I'm sorry but Helen sounds very smart and articulate. I always said she was smart.
Even if you hate Helen.. Its worth a read !!
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Originally Posted by loopyluna:
“I may be wrong, but i think she was meaning that in the edit we only saw the best of Nikki, and the worst of Her.”
“I may be wrong, but i think she was meaning that in the edit we only saw the best of Nikki, and the worst of Her.”
Whether she meant that or not, it does not excuse any of her own bad behaviour, which I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.
reading articles in that ghastly paper makes me so angry. But i did read it and what utter nonsense coming from Helen. She accuses others for the same things she does.
Fat shaming. She fat shames Jack the minute she came into the bunker. She also says she dislikes slut comments. Well don't we all. BUT she called Harry and Ashlene variations of the same. She is delusional. I can't take it.
Fat shaming. She fat shames Jack the minute she came into the bunker. She also says she dislikes slut comments. Well don't we all. BUT she called Harry and Ashlene variations of the same. She is delusional. I can't take it.
I don't think there's much chance I'll ever like Helen, but haven't seen evidence she lies about anything. In which case, I can't blame her for setting the record straight and will concede there's a fair bit that makes you go hmmm and 
in equal measures.
in equal measures.
Nikkis treatment of Harry sounds ridiculous, not surprising though.
Also the bit about the crowd being warmed up is disgusting, but something I have suspected for a while...
Also the bit about the crowd being warmed up is disgusting, but something I have suspected for a while...
Originally Posted by flower 2:
“Whether she meant that or not, it does not excuse any of her own bad behaviour, which I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.”
“Whether she meant that or not, it does not excuse any of her own bad behaviour, which I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.”
No it doesn't, I don't think she is attempting to justify her behavior either, simply point out that despite the editing...others were shocking too.
Originally Posted by Vicky.:
“Nikkis treatment of Harry sounds ridiculous, not surprising though.
Also the bit about the crowd being warmed up is disgusting, but something I have suspected for a while...”
“Nikkis treatment of Harry sounds ridiculous, not surprising though.
Also the bit about the crowd being warmed up is disgusting, but something I have suspected for a while...”
Or were the crowd being told to shut up?
The bit about Nikki having chocolate in her contract, is true. She said she had her own Lindt in the fridge...
Originally Posted by flower 2:
“Using other people's 'bad' behaviour in an attempt to lessen the impact of her own foul tongue and demeanor..The "It wasn't just me Miss" school playground excuse.”
“Using other people's 'bad' behaviour in an attempt to lessen the impact of her own foul tongue and demeanor..The "It wasn't just me Miss" school playground excuse.”
I'm no Helen fan but the one-sidedness of blame is pathetic. We've had disgusting insults, name-calling, weight-shaming, people standing over other people screaming hate-filled venom into their face, extremely threatening behaviour, and disgusting gratuitous nudity, - ALL of this done by Brian or Nikki. And NOT ONE TIME did they ever receive any kind of warning or even a mild rebuke by BB about their behaviour.
THIS is what a lot of people will remember about this awful vindictive series. The absolute shameful hypocrisy from the producers and many forum members.
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“The bit about Nikki having chocolate in her contract, is true. She said she had her own Lindt in the fridge...”
“The bit about Nikki having chocolate in her contract, is true. She said she had her own Lindt in the fridge...”
Just proves that Nikki had the best agent
Who wouldn't request a few riders if the knew they were wanted in the house? I'd have had a BB Elf picking out all the pink Roses for my sole consumption.
She actually makes a multitude of genuinely good and also valid points. You may not like her, heck you may even loathe her but let's play the ball and not the man here for a change.
When people call her slut, pond scum or such like, they deserve just as much scorn as she does when she uses nasty words.
The hypocrisy of many who slate her for saying nasty stuff, whilst saying equally nasty stuff themselves is one of the funnier things about this place.
When people call her slut, pond scum or such like, they deserve just as much scorn as she does when she uses nasty words.
The hypocrisy of many who slate her for saying nasty stuff, whilst saying equally nasty stuff themselves is one of the funnier things about this place.
Interesting read about the warm up guy for the eviction crowd.
Surely someone on here was either at the eviction or knows somebody who was, that can confirm or deny these allegations ??
Surely someone on here was either at the eviction or knows somebody who was, that can confirm or deny these allegations ??
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“I don't agree with her behaviour in the house, but I do think she was made a scapegoat. Nikki was just as bad at times.
and if the warm-up bloke really did that?!!”
“I don't agree with her behaviour in the house, but I do think she was made a scapegoat. Nikki was just as bad at times.
and if the warm-up bloke really did that?!!
”
Yep, the beheading thing is disgraceful. If it had been me, I would have nothing to do with the show ever again.
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“I wish they had filmed the fire drill, I'd bloody love to have seen the separate cabins!”
“I wish they had filmed the fire drill, I'd bloody love to have seen the separate cabins!”
Would explain why the other HMs looked off with Nikki when she returned to the house. They were shown sat at the table on BBBOTS, Danny had a look of disdain on his face.
lol its just her trying to justify what she did, while drip feeding in about her 'bad past'
If you fall for it, then... I don't know!
If you fall for it, then... I don't know!
Originally Posted by newgirl55:
“lol its just her trying to justify what she did, while drip feeding in about her 'bad past'
If you fall for it, then... I don't know!”
“lol its just her trying to justify what she did, while drip feeding in about her 'bad past'
If you fall for it, then... I don't know!”
If all of Nikkis behavior can be excused because of her past, then why is Helens past totally irrelevant to the bitch she is today?
Also still not going for her trying to justify what she did..think shes pointing out the ridiculously biased editing that we already know exists.
Originally Posted by Karen_Annanina:
“I love Helen! She has no illusions about her reputation, she knows she gets it completely wrong on many occasions, but she holds her hands up and takes the blame. Loads of people don't like her, but much of the hatred is exaggerated and irrational. I believe she's very honest, and she has provided some interesting insights. It amazes me that there are people here who excuse and defend Katie Hopkins but can't think of words bad enough to describe Helen. Perhaps they should note that there are HMs who thought she was lovely and was always nice to them.”
“I love Helen! She has no illusions about her reputation, she knows she gets it completely wrong on many occasions, but she holds her hands up and takes the blame. Loads of people don't like her, but much of the hatred is exaggerated and irrational. I believe she's very honest, and she has provided some interesting insights. It amazes me that there are people here who excuse and defend Katie Hopkins but can't think of words bad enough to describe Helen. Perhaps they should note that there are HMs who thought she was lovely and was always nice to them.”
I'm being Honest....you look like a Murderer and a Rapist....no offence like....just saying.....just being Honest
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“The bit about Nikki having chocolate in her contract, is true. She said she had her own Lindt in the fridge...”
“The bit about Nikki having chocolate in her contract, is true. She said she had her own Lindt in the fridge...”
Nikki had her own food and treats in her contract. Helen must of really hated that!
I don't dislike helen. I don't love and adore her. In fact, she hasn't ever done anything that has offended me personally. But i disgaree with about 70 per cent that comes out of her mouth. I don't know why people go out there to insult her. There's not point. It's like being in the playground. That isn't to say her actions should be forgotten but people threatning her is just wrong and makes her just as bad she is in some ways.
I do agree with her in some areas. This is mainly to do with Nikki, not her problems with Brian.
Nikki and Brian did regard themselves as legends. They were slightly arrogant about it. They know they are loved by the public. They could kill the queen and would still be cheered and adored.
Nikki did have an issue with Helen before. I remember Helen making a comment that she was a bit unsure on Nikki coming in the house as Nikki had slagged her off in the press. But Nikki was slagging her off first with the beyonce comment. There was no need for it to be honest. Helen seemed nice to Nikki and was welcoming. Nikki had to wait to until she was out the room to say the Beyonce comment. But then Nikki had to have Ash come into the house until she got the balls to go one on one with her, so Nikki was shown to be a bit of a coward anyway.
But as Helen goes on to say. It's wrong when Helen called her a skinny bitch, but it's ok when Nikki calls her a slut. Both are bad as each other for insulting each other regarding their past lives with eating disorders and prostitution. But Helen also says Nikki made comments about Harry's weight. So if that is true, Nikki is a hypocrite.
She also goes on to say she had a shitty childhood like Nikki did, but refuses to use that for how her behaviour is towards people, which means she isn't making excuses.
As for Nikki's panic attack in the store room, i wasn't convinced either. Like Helen says, she has suffered from them and that is not how they are. I suffer with them and I can back her up that Nikki's' "panic attack" wasn't a panic attack. It was a good time but that got a bit out of hand, and because she got smacked in the face, she didn't like it and went running to the diary room like a little girl.
I do agree with her in some areas. This is mainly to do with Nikki, not her problems with Brian.
Nikki and Brian did regard themselves as legends. They were slightly arrogant about it. They know they are loved by the public. They could kill the queen and would still be cheered and adored.
Nikki did have an issue with Helen before. I remember Helen making a comment that she was a bit unsure on Nikki coming in the house as Nikki had slagged her off in the press. But Nikki was slagging her off first with the beyonce comment. There was no need for it to be honest. Helen seemed nice to Nikki and was welcoming. Nikki had to wait to until she was out the room to say the Beyonce comment. But then Nikki had to have Ash come into the house until she got the balls to go one on one with her, so Nikki was shown to be a bit of a coward anyway.
But as Helen goes on to say. It's wrong when Helen called her a skinny bitch, but it's ok when Nikki calls her a slut. Both are bad as each other for insulting each other regarding their past lives with eating disorders and prostitution. But Helen also says Nikki made comments about Harry's weight. So if that is true, Nikki is a hypocrite.
She also goes on to say she had a shitty childhood like Nikki did, but refuses to use that for how her behaviour is towards people, which means she isn't making excuses.
As for Nikki's panic attack in the store room, i wasn't convinced either. Like Helen says, she has suffered from them and that is not how they are. I suffer with them and I can back her up that Nikki's' "panic attack" wasn't a panic attack. It was a good time but that got a bit out of hand, and because she got smacked in the face, she didn't like it and went running to the diary room like a little girl.
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“She actually makes a multitude of genuinely good and also valid points. You may not like her, heck you may even loathe her but let's play the ball and not the man here for a change.
When people call her slut, pond scum or such like, they deserve just as much scorn as she does when she uses nasty words.
The hypocrisy of many who slate her for saying nasty stuff, whilst saying equally nasty stuff themselves is one of the funnier things about this place.”
“She actually makes a multitude of genuinely good and also valid points. You may not like her, heck you may even loathe her but let's play the ball and not the man here for a change.
When people call her slut, pond scum or such like, they deserve just as much scorn as she does when she uses nasty words.
The hypocrisy of many who slate her for saying nasty stuff, whilst saying equally nasty stuff themselves is one of the funnier things about this place.”
BIB Exactly what I've been saying ! Nikki, Brian and some forum members are apparently allowed to have a potty mouth, yet Helen is "the spawn of Satan" when she does it according to those same people that villify her. A lot of what she's said in that article is what I have been noticing all along, which is why I take no notice at all of what Danny says about Marc, he DOES constantly tell him to shut up, he tells some of the others to shut up too if they don't agree with what he says, and he DOES constantly pick on Marc, even when it's nothing to do with him. You can see that both he and Brian absolutely HATED it when Marc stayed calm even when they were yelling right into his face at him. In that article she's not excusing herself, she's just saying that others behaved the same way yet she was the only one that got villified for it, and she's completely right. Would have been interesting to have seen what Nikki got the warning for, wish Helen had said. Also I wondered why Harry had suddenly got friendly with Helen, after reading that I now know why, she's seen Nikki and Brian for what they were.
Sounds bad about Nikki but I'll wait to hear another version before making my mind up.
The warm up man stuff is horrible if true but why hasn't this been mentioned before (a very reasonable poster on here was there and said the crowd were vile but didn't talk about that)?
So basically Nikki is a product of her childhood, so is Helen. Helen chooses not to speak about it, Nikki does because - unlike Helen - she acknowledges it to some degree making her what she is today. Does Helen realise that people are different, have different characters, and respond to things differently? Or should we all react just like her?
She's very fond of Harry now but she made that girl's life miserable for days.
She just can't see it can she? She needs help just as much as Nikki does imho.
Had to laugh at the end when she says I'm sad and have issues because I read her column but still detest her
Always in the right x 3 from Helen as ever.
The warm up man stuff is horrible if true but why hasn't this been mentioned before (a very reasonable poster on here was there and said the crowd were vile but didn't talk about that)?
So basically Nikki is a product of her childhood, so is Helen. Helen chooses not to speak about it, Nikki does because - unlike Helen - she acknowledges it to some degree making her what she is today. Does Helen realise that people are different, have different characters, and respond to things differently? Or should we all react just like her?
She's very fond of Harry now but she made that girl's life miserable for days.
She just can't see it can she? She needs help just as much as Nikki does imho.
Had to laugh at the end when she says I'm sad and have issues because I read her column but still detest her
Always in the right x 3 from Helen as ever.
Originally Posted by Vicky.:
“If all of Nikkis behavior can be excused because of her past, then why is Helens past totally irrelevant to the bitch she is today?
Also still not going for her trying to justify what she did..think shes pointing out the ridiculously biased editing that we already know exists.”
“If all of Nikkis behavior can be excused because of her past, then why is Helens past totally irrelevant to the bitch she is today?
Also still not going for her trying to justify what she did..think shes pointing out the ridiculously biased editing that we already know exists.”
Oh no, NONE of the behaviour for anyone, but we only have Helens point of view... (which, well, going on her rants, never make any sense to me) I want to see ALL points of view.
There are too many sides and views, we cant just go on one persons view!
I dont know if she is or isn't telling the truth about the house, but imo I think the dust has settled and the penny has dropped. Most of the article is bad mouthing nikkii but the most telling thing about it for me is the bit where she says that calling her a slut is defamation. Is she trying to imply she is getting ready to defend herself in court if need be. Maybe running scared?? Plus if she is as she says not made of stone and gets upset with being called horrible names then surely she knows how much it hurts others so why persist??
Originally Posted by newgirl55:
“Oh no, NONE of the behaviour for anyone, but we only have Helens point of view... (which, well, going on her rants, never make any sense to me) I want to see ALL points of view.
There are too many sides and views, we cant just go on one persons view!”
“Oh no, NONE of the behaviour for anyone, but we only have Helens point of view... (which, well, going on her rants, never make any sense to me) I want to see ALL points of view.
There are too many sides and views, we cant just go on one persons view!”
LOL did you not see Nikki's worried face when Helen left before her ? She said wtte, "Oh God she'll be slating me to hell by now" and had a really worried look on her face. Now I know why.
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