Read it and still despise her. I am no fan of Nikki - all of these 'nobodies' are pond life and need to take a look at themselves
Even if you hate Helen.. Its worth a read !!
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Originally Posted by froja:
“reading articles in that ghastly paper makes me so angry. But i did read it and what utter nonsense coming from Helen. She accuses others for the same things she does.
Fat shaming. She fat shames Jack the minute she came into the bunker. She also says she dislikes slut comments. Well don't we all. BUT she called Harry and Ashlene variations of the same. She is delusional. I can't take it.”
“reading articles in that ghastly paper makes me so angry. But i did read it and what utter nonsense coming from Helen. She accuses others for the same things she does.
Fat shaming. She fat shames Jack the minute she came into the bunker. She also says she dislikes slut comments. Well don't we all. BUT she called Harry and Ashlene variations of the same. She is delusional. I can't take it.”
What don't you understand about her saying others do the same things she does? We already know Helen did all those things. She openly admits to it all the time. But when do we ever hear Brian or Nikki admitting to it or even apologising in any way, even tho we have all seen their shameful antics?If you actually did read Helen's article, in which she freely admits to her own shocking behaviour, one can only conclude that you are the last person who should be accusing anyone of being "delusional"
It's one of those "I dont care what people think about me"..............."Please please please love me" articles.
Helen made an awful mistake with Her comments to Brian.
But I still think as a whole she behaved much better than the other 2. I actually feel sorry for the way she's been treated.
But I still think as a whole she behaved much better than the other 2. I actually feel sorry for the way she's been treated.
Originally Posted by Lozzo99:
“I'm no Helen fan but the one-sidedness of blame is pathetic. We've had disgusting insults, name-calling, weight-shaming, people standing over other people screaming hate-filled venom into their face, extremely threatening behaviour, and disgusting gratuitous nudity, - ALL of this done by Brian or Nikki. And NOT ONE TIME did they ever receive any kind of warning or even a mild rebuke by BB about their behaviour.
THIS is what a lot of people will remember about this awful vindictive series. The absolute shameful hypocrisy from the producers and many forum members.”
“I'm no Helen fan but the one-sidedness of blame is pathetic. We've had disgusting insults, name-calling, weight-shaming, people standing over other people screaming hate-filled venom into their face, extremely threatening behaviour, and disgusting gratuitous nudity, - ALL of this done by Brian or Nikki. And NOT ONE TIME did they ever receive any kind of warning or even a mild rebuke by BB about their behaviour.
THIS is what a lot of people will remember about this awful vindictive series. The absolute shameful hypocrisy from the producers and many forum members.”
Agree with this. Helen is of course a big mouth who doesn't know when to stop at times. But we all saw both Brian an Nikki fly at her in temper and scream in her face. Brian with his fists clenched and Nikki with her hands flailing. We all saw that yet some people thinks that OK.
I'm glad Helen is putting her side across becuase without live feed the viewers are being manipulated into hatred for some people and admiration for others.
Nikki behaving like a diva doesn't surprise me. We are shown her tantrums and expected to love her for it. We are expected to erase from our minds these images!of Brian with hate oozing from his face and having to be held back from facing up to a woman. I don't think for a minute that there were times when these two took things too far, just like Helen did.
Let's see if either of these two come back with anything informative. I don't mean just childish insults about pondlife etc. If they have anything actually revealing about Helen or anyone else's behaviour I want to hear it.
The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.
Originally Posted by yowie29:
“I dont know if she is or isn't telling the truth about the house, but imo I think the dust has settled and the penny has dropped. Most of the article is bad mouthing nikkii but the most telling thing about it for me is the bit where she says that calling her a slut is defamation. Is she trying to imply she is getting ready to defend herself in court if need be. Maybe running scared?? Plus if she is as she says not made of stone and gets upset with being called horrible names then surely she knows how much it hurts others so why persist??”
“I dont know if she is or isn't telling the truth about the house, but imo I think the dust has settled and the penny has dropped. Most of the article is bad mouthing nikkii but the most telling thing about it for me is the bit where she says that calling her a slut is defamation. Is she trying to imply she is getting ready to defend herself in court if need be. Maybe running scared?? Plus if she is as she says not made of stone and gets upset with being called horrible names then surely she knows how much it hurts others so why persist??”
Calling someone a slut isn't on the same level as the illegal activities of raping and taking coke, so doubt she will go there, or she certainly wouldn't get anywhere if she tried.
Can't stand the woman, claiming she won't mention her past, whilst mentioning her past. Always saying someone else was just as bad or worse, too many 'buts' and 'yets'.
She always has to mention the most extreme examples of the reactions she gets, what about responding to the more reasoned poster who just wants her to take responsibility for her actions?
Having said all that, credit where credit is due it is certainly better than she has done in the past and is a (baby) step in the right direction, maybe she will get there one day.
Originally Posted by nattoyaki:
“Sounds bad about Nikki but I'll wait to hear another version before making my mind up.
The warm up man stuff is horrible if true but why hasn't this been mentioned before (a very reasonable poster on here was there and said the crowd were vile but didn't talk about that)?
So basically Nikki is a product of her childhood, so is Helen. Helen chooses not to speak about it, Nikki does because - unlike Helen - she acknowledges it to some degree making her what she is today. Does Helen realise that people are different, have different characters, and respond to things differently? Or should we all react just like her?
She's very fond of Harry now but she made that girl's life miserable for days.
She just can't see it can she? She needs help just as much as Nikki does imho.
Had to laugh at the end when she says I'm sad and have issues because I read her column but still detest her
Always in the right x 3 from Helen as ever.”
“Sounds bad about Nikki but I'll wait to hear another version before making my mind up.
The warm up man stuff is horrible if true but why hasn't this been mentioned before (a very reasonable poster on here was there and said the crowd were vile but didn't talk about that)?
So basically Nikki is a product of her childhood, so is Helen. Helen chooses not to speak about it, Nikki does because - unlike Helen - she acknowledges it to some degree making her what she is today. Does Helen realise that people are different, have different characters, and respond to things differently? Or should we all react just like her?
She's very fond of Harry now but she made that girl's life miserable for days.
She just can't see it can she? She needs help just as much as Nikki does imho.
Had to laugh at the end when she says I'm sad and have issues because I read her column but still detest her
Always in the right x 3 from Helen as ever.”
BIB, only from what Nikki was telling her ! As she said to Harry on the show, she was one of the ones that she had grown to like once she had stopped listening to others and got to know her properly, she said the same thing about Jade. Nikki was the one that was telling her that Harry and Jade were awful and feeding Helen what Cristian said too to reinforce her POV as being correct. As Helen said, she had no idea until they'd been in the house a few days what Brian and Nikki were up to behind her back, and I noticed at the time that it was Marc that clicked on first what the other two were up to and told Helen. Chloe has said that she can't say anything bad about Helen as she'd been fine with her. Danny and Cristian didn't like her because she could see right through their act, Jack goes with anything Danny says now that he knows he's not as popular as he thought, (even though he KNOWS it was Nikki that told him all those lies about him on the outside, and we even saw her say what she was going to do in the bunker, yet they're blaming Marc for a lot of what Nikki and Brian did). Nick is too scared to go against Danny etc cos he knows he'll be an immediate target for noms and Joel, Sam and Simon all liked Helen when they got to know her. From what I've seen on the show I'm inclined to believe what Helen has said, because we've seen a lot of it happening anyway, both on the Highlights and the website and BOTS clips.
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“BIB Exactly what I've been saying ! Nikki, Brian and some forum members are apparently allowed to have a potty mouth, yet Helen is "the spawn of Satan" when she does it according to those same people that villify her. A lot of what she's said in that article is what I have been noticing all along, which is why I take no notice at all of what Danny says about Marc, he DOES constantly tell him to shut up, he tells some of the others to shut up too if they don't agree with what he says, and he DOES constantly pick on Marc, even when it's nothing to do with him. You can see that both he and Brian absolutely HATED it when Marc stayed calm even when they were yelling right into his face at him. In that article she's not excusing herself, she's just saying that others behaved the same way yet she was the only one that got villified for it, and she's completely right. Would have been interesting to have seen what Nikki got the warning for, wish Helen had said. Also I wondered why Harry had suddenly got friendly with Helen, after reading that I now know why, she's seen Nikki and Brian for what they were.”
“BIB Exactly what I've been saying ! Nikki, Brian and some forum members are apparently allowed to have a potty mouth, yet Helen is "the spawn of Satan" when she does it according to those same people that villify her. A lot of what she's said in that article is what I have been noticing all along, which is why I take no notice at all of what Danny says about Marc, he DOES constantly tell him to shut up, he tells some of the others to shut up too if they don't agree with what he says, and he DOES constantly pick on Marc, even when it's nothing to do with him. You can see that both he and Brian absolutely HATED it when Marc stayed calm even when they were yelling right into his face at him. In that article she's not excusing herself, she's just saying that others behaved the same way yet she was the only one that got villified for it, and she's completely right. Would have been interesting to have seen what Nikki got the warning for, wish Helen had said. Also I wondered why Harry had suddenly got friendly with Helen, after reading that I now know why, she's seen Nikki and Brian for what they were.”
Ha, exactly! Really well said and glad you see it too. I actually thought people that slate Helen for saying nasty things, whilst doing exactly the same (or in some cases worse) things themselves were doing some kind of satire but over time have realised that they are being serious.
You've got to laugh.
The rest of your post is spot on too by the way.
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
And if you don't you're a **** and have issues
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
I think this post pretty much nails it.
A more than accurate and fair summation i would say and yeah- double standards and hypocrisy seem to be rife.
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
Not really. If I go and see a magician, I want a rabbit from a hat. Her role is to be the c@@t, she does it well and gets paid for it. Job done.
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
BIB, Don't hold your breath for that to happen, those that love to villify Helen won't see anything that they don't want to, they prefer their version of her. Not quite sure why though. I can imagine some being really hard to be friends with in real life, you'd have to be Mother Teresa to live up to some expectations. Mind you, it's been said that even she had her nasty side on occasions (as most do), so maybe you'd have to aim even higher
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“BIB, Don't hold your breath for that to happen, those that love to villify Helen won't see anything that they don't want to, they prefer their version of her. Not quite sure why though. I can imagine some being really hard to be friends with in real life, you'd have to be Mother Teresa to live up to some expectations. Mind you, it's been said that even she had her nasty side on occasions (as most do), so maybe you'd have to aim even higher”
“BIB, Don't hold your breath for that to happen, those that love to villify Helen won't see anything that they don't want to, they prefer their version of her. Not quite sure why though. I can imagine some being really hard to be friends with in real life, you'd have to be Mother Teresa to live up to some expectations. Mind you, it's been said that even she had her nasty side on occasions (as most do), so maybe you'd have to aim even higher
”
I've come to the conclusion that people need a villain, someone they can use as a means to vent their own personal frustrations. And if such a person doesn't exist? They will create one. Mob mentality takes over and everyone jumps on board the hate bus safe in the knowledge that they're just another face in the crowd.
Originally Posted by cavalli:
“She's bang on the money about Nikki.”
“She's bang on the money about Nikki.”
Yes, that exit interview was a white wash.
All she needed to say was it was wrong to say what she said. And will try to refrain from saying such controversial and offensive things in the future.
She didn't.
Instead she is just continuing the debate/slagging match. Wonder why?
As for Nikki/Brian - if it's all panto as she says then she shouldn't be surprised at the biased edit good, bad, ugly, pretty.. Or moan about it either as she said it's all panto. It's showbiz..
It's the viewers that lose out here if things haven't been shown in a balanced way. Helen being wronged is a load of rubbish. She still said plenty other stuff that helped BB edit her as the panto villian.
She didn't.
Instead she is just continuing the debate/slagging match. Wonder why?
As for Nikki/Brian - if it's all panto as she says then she shouldn't be surprised at the biased edit good, bad, ugly, pretty.. Or moan about it either as she said it's all panto. It's showbiz..
It's the viewers that lose out here if things haven't been shown in a balanced way. Helen being wronged is a load of rubbish. She still said plenty other stuff that helped BB edit her as the panto villian.
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
“The point Helen is trying to make is that because of Nikki and Brian's "popularity" their sins are white washed and forgotten. Whereas Helen is castigated for hers because she's "unpopular". It's double standards, it's hypocritical and mostly... it's horribly unfair. If you're a fair minded person you will see, and agree with, her point.”
But she also says that she knows she was put back in to be the pantomime villan - so surely common sense would say that that is the side of you they are going to show - and that she was fine with it.
She was put in to fulfil a role, which she did. She had options - she could have not gone back in at all or she could have tempered her act, but she didn't. She did what BB employed her to do, so she can't really gripe if that's the version of her that got the most airtime.
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“I've come to the conclusion that people need a villain, someone they can use as a means to vent their own personal frustrations. And if such a person doesn't exist? They will create one. Mob mentality takes over and everyone jumps on board the hate bus safe in the knowledge that they're just another face in the crowd.”
“I've come to the conclusion that people need a villain, someone they can use as a means to vent their own personal frustrations. And if such a person doesn't exist? They will create one. Mob mentality takes over and everyone jumps on board the hate bus safe in the knowledge that they're just another face in the crowd.
”
And you'd be right, as you can see
How can you seriously moan about being cast as the villian when she herself admitted she knew that would happen?
It all stinks of back tracking to serve her own purposes..
A straight forward apology would suffice.
It all stinks of back tracking to serve her own purposes..
A straight forward apology would suffice.
To be a 'Friend' of somebody like Helen, you have to be seen to agree with her every opinion, if you dare to voice an opinion that does not match hers......well, you had better say hello to the curb.
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“And you'd be right, as you can see”
“And you'd be right, as you can see
”
But... I don't want to be right!
People talking about people as pantomine villains as though their abstractions validate their hate. What a world.
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“I've come to the conclusion that people need a villain, someone they can use as a means to vent their own personal frustrations. And if such a person doesn't exist? They will create one. Mob mentality takes over and everyone jumps on board the hate bus safe in the knowledge that they're just another face in the crowd.”
“I've come to the conclusion that people need a villain, someone they can use as a means to vent their own personal frustrations. And if such a person doesn't exist? They will create one. Mob mentality takes over and everyone jumps on board the hate bus safe in the knowledge that they're just another face in the crowd.
”
And if the person concerned willing and knowingly puts themself up for employment as the villain (it could be argued not once but twice) takes the money for the employment and admits that what they were there to do - what then?
I don't like her because of run ins in the past, but I'd never wish death on her or retaliate the way she does.
I think she won't ever change, but there is no point trolling her online or shouting at her about it, because Helen is who she is.
I think she won't ever change, but there is no point trolling her online or shouting at her about it, because Helen is who she is.
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