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The Emmerdale Discussion Thread (Spoilers in tags — Part 15)
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Crooked Heart
11-07-2015
Originally Posted by wilehelmas:
“PS: Whoever says Robert is the worst character clearly has a death wish. Robert will be coming round to have a breathy word in your ear and leave a grain of wheat under your pillow, in a violin case. ”

Robert is the worst character♥ *...waiting for Rob to have a breathy word in my ear...*





At least I'll die happy
chitarivera
13-07-2015
They are really giving Robert and Ross a load of stuff to do involving different characters aren't they.

These two are taking up a lot of air time.

And both seem to be love to hate characters.
chitarivera
13-07-2015
I wonder why Charlie Hardwick has decided to leave after all this time?
I thought she was one of those 'job for life' characters.

They are going to kill Val off aren't they?
chitarivera
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Well they are also trying to pass of Debbie/Ross as a passionate relationship so its not looking good for straight relationships either..hell at least Robert/Aaron have chemistry.”

I don't feel any from them. Well, not from Aaron.
I didn't feel any between Aaron and Jackson either.
chitarivera
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“But surely they stretch themselves more than unemployed actors, regardless of their talent and training?
In principle I agree with you and I'd argue that it's true of many careers, but grim reality gets in the way of ideals for most of us. Those actors who can support themselves (and perhaps families)with varied careers and resist typecasting are few and far between. I quite admire the handful on soaps who don't let their characters become charicatures because it must be extremely hard to always give a decent performance.

I wonder if Linus Roache has the same slightly dismisdsive attitude now he's older and starring in Law &Order?”

I think in a long running soap the writers begin to write some of the characters like the actor after a while, so the character starts to display some of the actors mannerisms etc.

Not in cases like Sam Dingle etc but in some instances I think it happens.
chitarivera
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by wilehelmas:
“In fairness, I have seen the actors, or more like, their PR, appear to contradict themselves and the general plotpoints at times, downplay things, upplay others (is that even a word? It is now! - AKA 'Chrissie is the most important thing to Robert' - no, Chrissie's money is, Robert is the most important thing to Robert and even the gay men on DS have more interest in her boobs than her husband does). Example 2 paraphrase: 'Aaron is less important to Robert than his wife is and he is just having fun with him' - yeeeassss, well, umm, no, not quite, TV Quick or whatever. He is on one level playing him but he's utterly obsessed with him on another, reserving all his darkest and broody glances for old Bobblehat. And donning the cat and mouse tactics when he could just piss off home and never look at Aaron again.

So ignore the PR and the interviews, they all talk shite and it means nowt.

Listen to Paddy, I say. Always listen to Paddy. Unless you're stuck in a grain silo
.”

Love this post, especially the part in bold.

cyrilandshirley
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“I don't feel any from them. Well, not from Aaron.
I didn't feel any between Aaron and Jackson either.”

I'm so glad you said that. I was starting to think I was the only person in the world who didn't understand the fuss about Robert and Aaron. I can't see anything interesting between them at all - though I love Robert and his desperate determination to hang on to his status and money, that keeps me interested.

By the way, I think that

Spoiler
Val might try to fake her own death. Nuts!


I don't know why Charley's leaving though, I will miss Val like crazy.
chitarivera
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Wyezed:
“We could start an Anti Robert Sugden in Emmerdale group - but what would we call ourselves? ”

Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“But I love watching Robert, so I might have to object to your ARSE in no uncertain terms. ”

Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“It is, but we could always set up Bob's Union of Mates to oppose it.”

you lot are naughty.
chitarivera
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“I'm so glad you said that. I was starting to think I was the only person in the world who didn't understand the fuss about Robert and Aaron. I can't see anything interesting between them at all - though I love Robert and his desperate determination to hang on to his status and money, that keeps me interested.

By the way, I think that

Spoiler
Val might try to fake her own death. Nuts!


I don't know why Charley's leaving though, I will miss Val like crazy.”

re your spoiler,
Spoiler
yes that is correct. I think it's to worm her way out of being charged for fraud regarding the Loan thing, but
surely when Eric gets ill she will stop that nonsense?
I have a feeling the Val character will actually die.
cyrilandshirley
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“re your spoiler,
Spoiler
yes that is correct. I think it's to worm her way out of being charged for fraud regarding the Loan thing, but
surely when Eric gets ill she will stop that nonsense?
I have a feeling the Val character will actually die.
”

Spoiler
You could be right, yes - would be the ultimate irony to try to fake your own death and get killed in the process. But I will miss her
chitarivera
13-07-2015
Joanie seems to be settling in doesn't she?

Actually, I don't mind. I think she could be a good character.

They aren't lining her up to be with though Zak are they?

She seems to be intelligent, practical and has a sense of fun.
She's a mature woman who has - I assume - had an interesting life.

Team her with Laurence or Rodney - not Zak - and I think she could be good for the show.

Laurence has been woefully underused since he was written in, and Rodney wasn't even missed by lots of viewers during his recent long absence in Amsterdam.

So both of them need something to do.

In fact, team her with both.
Why should Ross, Debbie and Robert be the only ones with more than one partner!!!
chitarivera
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“
Spoiler
You could be right, yes - would be the ultimate irony to try to fake your own death and get killed in the process. But I will miss her
”

Poor old Eric.

I remember his previous wife, Gloria.
She was a good character played well, but if I remember correctly, she fleeced him for all his money and cleared off to live somewhere in Europe.
dubgaz
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“Poor old Eric.

I remember his previous wife, Gloria.
She was a good character played well, but if I remember correctly, she fleeced him for all his money and cleared off to live somewhere in Europe.”

Thats right. Then she sent him a video of her sitting on a beach drinking a cocktail
cyrilandshirley
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“Joanie seems to be settling in doesn't she?

Actually, I don't mind. I think she could be a good character.

They aren't lining her up to be with though Zak are they?

She seems to be intelligent, practical and has a sense of fun.
She's a mature woman who has - I assume - had an interesting life.

Team her with Laurence or Rodney - not Zak - and I think she could be good for the show.

Laurence has been woefully underused since he was written in, and Rodney wasn't even missed by lots of viewers during his recent long absence in Amsterdam.

So both of them need something to do.

In fact, team her with both.
Why should Ross, Debbie and Robert be the only ones with more than one partner!!! ”

The idea of a Laurence/Joanie/Rodney triangle has just made my day.

Maybe Laurence and Rodney could get it on as well, you never know.
ArtyAttack
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“The idea of a Laurence/Joanie/Rodney triangle has just made my day.

Maybe Laurence and Rodney could get it on as well, you never know.”

Spoiler
Lawrence will be going on a date with Bernice soon though.
Wyezed
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“I'm so glad you said that. I was starting to think I was the only person in the world who didn't understand the fuss about Robert and Aaron. I can't see anything interesting between them at all - though I love Robert and his desperate determination to hang on to his status and money, that keeps me interested.

By the way, I think that

Spoiler
Val might try to fake her own death. Nuts!


I don't know why Charley's leaving though, I will miss Val like crazy.”

Or Natalie Anderson, or Sammy Winward..... who'll be next?
cyrilandshirley
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“
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Lawrence will be going on a date with Bernice soon though.
”

I heard that, yep! I hope they revisit Lawrence's sexuality as a storyline. It seems unresolved to me, and it would be great to do it with an older character.
ArtyAttack
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“I heard that, yep! I hope they revisit Lawrence's sexuality as a storyline. It seems unresolved to me, and it would be great to do it with an older character.”

I did read that they would be revisiting this in some way soon.
In regards to chemistry - I think Robert and Aaron have buckets of chemistry together and both actors get on well with each other which is one of the reasons why they work so well together and are comfortable with the kissing scenes as they have stated in interviews. Aaron and Jackson had very little chemistry.
I never see any real chemistry with Debbie and Ross though to be fair I do not remember seeing any chemistry with Debbie and any of her partners. She seems a bit of a cold fish in that respect.
Crooked Heart
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“Team her with Laurence or Rodney - not Zak - and I think she could be good for the show.”

Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“The idea of a Laurence/Joanie/Rodney triangle has just made my day.

Maybe Laurence and Rodney could get it on as well, you never know.”

Spoiler
I think Joanie is to go on a date with Rodney in the next week or two


I want Lawrence to find himself a sexy man! Who's not after his money

I think it's time Edna had some fun too. Maybe Emmerdale could have a 'Winter of Romance'♥♥♥
crunchie crisp
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“Poor old Eric.

I remember his previous wife, Gloria.
She was a good character played well, but if I remember correctly, she fleeced him for all his money and cleared off to live somewhere in Europe.”

Thought she won an election and became an mp, then left with a younger"assistant" and Erics dosh
wilehelmas
13-07-2015
Wasn't there some suggestion Eric had bumped one wife off in the past?

They've mellowed him a lot since so probably would never revisit something too hardcore for him but I'm sure I recall that...
crunchie crisp
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by wilehelmas:
“Wasn't there some suggestion Eric had bumped one wife off in the past?

They've mellowed him a lot since so probably would never revisit something too hardcore for him but I'm sure I recall that...”

Yes Elizabeth, the rumours implied that he used the airplane crash to cover that up They revisited that storyline when they brought her son Michael back. He believed that Eric had killed his Mum but Eric explained the events of her death
cyrilandshirley
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“I did read that they would be revisiting this in some way soon.
In regards to chemistry - I think Robert and Aaron have buckets of chemistry together and both actors get on well with each other which is one of the reasons why they work so well together and are comfortable with the kissing scenes as they have stated in interviews. Aaron and Jackson had very little chemistry.
I never see any real chemistry with Debbie and Ross though to be fair I do not remember seeing any chemistry with Debbie and any of her partners. She seems a bit of a cold fish in that respect.”

Well chemistry's a notoriously subjective thing! I can see Robert lusts after Aaron, Ryan's a good actor. But I don't get much from them as a pairing at all. But I know lots do. Maybe some people like Ross and Debbie together as well, but I think they're *awful*. She sucks all the life out of him. So there you go, I guess we'll never all agree!

Originally Posted by Crooked Heart:
“
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I think Joanie is to go on a date with Rodney in the next week or two


I want Lawrence to find himself a sexy man! Who's not after his money

I think it's time Edna had some fun too. Maybe Emmerdale could have a 'Winter of Romance'♥♥♥”

BIB: Hell yeah!

And a Winter of Romance for the, ahem, more mature generation, would be absolutely brilliant.
sheepiefarm
13-07-2015
With regards to Lawrence and
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Bernice - oh dear - I suspect this will end up as yet another Bernice comedy romance storyline.


At least we have the cure for homosexuality - a stint in prison appears to cure it according to Kate Oates!


As for Robert & Aaron regarding chemistry - the problem is, that's ALL they have.
ED has gone all out to "prove" that Danny Miller can create chemistry with a man (although we already knew that as it comes across in his scenes with Adam) - so they have delivered a storyline that has been about nothing more than snogging, lingering looks, pre & post coital scenes.
Narratively, Robert & Aaron has been nothing more than delivering homoerotic imagery & screenshots. The fans have lapped it up.
Even during the next part of this upcoming storyline where
Spoiler
they are at each other's throats and fighting - I've no doubt it will be delivered with all the associated homoerticy that the show can muster.
More important to create that than to have the actors actually recreating the desperation, anger & fear that should rightfully be associated with the situation.



Whilst Danny & Marc failed to create any believable "chemistry" between them as a relationship couple - they did, however, both manage to create characters with depth, motivation & believable emotion during the assisted suicide storyline.

The show keeps touting Aaron & Robert as some kind of love-story - and yet neither actor has managed to convey this with any believablity beyond the homoerotic image.

Even Aaron's most recent fall back into self-harming was little more than Danny being made to look all sexily sweaty (more like he was off to do a photoshoot with gay mag Attitude), than portraying a character who was desperately intent on seriously harming himself.

Having chemistry is one thing - creating a believable & compelling narrative is another.
cyrilandshirley
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“With regards to Lawrence and
Spoiler
Bernice - oh dear - I suspect this will end up as yet another Bernice comedy romance storyline.


At least we have the cure for homosexuality - a stint in prison appears to cure it according to Kate Oates!


As for Robert & Aaron regarding chemistry - the problem is, that's ALL they have.
ED has gone all out to "prove" that Danny Miller can create chemistry with a man (although we already knew that as it comes across in his scenes with Adam) - so they have delivered a storyline that has been about nothing more than snogging, lingering looks, pre & post coital scenes.
Narratively, Robert & Aaron has been nothing more than delivering homoerotic imagery & screenshots. The fans have lapped it up.
Even during the next part of this upcoming storyline where
Spoiler
they are at each other's throats and fighting - I've no doubt it will be delivered with all the associated homoerticy that the show can muster.
More important to create that than to have the actors actually recreating the desperation, anger & fear that should rightfully be associated with the situation.
”

Not when Lawrence first came in, though. We had all that really interesting stuff about Lawrence fancying Robert, and not wanting Chrissie to marry him because he was basically jealous, and then that fantastic reveal that Robert had been playing him for a fool all along.

Then the whole fascinating thing got shoved aside so Robert could go off and make Aaron cry. The first story was WAY better.
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