You can take the girl out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the girl.
Aisleyne was more aggressive in that one situation than Helen has ever been.
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Originally Posted by Makson:
“Uhhh that was so cringe with her stupid smile and "two fingered" gestures
Aisleyne thinks she is the people's champion, sent on a crusade to save Princess Nikki and take down the evil witch Helen.
All she's done is show herself up.....she better know herself!”
“Uhhh that was so cringe with her stupid smile and "two fingered" gestures
Aisleyne thinks she is the people's champion, sent on a crusade to save Princess Nikki and take down the evil witch Helen.
All she's done is show herself up.....she better know herself!”
I think she does know that she isn't that popular as she seemed to suggest that she wouldn't leave to cheers like Nikki. I was pleased with that as even though she came 3rd her year she still got boos so at least she is a wee bit self aware.
However it seems that she hasn't developed or grown up otherwise since her last stint. She acts just like an angry sulky hormonal teenager and I am disappointed with that.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I think she does know that she isn't that popular as she seemed to suggest that she wouldn't leave to cheers like Nikki. I was pleased with that as even though she came 3rd her year she still got boos so at least she is a wee bit self aware.
However it seems that she hasn't developed or grown up otherwise since her last stint. She acts just like an angry sulky hormonal teenager and I am disappointed with that.”
“I think she does know that she isn't that popular as she seemed to suggest that she wouldn't leave to cheers like Nikki. I was pleased with that as even though she came 3rd her year she still got boos so at least she is a wee bit self aware.
However it seems that she hasn't developed or grown up otherwise since her last stint. She acts just like an angry sulky hormonal teenager and I am disappointed with that.”
IN all fairness drink does come into,the equation. Marc wasn't drunk for a change. Deliberately I thought but Danny and Ash were.
Originally Posted by threecheeses:
“Seriously?
This is both Helen and Marc's 'thing'.
Baiting and goading, Marc is a less aggressive version of Helen, much of his physical winding up is harmless and at times funny but he does also do the verbal goading to get a reaction.
It's a little tiring to see how so many people will jump on Ash, Danny, Chloe etc in the way they react to Marc, he does it on purpose and the common denominator every time is Marc, it's obvious where the problem lies.
Baiting should be a clear rule break, it's very easy sitting on your sofa to say that people are in control of their own actions etc etc”
“Seriously?
This is both Helen and Marc's 'thing'.
Baiting and goading, Marc is a less aggressive version of Helen, much of his physical winding up is harmless and at times funny but he does also do the verbal goading to get a reaction.
It's a little tiring to see how so many people will jump on Ash, Danny, Chloe etc in the way they react to Marc, he does it on purpose and the common denominator every time is Marc, it's obvious where the problem lies.
Baiting should be a clear rule break, it's very easy sitting on your sofa to say that people are in control of their own actions etc etc”
The common denominator is marc because they are nearly all gunning for him .
He is the sheriff and the baddies all want to take him down .
They attempt to bully him and he turns the tables on them every time and makes them look pathetic .
Look at Trashlene trying to kiss his bum after she had vented her spleen in the DR . Tragic , but very funny .
Originally Posted by Jennyloo:
“IN all fairness drink does come into,the equation. Marc wasn't drunk for a change. Deliberately I thought but Danny and Ash were.”
“IN all fairness drink does come into,the equation. Marc wasn't drunk for a change. Deliberately I thought but Danny and Ash were.”
You make it sound bad
Marc said that he stopped drinking because he didn't want to get drunk so it wasn't exactly a secret evil plan.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“I think they react to the only HMs to question what they say as Marc and Helen pick up if what they are saying is wrong , insincere, untrue, or disingenuous , and as a result they don't like it , so these HMs kick off as they've been caught out,
because if they were really telling the truth, they wouldn't be so affected would they.”
“I think they react to the only HMs to question what they say as Marc and Helen pick up if what they are saying is wrong , insincere, untrue, or disingenuous , and as a result they don't like it , so these HMs kick off as they've been caught out,
because if they were really telling the truth, they wouldn't be so affected would they.”
bib - seriously? You're saying that Marc and Helen have appointed themselves (rightly, presumably, as you seem to be in agreement) as judge and jury over what and who is in the wrong or right, who is sincere and insincere and who is telling the truth or being disingenuous, that's what you're saying? That only these two can tell, that they are always right and must be right as they and only they know and everybody else is in the wrong? Where do they hide their lie detector?
You seriously believe this?
Originally Posted by Jennyloo:
“IN all fairness drink does come into,the equation. Marc wasn't drunk for a change. Deliberately I thought but Danny and Ash were.”
“IN all fairness drink does come into,the equation. Marc wasn't drunk for a change. Deliberately I thought but Danny and Ash were.”
Not getting drunk is always deliberate if you don't drink much
Originally Posted by Veri:
“It's interesting that Jade and Marc seemed to get along pretty well after a short while. She never lost it with him like Ash and Danny did tonight, but he didn't push her as hard either.”
“It's interesting that Jade and Marc seemed to get along pretty well after a short while. She never lost it with him like Ash and Danny did tonight, but he didn't push her as hard either.”
Maybe he just liked Jade , and she didn't get crazy and aggressive , she was kind of calming and avoided confrontation
Originally Posted by JustTam:
“I don't like either of them but Ashleyne loses credibility the moment she stoops to the very level she complains about. You can't take the moral high ground when you are being just as disrespectful as the person you are accusing.”
“I don't like either of them but Ashleyne loses credibility the moment she stoops to the very level she complains about. You can't take the moral high ground when you are being just as disrespectful as the person you are accusing.”
thats true
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“Maybe he just liked Jade , and she didn't get crazy and aggressive , she was kind of calming and avoided confrontation”
“Maybe he just liked Jade , and she didn't get crazy and aggressive , she was kind of calming and avoided confrontation”
True, she did keep her calm - can't recall (although I may be wrong) her ever raising her voice, instead she'd do that annoying baby thing, but she didn't shout much (if at all).
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“bib - seriously? You're saying that Marc and Helen have appointed themselves (rightly, presumably, as you seem to be in agreement) as judge and jury over what and who is in the wrong or right, who is sincere and insincere and who is telling the truth or being disingenuous, that's what you're saying? That only these two can tell, that they are always right and must be right as they and only they know and everybody else is in the wrong? Where do they hide their lie detector?
You seriously believe this?”
“bib - seriously? You're saying that Marc and Helen have appointed themselves (rightly, presumably, as you seem to be in agreement) as judge and jury over what and who is in the wrong or right, who is sincere and insincere and who is telling the truth or being disingenuous, that's what you're saying? That only these two can tell, that they are always right and must be right as they and only they know and everybody else is in the wrong? Where do they hide their lie detector?
You seriously believe this?”
Don't you believe what you post then? What's the point in saying that ? Goading much. :
and if you read the thread it was about just Marc and Helen , not other HMs. And fyi ,
No , --
I'm saying they had reason to question , unlike Danny who just argues for sake of it with no real foundation for it and interjects during other HMs battles/ conversations.
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“bib - seriously? You're saying that Marc and Helen have appointed themselves (rightly, presumably, as you seem to be in agreement) as judge and jury over what and who is in the wrong or right, who is sincere and insincere and who is telling the truth or being disingenuous, that's what you're saying? That only these two can tell, that they are always right and must be right as they and only they know and everybody else is in the wrong? Where do they hide their lie detector?
You seriously believe this?”
“bib - seriously? You're saying that Marc and Helen have appointed themselves (rightly, presumably, as you seem to be in agreement) as judge and jury over what and who is in the wrong or right, who is sincere and insincere and who is telling the truth or being disingenuous, that's what you're saying? That only these two can tell, that they are always right and must be right as they and only they know and everybody else is in the wrong? Where do they hide their lie detector?
You seriously believe this?”
Well in reality the floaters (Nick, chloe,jack, cristian,chloe, jack , harry ,sam, chloe ,jack,nick NEVER ask questions that might actually warrant an answer that shows something of anyone's inner psyche , and the few who dare , like Helen and Mark get Sir Prancelot Wisker sticking his lancelike neb in to defend the little lambkins .Then it goes haywire .
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“The common denominator is marc because they are nearly all gunning for him .
He is the sheriff and the baddies all want to take him down .
They attempt to bully him and he turns the tables on them every time and makes them look pathetic .
Look at Trashlene trying to kiss his bum after she had vented her spleen in the DR . Tragic , but very funny .”
“The common denominator is marc because they are nearly all gunning for him .
He is the sheriff and the baddies all want to take him down .
They attempt to bully him and he turns the tables on them every time and makes them look pathetic .
Look at Trashlene trying to kiss his bum after she had vented her spleen in the DR . Tragic , but very funny .”
I must admit his dismissal of Ash at the end of the show was class, after an entire episode of her moaning, bitching just for the cameras
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Well in reality the floaters (Nick, chloe,jack, cristian,chloe, jack , harry ,sam, chloe ,jack,nick NEVER ask questions that might actually warrant an answer that shows something of anyone's inner psyche , and the few who dare , like Helen and Mark get Sir Prancelot Wisker sticking his lancelike neb in to defend the little lambkins .Then it goes haywire .”
“Well in reality the floaters (Nick, chloe,jack, cristian,chloe, jack , harry ,sam, chloe ,jack,nick NEVER ask questions that might actually warrant an answer that shows something of anyone's inner psyche , and the few who dare , like Helen and Mark get Sir Prancelot Wisker sticking his lancelike neb in to defend the little lambkins .Then it goes haywire .”
Exactly ,
Which is what separates the characters with umpf and the young bores , and what makes a good HM for reality TV.
Originally Posted by Dr. Claw:
“ash using her dead mother as an argument is pretty poor”
“ash using her dead mother as an argument is pretty poor”
The last time I heard someone swearing on there Mother to try and win an argument I was at school, and Ash is no school girl she's 36.
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“Are you forgetting when Helen got into Matthew's face ?”
“Are you forgetting when Helen got into Matthew's face ?”
Never watched last year
So no idea sorry.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“Don't you believe what you post then? What's the point in saying that ? Goading much. : and if you read the thread it was about just Marc and Helen , not other HMs.
And fyi ,
No , --
I'm saying they had reason to question , unlike Danny who just argues for sake of it with no real foundation for it and interjects during other HMs battles/ conversations.”
“Don't you believe what you post then? What's the point in saying that ? Goading much. :
and if you read the thread it was about just Marc and Helen , not other HMs. And fyi ,
No , --
I'm saying they had reason to question , unlike Danny who just argues for sake of it with no real foundation for it and interjects during other HMs battles/ conversations.”
Well you may have been saying it tongue-in-cheek Jack, I wasn't sure
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Well you may have been saying it tongue-in-cheek Jack, I wasn't sure”
“Well you may have been saying it tongue-in-cheek Jack, I wasn't sure
”
I know I know
(Sorry ,if not clear - but I meant what I said )
Has everyone suddenly forgot about Helen standing over Matthew, getting right into his face and screaming at him?
Originally Posted by threecheeses:
“Seriously?
This is both Helen and Marc's 'thing'.
Baiting and goading, Marc is a less aggressive version of Helen, much of his physical winding up is harmless and at times funny but he does also do the verbal goading to get a reaction.
It's a little tiring to see how so many people will jump on Ash, Danny, Chloe etc in the way they react to Marc, he does it on purpose and the common denominator every time is Marc, it's obvious where the problem lies.
Baiting should be a clear rule break, it's very easy sitting on your sofa to say that people are in control of their own actions etc etc”
“Seriously?
This is both Helen and Marc's 'thing'.
Baiting and goading, Marc is a less aggressive version of Helen, much of his physical winding up is harmless and at times funny but he does also do the verbal goading to get a reaction.
It's a little tiring to see how so many people will jump on Ash, Danny, Chloe etc in the way they react to Marc, he does it on purpose and the common denominator every time is Marc, it's obvious where the problem lies.
Baiting should be a clear rule break, it's very easy sitting on your sofa to say that people are in control of their own actions etc etc”
Well said.
Originally Posted by Dr. Claw:
“ash using her dead mother as an argument is pretty poor”
“ash using her dead mother as an argument is pretty poor”
She 'used' her dead mother in an attempt to close down the accusations of being a liar.
Never the less, Marc continued to goad her.
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“bib - seriously? You're saying that Marc and Helen have appointed themselves (rightly, presumably, as you seem to be in agreement) as judge and jury over what and who is in the wrong or right, who is sincere and insincere and who is telling the truth or being disingenuous, that's what you're saying? That only these two can tell, that they are always right and must be right as they and only they know and everybody else is in the wrong? Where do they hide their lie detector?
You seriously believe this?”
“bib - seriously? You're saying that Marc and Helen have appointed themselves (rightly, presumably, as you seem to be in agreement) as judge and jury over what and who is in the wrong or right, who is sincere and insincere and who is telling the truth or being disingenuous, that's what you're saying? That only these two can tell, that they are always right and must be right as they and only they know and everybody else is in the wrong? Where do they hide their lie detector?
You seriously believe this?”
Shocking, isn't it?
Originally Posted by Warp:
“Didn't Helen do exactly the same thing last year?”
“Didn't Helen do exactly the same thing last year?”
Yeah and was given a formal warning for it.
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Trashlene looked insane there . Much much more aggressive than Helen ever was .
Her behaviour during Helen leaving was ludicrous too. Has she no class ? (sorry , stupid question) . All she had to do was sit still and look unconcerned (I nearly said "ladylike , but well ------)but she couldn't even do that . For goodness sake Helen wasn't evicted . She was leaving after a very successful contract was finished with a nice little pay cheque , so what was with all the two fingers and muttering like an idiot about ?”
“Trashlene looked insane there . Much much more aggressive than Helen ever was .
Her behaviour during Helen leaving was ludicrous too. Has she no class ? (sorry , stupid question
) . All she had to do was sit still and look unconcerned (I nearly said "ladylike , but well ------)but she couldn't even do that . For goodness sake Helen wasn't evicted . She was leaving after a very successful contract was finished with a nice little pay cheque , so what was with all the two fingers and muttering like an idiot about ?”
My thoughts exactly. Aisleyne looked like a bitter little school girl when Helen left - I found her behaviour really pathetic. As for her shouting like a fishwife at Marc, she looked totally unhinged and just underlined how little class she has.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Helen seemed more in control of herself then than Aisleyne seemed tonight.”
“Helen seemed more in control of herself then than Aisleyne seemed tonight.”
The thing about Helen is she's faced up to her past and made a better life for herself and her son, started her own business (which does well, by all accounts) and I do admire her for doing that. Yes, she has a mouth on her and can be vicious but I've also seen a loyal and warm side to her too - no doubt if I'd been in the world she mixed in during her former 'job' (which she's been upfront about) I'd be harsh and defensive too.
Aisleyne, on the other hand, has nothing outside of Big Brother, apart from her 'ghetto' reputation. She looks, acts and talks cheap - way she spoke about her 'effing dead mother' and her 'effing mother's effing grave' was shocking, Put her and Helen side by side and Helen actually has dignity.
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