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....anyway.....
this returning character, then.... would Kate Oates dip even further back into the show than Nikhil or Paul and have a character from WAY back return to the village? Seth had some sons. Kathy had a brother. Archie's body was never found...was it?? I doubt Kathy herself would be brought back because didnt the actress get sacked for opening her mouth about the people who won 'soap stars' or something. Although I suppose they could recast her. Matt and Dolly had children. But are any of these interesting enough to be brought back? Maybe if they are as complex as they have made the returned Robert!!!! Wonder who it will be. Oh and are they going to bring in Chrissie's sister? |
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Having just seen the spoiler pic of Moira I think either Adumb or Cain could be in mortal danger.
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but why would a soap actor want to 'make it away from soaps' if they can handle the fast filming required to make so many weekly episodes and are content with their payment and their level of success?
Many people see being in a soap as 'the big time.' And not every performer is greedy for what you seem to think is a bigger 'big time' or a better success. And as we well know, which people in soaps are good actors is in the eye of the beholder. One man's scrap is another man's treasure and all that...... ![]() It's simple human nature to want to try and progress. The whole atrraction for being an actor is they have the chance to try so many different things during their career. It's a waste to not want to at least have one shot at making it away from soaps. Apart from actors in soaps there is no other people in the Arts who do the same thing day in day out year after year. Doing the same old thing would defeat the point of becoming an artist |
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Oh and are they going to bring in Chrissie's sister?
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It's simple human nature to want to try and progress.
The whole atrraction for being an actor is they have the chance to try so many different things during their career. It's a waste to not want to at least have one shot at making it away from soaps. Apart from actors in soaps there is no other people in the Arts who do the same thing day in day out year after year. Doing the same old thing would defeat the point of becoming an artist 2] Theatre performers, cabaret performers, comedy performers, all manner of performers in production shows do the same act night after night after night. Some for year upon year with small variance. And there are a thousand actors in Spotlight who specialise in playing the same kind of role. Yes they might play that role in different productions, but they repeat it over and over. And many are more than happy to make a steady living out of that. Many are just happy to be able to make a living from a job they love doing. And that's enough for them. |
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Seeming as Chrissie seems to be leaving sometime soon for a month or so and the actress is staying on, I'd presume the next logical step would be for her to return with her sister. Especially as Rebecca has been mentioned regularly.
So, hopefully we'll get this new character. Must be nice for writers to be able to draw up a character from scratch. |
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Yeh and they've announced John Bowe has signed on for another year's contract.
So, hopefully we'll get this new character. Must be nice for writers to be able to draw up a character from scratch.
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But on this particular subject I know I'm right and you lot are all wrong
![]() The hard facts about these amazingly brilliant soap actors back up everything i've said. They are fronting KFC level shows not 5 star gourmet ones made by top quality production teams with top quality in demand actors. Until more soap actors make it away from soaps their reputation will rightly remain where it is now. I don't get this need to big up soap acting. One of my current fav tv shows is the SI-FI series Z Nation. It is trashy low budget exploitation Zombie nonsense with some seriously dodgy acting. I am able to enjoy it for what it is with no need to try and prentend it's anything more than a bit of night time entertainment. Hundreds of people put a hell of a lot of effort every single day of the week into making Emmerdale a good TV show. Six episodes a week don't just appear out of thin air, they take months and months of hard-working and fine-tuning to get to that stage. Just because it hasn't had the luck or the good fortune of being bigged up by the US media and US award shows (because that really is what it comes down to) doesn't make it less of a show because of it. An actress like Charlotte Bellamy is a world-class performer, irrespective of the fact that she's 'just' in a soap. Her ability as an actress isn't somehow diminished just because she doesn't happen to have a starring role in the latest Emmy winning TV show. |
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I wonder if the returnee/s could be
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On the helicopter crash maybe this is me being too morbid.
But I would have had the reception finish as it was meant to, Debbie and Pete enter the helicopter, and jjust whenit flys over the scrapyard, this is where the fun would happen, the Helicopter would get hit by the Gas Cannister, and end up crashing back into the Village Hall |
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But that would kill Debbie which is impossible.
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But that would kill Debbie which is impossible.
90$ of the stunts, are meant to have been performed by the actors |
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I wonfer how heavilly Debbie will be involved, as she is pregnant, obviously she cant be put in any danger, I guess they could use a body double.
90$ of the stunts, are meant to have been performed by the actors
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But on this particular subject I know I'm right and you lot are all wrong
![]() The hard facts about these amazingly brilliant soap actors back up everything i've said. They are fronting KFC level shows not 5 star gourmet ones made by top quality production teams with top quality in demand actors. Until more soap actors make it away from soaps their reputation will rightly remain where it is now. I don't get this need to big up soap acting. One of my current fav tv shows is the SI-FI series Z Nation. It is trashy low budget exploitation Zombie nonsense with some seriously dodgy acting. I am able to enjoy it for what it is with no need to try and prentend it's anything more than a bit of night time entertainment.
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Unfortunately, there are so many things that find problematic about this kind of opinion, especially when we are living in a postmodern world which means that we should be treating the 'popular' with the same enthusiasm as the 'canon'.
Hundreds of people put a hell of a lot of effort every single day of the week into making Emmerdale a good TV show. Six episodes a week don't just appear out of thin air, they take months and months of hard-working and fine-tuning to get to that stage. Just because it hasn't had the luck or the good fortune of being bigged up by the US media and US award shows (because that really is what it comes down to) doesn't make it less of a show because of it. An actress like Charlotte Bellamy is a world-class performer, irrespective of the fact that she's 'just' in a soap. Her ability as an actress isn't somehow diminished just because she doesn't happen to have a starring role in the latest Emmy winning TV show. I appreciate the hard work time and effort put into making ED but that has nothing to do with my points about soap actors. Charlotte Bellamy is one of the better soap actors in this country but if she's anywhere near as great as you think she is why has she not been headhunted by major producers offering her great roles and shedloads of cash??? The answer is because in the big wide world of acting she is nothing special. There is just a world of difference between looking good when you're in a show with atrocious actors like the ones who play Val, Ruby, Priya, Victoria, Rachel and genuine world class actors who have the top producers chasing after them. |
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Maybe she's happy with a regular job that works for her with her family commitments.
There is more to life than work - everyone reaches a point where they have to balance their career aspirations with life aspirations/demands. I like my job, 10 years ago I'd have been applying regularly for promotion/a new job - however elderly family illness and issues have meant that I have commitments which mean that I'm happy where I am and not currently seeking promotion or a different job because my current job gives me flexible working which is currently essential for what's going on in my family life. It doesn't mean I'm crap at my job, or that I couldn't do a better/higher level job. You've no idea what other work she's been offered or turned down for what reasons. |
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I appreciate the hard work time and effort put into making ED but that has nothing to do with my points about soap actors. Charlotte Bellamy is one of the better soap actors in this country but if she's anywhere near as great as you think she is why has she not been headhunted by major producers offering her great roles and shedloads of cash??? The answer is because in the big wide world of acting she is nothing special.
The fact is that there are countless of soap actors who have gone on to act in supposedly 'bigger and better' things. Downton Abbey is riddled with former soap stars and Game of Thrones has an alarming amount of ex-Hollyoaks cast members. Sarah Lancashire is brilliant in Last Tango in Halifax and Happy Valley but she was brilliant for the many years that she was in Coronation Street as well. She isn't somehow made fantastic simply because she's stepped away from soap; she always WAS brilliant. |
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[quote=fredsnail;79148421]Maybe she's happy with a regular job that works for her with her family commitments.
There is more to life than work - everyone reaches a point where they have to balance their career aspirations with life aspirations/demands. I like my job, 10 years ago I'd have been applying regularly for promotion/a new job - however elderly family illness and issues have meant that I have commitments which mean that I'm happy where I am and not currently seeking promotion or a different job because my current job gives me flexible working which is currently essential for what's going on in my family life. It doesn't mean I'm crap at my job, or that I couldn't do a better/higher level job. You've no idea what other work she's been offered or turned down for what reasons.[/QUOTE Doesn't add up at all. If you're in demand you'd end up working for far far morre money for far far less hours. You pick and choose when and where you work and with. I refuse to accept anyone would take the relatively low paid soap work for very long boring hours doing the same old job year after year, especially on the ED set which can get very cold and miserable during the winter. |
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Some people like routine and money isn't everything.
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The answer is for a whole spectrum reasons that doesn't even involve Charlotte Bellamy's acting. These big producers probably aren't even looking at soaps to find talent because they hold similar opinions to yourself. Either that or they may think that hiring a soap actor could somehow diminish their production, again because the producers may hold similar views are yourself.
The fact is that there are countless of soap actors who have gone on to act in supposedly 'bigger and better' things. Downton Abbey is riddled with former soap stars and Game of Thrones has an alarming amount of ex-Hollyoaks cast members. Sarah Lancashire is brilliant in Last Tango in Halifax and Happy Valley but she was brilliant for the many years that she was in Coronation Street as well. She isn't somehow made fantastic simply because she's stepped away from soap; she always WAS brilliant. The DS fans keep saying the likes of Emma Atkins and Nicola Wheeler are so great. They both left ED and got nowhere so returned to ED. Nicola didn't get a single acting role. Up against better actors at auditions they were simply not the best for the roles. That's just the way the cruel hard world of acting works. |
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[quote=spunger;79148500] Quote:
Maybe she's happy with a regular job that works for her with her family commitments.
There is more to life than work - everyone reaches a point where they have to balance their career aspirations with life aspirations/demands. I like my job, 10 years ago I'd have been applying regularly for promotion/a new job - however elderly family illness and issues have meant that I have commitments which mean that I'm happy where I am and not currently seeking promotion or a different job because my current job gives me flexible working which is currently essential for what's going on in my family life. It doesn't mean I'm crap at my job, or that I couldn't do a better/higher level job. You've no idea what other work she's been offered or turned down for what reasons.[/QUOTE Doesn't add up at all. If you're in demand you'd end up working for far far morre money for far far less hours. You pick and choose when and where you work and with. I refuse to accept anyone would take the relatively low paid soap work for very long boring hours doing the same old job year after year, especially on the ED set which can get very cold and miserable during the winter. Throughout so much of the country full time, permanent, well paid jobs are thin on the ground. People are in casual, temporary, part time or zero hours contracts. no matter how good they are at their jobs there is absolutely no guarrantee of getting another one that pays enough to support you. For many of us, opportunities to progress are thin on the ground. It's not a case of lack of talent equating to lack of career progress. Other things come into it- lack of opportunities, health, family commitments can all restrict our choices. I can understand wanting variety and needing to move on, I'm like that myself. But like everyone else including actors I've got serious restrictions in the choices I make. |
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Maybe everyone who has killed someone will be haunted by their victim. Belle will be haunted by Gemma, Aaron will be haunted by Jackson, Andy will be haunted by Sarah, Debbie will be haunted by Gennie, Laurel will be haunted by Daisy and Robert will be haunted by Katie and Matthew King.
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Unfortunately, there are so many things that find problematic about this kind of opinion, especially when we are living in a postmodern world which means that we should be treating the 'popular' with the same enthusiasm as the 'canon'.
Hundreds of people put a hell of a lot of effort every single day of the week into making Emmerdale a good TV show. Six episodes a week don't just appear out of thin air, they take months and months of hard-working and fine-tuning to get to that stage. Just because it hasn't had the luck or the good fortune of being bigged up by the US media and US award shows (because that really is what it comes down to) doesn't make it less of a show because of it. An actress like Charlotte Bellamy is a world-class performer, irrespective of the fact that she's 'just' in a soap. Her ability as an actress isn't somehow diminished just because she doesn't happen to have a starring role in the latest Emmy winning TV show. |
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i'd love to find out what line of work you're in Spunger!
Throughout so much of the country full time, permanent, well paid jobs are thin on the ground. People are in casual, temporary, part time or zero hours contracts. no matter how good they are at their jobs there is absolutely no guarrantee of getting another one that pays enough to support you. For many of us, opportunities to progress are thin on the ground. It's not a case of lack of talent equating to lack of career progress. Other things come into it- lack of opportunities, health, family commitments can all restrict our choices. I can understand wanting variety and needing to move on, I'm like that myself. But like everyone else including actors I've got serious restrictions in the choices I make. Let's get real and stop saying being an actor is like an every day job which the man or woman in the street does. Their way of life is very different and for 99.9% of them that is half the appeal of their chosen profession. My point about giving it go away from soaps is aimed at the younger actors and the amazingly brilliant ones like Charlotte Bellamy who have never given it a go. I can fully understand the likes of Lesley Dunlop and the older ED actors being happy with their lot and happy to stay for as long as they're wanted. Though I think Charlie Hardwick is a dreadful panto, ham actress, I really admire her for quitting to try other things at her stage of life. Nicola Wheeler has said she'll stay for as long as she'd wanted and I can fully understand her reasons. Jeff and Emma will probably want to stay as well and I don't blame them either. But it really is time for the likes if Kelvin Fletcher, Charley Webb, the guy who plays Ross, to move on and see if they can make ity away from soaps. Others like the rocking horse that plays Kirin should just thank their lucky stars they are in a job.
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Charley Webb said in an interview today that she loves the security of regular work that ED gives her. I imagine that is especially important as she is raising her children. The main thing is that she hasn't let that bring complacency into her performances and still delivers fantastic performances in every storyline she is involved in.
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