Of course there can be truth to an argument. If A claims that B never said that the car was red, however later it is shown that B did say the car was red A is in fact wrong.

That wasn't the truth though was it? It was the 'truth' Brian wanted you to believe.

The only reason Brian felt antagonised by Marc was because Marc consistently called Brian out on his lies.

This is how Nick gets away with his nominations, he plays the vague card on his "perceptions" of things, his take of things, "it's just my opinion, I still love you tho" that kind of crap...it's long over due someone pulled him up on this.

Yes, so much for Marc's boasts about honesty.

Exactly right. Marc isn't in possession of absolute truth and he is far from utterly honest. He is subject to biases and prejudices and self-protection as much as anyone else is. This 'truth' soundbite is just propaganda to distract and persuade. I'm amazed that people fall for it so readily. I guess it just suits them to because it's so obviously nonsense.

As the saying goes:

A rich man doesn't need to tell you how rich he is.
A good man doesn't need to tell you how good he is.
A smart man doesn't need to tell you how smart he is.

And an honest man doesn't need to tell you how honest he is, let along bang on about it like he does.

if nick had said marc annoys me hes loud etc etc it would of been all fine

instead he chose a reason to do with a housemate that not even in the house and well not true at all he didn't do anything to intimidate Brian

nick remember was very close to nikki and she fed him crap 24-7 that's probably where he got his ideas from

In your opinion. This is not fact.

nick gave his reasons and as usual because Marc didnt agree he just said they were all lies. He asks for examples but then never lets anyone speak and then if they do manage to speak he accuses them of lying. He is so dellusional and narcassistic its intrue. And people jump on the honest bandwagon he has going as if its fact

Absolutely spot on.

Marc can handle the truth

He's the worst of the lot.

A bitter nasty little man.

They were in there they could see what was going on. They were Nick's reasosn. When did Marc get to define what is and is not a valid reason? Again with arbiter of truth rubbish. Who Died and put Marc in Charge?

Quite.

He forgets we all saw how relieved he was during the false eviction. He is desperate to stay. The man's a complete hypocrite.

Good lord.

Are you really suggesting Nick should not be voting based on his perceptions of events he has seen. I have a perception of you based on just your post here. That either you are trying to wind people up or you have no concept of what a perception is.

Surely the whole point of them voting, the reason viewers pick up the phone and vote is based on a perception they have of the housemate. What do you expect them to base it on if not their own opinion?

Another informative and winning argument.

Yes, who doesn't think they're honest and truthful, anyway? No one goes around claiming to be a liar. Marc's just parading a characteristic that most people think they possess as a gimmick. If he means 'direct', he's not using the right words and he's not that, either.

This is the man who was going to eavesdrop on Aisleyne and report back to Helen.

It's like Luke with his "hundwed gwand" comments.

I made this thread about Marc: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...1#post78734175

I gave you a perfect example as to why "perceptions" can cover a wide range of events that may have happened but probably didn't happen in a previous post.

Nick spun his "perception" to paint Marc as some kind of bully and the reason why Brian attention seeked his way over the wall.

I'd prefer honest reasons given during nominations and not "perceptions".

We viewers have to go on what the editors show us, and what we saw was Brian dragging Marc into arguments that wasn't anything to do with Marc...all the antagonising came from Belo.

OMG I can't stop laughing !!! Little wishy washy, floppy hair obssessed Nick, who is so afraid of getting into Danny's bad books that he even makes fun of Harry to keep them laughing so they don't have him in their nomination sights ! He knows that Marc is the only one that won't hold a grudge for longer than 5 mins so it's easier to nom him. He's a cop out.

Nick is a lying devious wimp and everyone can see it. Lost all respect for him after that cowardly cop out. I notice how you say that Nick was "speaking of his feelings and perception" as opposed to the true version of events. Nick as much as admitted his view is skewed and biased by his total adulation of Brian and Nikki and their whole BB act. Even Harry, who detests Marc with a passion, called Nick out on his blatant bullsh!t - and she stuck to her guns even when Danny and Cristian tried to shut her up. Good on her for seeing through all this blatant anti-Marc gameplaying and invention.

Oh fgs, all the housemate's reasons for nominating other Hms are built upon their perceptions!!!

Nail...head.

And of course Nick wont get any backlash from the others if he nominated who they wanted.

His nominations were weak and the reasons were way off the Marc....you see what I did there.

Well it would have been nice if their perceptions had some truth to them.

Perceptions can be spun in any which way to paint a HM to sound worse than they really are...and that's where I think game playing becomes nasty.

Ok then, the night when Danny got into Marc's face, I saw Danny headbutt Marc...there you are, that's my "perception", and you cant call me a liar using your logic.

You got it in one.

Why ?
If that is how he feels, what has it got to do with anyone else?

Obviously a lot of viewers feel the same about what the housemates talk about in noms.

I feel that Marc and Helens presence was enough to make prople feel uneasy and make them not like them.

Sorry about this but I feel like I am going to sound like a teacher at school.

Reasons are defined as "the mental powers concerned with forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences:"

So yes your perception of an event is a part of the process we go through we forming a conclusion to define a reason.

IE the Reason he voted for Marc was because of his perception of the event lead to him forming a conclusion Marc was antagonising Brian.

This is not a black and white issue. It is not about the facts. The fact is Marc did splash Brian I hope you will accept that is correct.

Now Nick's perception of that event was it was antagonising Brian. Clearly Brian also though it was antagonising him. Marc did not however that does not make Marc view correct.

It was aimed at Brian so the only people who knows if Brian was antagonized by the events is Brian certainly not fing Marc.