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The Emmerdale Discussion Thread (Spoilers in tags — Part 15)
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Crooked Heart
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Just had a thought.....
Once Robert's "sexuality" is out in the open - and he's completely blown it with Chrissie - wouldn't it be kinda fun to see him try to charm his way into Lawrence's "affections" for the sake of hanging on to a wealthy lifestyle


Please make it happen ED - if only to see Aaron's face when he discovers Robert is two-timing him with Lawrence ”

I would love to see Robert trawling the fancy wine bar(s) of Hotton looking for a new sugar daddy! I did wonder whether the 'one night stands' he mentioned to Aaron weren't actually wealthy men he was trying to attach himself to. I hope we will hear more about his life away from the village.
ArtyAttack
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“It won't though will it? Look at all of the soaps. They're all the same, in slightly different degrees, with more and more pressure to be sensationalist over character-driven.

I get the impression KO does the best she can within the contraints. We got Laurel and Alicia. And then it's back to blowing things up. At least there's still some balance there.”

I actually like what Kate Oates has done on Emmerdale. The Laurel storyline has been great as was the Alicia one. I do not like the weekly hospital or police drama for the Thursday double bill with someone in danger or injured. Some of the best episodes are the ones with scenes between characters talking for more than a couple of minutes with scenes lasting longer. I also feel Oates needs to look more at the aftermath of things that happen and not just forget about it a few episodes later. In such a small village I would like to see more commentary and reactions from people over events that happen. Something that is missed now characters like Betty have gone.
crunchie crisp
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by sarah_short:
“I don't know, or care about that!
What I do know is how well Jason & Sammy (and the others at Home Farm at that time, btw) got on and enjoyed working and socialising together.
For a poster, without anything to support the question, to suggest the reason for Jason leaving was because he was paired with Sammy, was incredibly biased, ignorant and mean spirited!
I couldn't care less if any poster doesn't like Sammy, or rate her as an actress, but i do care when someone stoops to something like this, and that goes for any actor or actress.”

That was never said or even imlied, IIRC the poster said that Jason Merrills had more On Screen chemistry with Emma Atkins and suggested that maybe the actor would have stayed if he had been paired with Charity at the beginning as the more challenging storylines may have happened sooner rather than just before he left . There was nothing in the post to say that he and Sammy did not get on, just that their on screen chemistry was no as strong
Mark_Washingto1
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Wyezed:
“How about a poll to get rid of Kate Oates? That might end all the ridiculous storylines.”

LOL isn't she due to leave soon anyway? Don't most of the producers just stay for 3 years, I think before the end of the year we will hear she's moving to Weatherfield.

Also I think she's been pretty good up until this Debbie/Ross stuff started ever since then I've been enjoying Corrie a lot more than The Dales.
Glendarroch
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“But it's fine that he doesn't give a rat's arse about someone's wife.
Ha ha - you're complete bias totally undermines anything you've said in the above statement.”

I'm not defending Aaron, who I would never tire of slapping these days, but it is Robert who's doing the cheating and betraying not Aaron. It's not like he makes a habit of s##:##ing married men. On the other hand Debbie and Dross are both betraying Pete - it's a crap thing to do to your sibling.
sheepiefarm
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I'm not defending Aaron, who I would never tire of slapping these days, but it is Robert who's doing the cheating and betraying not Aaron. It's not like he makes a habit of s##:##ing married men. On the other hand Debbie and Dross are both betraying Pete - it's a crap thing to do to your sibling.”

Robert can only cheat if Aaron is willing to go along with it.


Sorry - I honestly don't see why one is deemed worse than the other


I could see the point of Pete & Debbie had been together for a fair length of time - but hell, Ross & Debbie were sniffing round one another even from before Pete came sniffing round.
Ross humiliated Debbie so it's no surprise she went to Pete - he was there for the asking.
Now Ross has changed his mind..................




It does make me laugh how people's "moral outrage" on here has a lot more to do with their like/dislike of a character, rather than any real logical thought out reasoning
Crooked Heart
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Robert can only cheat if Aaron is willing to go along with it.


Sorry - I honestly don't see why one is deemed worse than the other


I could see the point of Pete & Debbie had been together for a fair length of time - but hell, Ross & Debbie were sniffing round one another even from before Pete came sniffing round.
Ross humiliated Debbie so it's no surprise she went to Pete - he was there for the asking.
Now Ross has changed his mind..................




It does make me laugh how people's "moral outrage" on here has a lot more to do with their like/dislike of a character, rather than any real logical thought out reasoning ”

Sheepie, what's wrong with you?! 'Poor' Aaron is always the victim! Even smashing a full bottle of booze over James' head was entirely justified because it was 'poor' Aaron doing it! He's emotionally delicate Sheepie!
cyrilandshirley
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“I actually like what Kate Oates has done on Emmerdale. The Laurel storyline has been great as was the Alicia one. I do not like the weekly hospital or police drama for the Thursday double bill with someone in danger or injured. Some of the best episodes are the ones with scenes between characters talking for more than a couple of minutes with scenes lasting longer. I also feel Oates needs to look more at the aftermath of things that happen and not just forget about it a few episodes later. In such a small village I would like to see more commentary and reactions from people over events that happen. Something that is missed now characters like Betty have gone.”

Aw, Betty. Totally agree, you need your Greek chorus of gossips in the pub, commenting on everything that's happening. They still do that a bit, but not as much as they might.

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“It does make me laugh how people's "moral outrage" on here has a lot more to do with their like/dislike of a character, rather than any real logical thought out reasoning ”

Oh, I can plead guilty to that, easily. Can't stand Aaron, so would probably want him arrested if he picked his nose. Whereas Cain can batter Robert and I'm cheering on with popcorn.
sarah_short
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by crunchie crisp:
“That was never said or even imlied, IIRC the poster said that Jason Merrills had more On Screen chemistry with Emma Atkins and suggested that maybe the actor would have stayed if he had been paired with Charity at the beginning as the more challenging storylines may have happened sooner rather than just before he left . There was nothing in the post to say that he and Sammy did not get on, just that their on screen chemistry was no as strong ”

I am sorry, but in the question the poster said nothing about the timing of the pairing of Declan and Charity. All she asked was, would Jason have stayed had he been paired with Charity, despite knowing he left the show when he was paired with Charity and a over a year after he had spilt from Katie

The poster does hold an extremely strong bias against Sammy!
Even after winning a role on her new show via an open audition, she still insultingly insists she only got the role because of her looks.
Glendarroch
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Robert can only cheat if Aaron is willing to go along with it.


Sorry - I honestly don't see why one is deemed worse than the other


I could see the point of Pete & Debbie had been together for a fair length of time - but hell, Ross & Debbie were sniffing round one another even from before Pete came sniffing round.
Ross humiliated Debbie so it's no surprise she went to Pete - he was there for the asking.
Now Ross has changed his mind..................




It does make me laugh how people's "moral outrage" on here has a lot more to do with their like/dislike of a character, rather than any real logical thought out reasoning ”


Here's the logic. Aaron was single. Robert was not. Robert, who had made a commitment to someone else (they were living together) chose to betray that person who he supposedly cares about. Neither are in the right, but Robert is the one hurting someone he supposedly cares about. I#m not defending Aaron because I like him, as I thought the phrase 'I would never tire of slapping him' made clear.

On the other hand, Ross is setting out to hurt his own brother based on his sibling rivalry and the fact that he's suddenly decided that him and Debbie were meant to be. So not only is Pete being betrayed by his fiancee but also his brother. I know they don't get on, but to do that to your own sibling...

Don't get me wrong, I would never be the other woman but the pain that would be caused by cheating with a sibling's partner must be just awful, and has repercussions for parents and other siblings too.


It must be great to be entirely detached, logical and fair minded like yourself, but do have patience with us less enlightened mortals who feel some loyalty, sympathy and empathy to some characters above others. We're not in a court, we can suspend impartiality
Glendarroch
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Aw, Betty. Totally agree, you need your Greek chorus of gossips in the pub, commenting on everything that's happening. They still do that a bit, but not as much as they might.



Oh, I can plead guilty to that, easily. Can't stand Aaron, so would probably want him arrested if he picked his nose. Whereas Cain can batter Robert and I'm cheering on with popcorn.”

Jeez, that's half the fun of it I mean we don't all have football teams to follow I can hate Dross and Moron in a way I'm far too considerate, thoughtful and forgiving to do in reality
sheepiefarm
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Crooked Heart:
“Sheepie, what's wrong with you?! 'Poor' Aaron is always the victim! Even smashing a full bottle of booze over James' head was entirely justified because it was 'poor' Aaron doing it! He's emotionally delicate Sheepie!”

Aah yes - dammit - I forgot, he's the perennial victim - silly me
ArtyAttack
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“Here's the logic. Aaron was single. Robert was not. Robert, who had made a commitment to someone else (they were living together) chose to betray that person who he supposedly cares about. Neither are in the right, but Robert is the one hurting someone he supposedly cares about. I#m not defending Aaron because I like him, as I thought the phrase 'I would never tire of slapping him' made clear.

On the other hand, Ross is setting out to hurt his own brother based on his sibling rivalry and the fact that he's suddenly decided that him and Debbie were meant to be. So not only is Pete being betrayed by his fiancee but also his brother. I know they don't get on, but to do that to your own sibling...

Don't get me wrong, I would never be the other woman but the pain that would be caused by cheating with a sibling's partner must be just awful, and has repercussions for parents and other siblings too.


It must be great to be entirely detached, logical and fair minded like yourself, but do have patience with us less enlightened mortals who feel some loyalty, sympathy and empathy to some characters above others. We're not in a court, we can suspend impartiality”

Good post. These days most of the villagers are immoral in one way or another anyway. Some of us will feel more empathy for certain characters as they are written with a little more compassion and understanding than others. Everyone will have their own opinions on who they can identify with more.
Glendarroch
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Crooked Heart:
“Sheepie, what's wrong with you?! 'Poor' Aaron is always the victim! Even smashing a full bottle of booze over James' head was entirely justified because it was 'poor' Aaron doing it! He's emotionally delicate Sheepie!”

I used to like Aaron pre Jackson. Why are so many of the young adult characters written as being, well, a bit pathetic? Like they shouldn't be out on their own? I'm beginning to think ED writers know some very strange young people.
crunchie crisp
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by sarah_short:
“I am sorry, but in the question the poster said nothing about the timing of the pairing of Declan and Charity. All she asked was, would Jason have stayed had he been paired with Charity, despite knowing he left the show when he was paired with Charity and a over a year after he had spilt from Katie

The poster does hold an extremely strong bias against Sammy!
Even after winning a role on her new show via an open audition, she still insultingly insists she only got the role because of her looks. ”

I dont think so, which poster are you speaking about? because I think we are at cross purposes here.

I do not remember any poster criticising Sammy to the extent of saying she is only employed because of her looks , From what I know of the posters on here no one is that interested Sammy is no longer in the show
Glendarroch
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“Good post. These days most of the villagers are immoral in one way or another anyway. Some of us will feel more empathy for certain characters as they are written with a little more compassion and understanding than others. Everyone will have their own opinions on who they can identify with more.”

Exactly. They've mostly done immoral things but we will all relate to and understand some more than others, and I think it depends on our own experiences. Even the courts allow for there being 'shades of grey' -mitigating circumstances. I don't see why viewers who get to know
like and yes, fancy, characters should be impartial all of the time

Team Cain and Team --the-following-as-long-as-they're-not-upsetting-Cain:
Zak, Debbie, Chas, Ashley, Edna, Belle, Moira, Charity, Jimmy, Nico, Bernice.

There!! I feel much better now.
spunger
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by crunchicrisp:
“I dont think so, which poster are you speaking about? because I think we are at cross purposes here.

I do not remember any poster criticising Sammy to the extent of saying she is only employed because of her looks , From what I know of the posters on here no one is that interested Sammy is no longer in the show”

Sarah was talking about chitarivera who does indeed think S Winward not only got her job in ED because of her looks but also her role in Prey. I do think its a bit silly to say she'd land a part in this type of drama with these kind of actors because she has a nice face.Hollyoaks it aint
spunger
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“That old stand by for bad actors when they can't get TV Work - Touring Regional Theatre (see also Carl King), yes not even long run's in big cities, that where bad actors go to scrounge a living on a pittance.”

Not every actor is looking for tv work. Sian Reese Williams who played Gennie wanted to go back to working in theatre. She's been doing just that and apparently loving it. But the track record of ED actors when they leave to try and move on to better tv work has not been good. Maybe the actors in ED aren't as good as many on here seem to think? it can't always be down to bad luck for actors not getting TV work .
crunchie crisp
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by spunger:
“Sarah was talking about chitarivera who does indeed think S Winward not only got her job in ED because of her looks but also her role in Prey. I do think its a bit silly to say she'd land a part in this type of drama with these kind of actors because she has a nice face.Hollyoaks it aint”

Sammy Winward got the role of Katie when she was fifteen, at that time she was quite a pretty girl, her looks improved in emmerdale. SO I do not believe she got the job for looks or in Prey, Most posters on the emmerdale boards do not really concern themselves in fandom, we watch and post about a program we enjoy, not the actors. I know I do not know what happens after they leave, most of the time I dont care
kwynne42
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“LOL no but we could do a poll on here send the results to Kate Oates and then maybe she will kill off Debbie”

Being pregnant she'll be off air for about a year anyway which will no doubt delight you
kwynne42
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Wyezed:
“How about a poll to get rid of Kate Oates? That might end all the ridiculous storylines.”

That would get a 90% yes
kwynne42
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I used to like Aaron pre Jackson. Why are so many of the young adult characters written as being, well, a bit pathetic? Like they shouldn't be out on their own? I'm beginning to think ED writers know some very strange young people.”

Aaron was just as bad pre-jackson just in a totally different Angsty way, those were the days he hated his mother struiggled with his sexualty and was just generally bad tempered for no good reason.
kwynne42
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by spunger:
“Not every actor is looking for tv work. Sian Reese Williams who played Gennie wanted to go back to working in theatre. She's been doing just that and apparently loving it. But the track record of ED actors when they leave to try and move on to better tv work has not been good. Maybe the actors in ED aren't as good as many on here seem to think? it can't always be down to bad luck for actors not getting TV work .”

My point still kinds, i'm sure Ms Reese Williams would love to work in the West End if she was allowed but touring regional theatre is all she's going to get.
spunger
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“My point still kinds, i'm sure Ms Reese Williams would love to work in the West End if she was allowed but touring regional theatre is all she's going to get.”

True but being happy doing what you're doing for a living is the most important factor for some people. And some actors might even prefer touring than being stuck in the same theatre.
MavisConsuela
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“My point still kinds, i'm sure Ms Reese Williams would love to work in the West End if she was allowed but touring regional theatre is all she's going to get.”

She's obviously not a snotty person considering she spent so long in a soap - many actors still wouldn't. I'd guess she's more than happy to slum it with successful touring productions
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