce him one day 10) Couldnt Amsterdam keep Rodney - looks like not, sadly 11) And will we every see any of this DVD with Tracy - not at 7.00 in the evening ![]() |
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Analysis of the important points about this ep.
Firstly good episode in spite of the ep having the worst characters in it Any episode Dominated by by The Galloping Gormless Moron, The Bumbling Idiot, Duller than dull Dull Dan and Kerry should be a bad one. 1) Robert has become a great character to watch, downright evil and bad to the bone but great to watch. 2) Why was the Bumbling idiot left alone in the pit in the first place and why didn't andy go in the pit to rescue a lamb rather than paddy. 3) Why didn't the ladder break when Paddy was going in rather than coming out, and why do they have a crap wooden ladder rather than a metal one. 4) This was by any standards Aarons worst acted episode in a very long time, he has forgotten eevn how to cry properly and that is his only unique selling point as an actor if he loses that he has nothing, terrible, awful, dradful, bone crushingly DIRE don't even come near his standarrd of Acting these days, Just Awful. 5) Why does the Gormless Moron have to inset himself into every storyline 6) Dross is good when he is with April. 7) Will Lawrence die soon having not changed his will. 8) Carly is a fun character but very stupid her builder is obviously a cowboy 9) What did Vanessa's dad do 10) Couldnt Amsterdam keep Rodney 11) And will we every see any of this DVD with Tracy ![]() Also:BIB1: Hurray! Ross Love! BIB2: I flaming well hope not ![]() BIB3: (see above)
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Shouldn't the Barton's be getting a visit from health and safety pretty soon? They've had 3 accidents at their farm in the span of a year. Adam nearly chopped Andy's hand off in that machine, then Psycho Mama Barton dropped the pallet of hay on Papa Barton and now Paddy.
Also each month this year at least one character has ended up in the hospital. At this point Emmerdale has more hospital scenes than General Hospital, maybe its time for a spin-off around the Hospital since its featured so much. I also think Lawrence has something up his sleeve. I don't buy him putting Robert in charge and putting him in his will. Maybe Lawrence knows what Robert has been up to and is planing to fake his death and frame Robert for it. |
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Sorry if this has been posted before but just found this video and it has to be one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time. Danny Miller showing once again just how good he is (and the rest of the cast providing great backup). And it's all for a great cause.
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Well I think we can safely say, Robert prefers wonga more than willy now.
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