Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“He was never a competitor
”
“He was never a competitor
”
I think that person may be referring to the game of taking down hated helen so that he was the hero
Marc Never Bullied Brian!!!
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Originally Posted by Astute:
“Yes , that was quite telling
I wonder if Cristian will dare say something”
“Yes , that was quite telling
I wonder if Cristian will dare say something”
If Cristian broke free from "The Clique", became more independent like Joel I think he would earn some respect for himself. Danny and "The Clique" have him brainwashed. He's little more then their yappy lapdog and they'll discard him like a bad habit when the need arises.
Originally Posted by Tayto:
“When did 2 out of 4 become a majority?”
“When did 2 out of 4 become a majority?
”
two scenarios:
1. the 4th person abstains from voting
2. there are two votes for an ally and 1 vote for another ally. You don't choose between friends. Brian nows this and that is why he picked Sam…to make Marc look bad (he thought marc may choose sam and then he could argue) which would then drag helen into it.
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“LOL exactly, they all have their own agendas and they're determined to get rid of Marc cos they're terrified that he's going to win as the public voted him into the bunker. The die was set when he came back in and told them he'd seen what they'd been saying about him and since then they've taken every opportunity to try and bring him down, each in their own way, although Danny and Cristian orchestrate most of it. Chloe sits there and says she likes everyone so the public will think she's a nice girl, but still sticks rigidly to the party line so she doesn't get on the wrong side of Danny, Nick is terrified of them targetting him, so he toes the line too, even Joel has started doing it this last week. Harry is the only one that doesn't care about the rest of them, although even with her trying to be fair on tonight's show, when Danny started on at her she fairly rapidly shut up. At least she was fair to Marc, even though he hates him. I can't wait for Aisleyne to come out and see what Danny has been saying about her, serves her right, Marc has been the only one who actually gave her any good unbiased advice yet she can't wait to go and be a "mug" again and toe Danny's party line. I'm amazed that no-one else has clocked on to his sly little smiles.”
“LOL exactly, they all have their own agendas and they're determined to get rid of Marc cos they're terrified that he's going to win as the public voted him into the bunker. The die was set when he came back in and told them he'd seen what they'd been saying about him and since then they've taken every opportunity to try and bring him down, each in their own way, although Danny and Cristian orchestrate most of it. Chloe sits there and says she likes everyone so the public will think she's a nice girl, but still sticks rigidly to the party line so she doesn't get on the wrong side of Danny, Nick is terrified of them targetting him, so he toes the line too, even Joel has started doing it this last week. Harry is the only one that doesn't care about the rest of them, although even with her trying to be fair on tonight's show, when Danny started on at her she fairly rapidly shut up. At least she was fair to Marc, even though he hates him. I can't wait for Aisleyne to come out and see what Danny has been saying about her, serves her right, Marc has been the only one who actually gave her any good unbiased advice yet she can't wait to go and be a "mug" again and toe Danny's party line. I'm amazed that no-one else has clocked on to his sly little smiles.”
well said!
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“I saw Helen and Marc goad, antagonise and BULLY Brian, is that good enough for you?”
“I saw Helen and Marc goad, antagonise and BULLY Brian, is that good enough for you?”
Do you have any examples? Thanks
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Was he lying when he said Mark didn't save Cristian?
Mark still seems under the deluded impression that he did - strange really being that Cristian faced the vote that week.
When Mark keeps going on about people lying I think he needs to have a look at himself.
He's clearly not all there.”
“Was he lying when he said Mark didn't save Cristian?
Mark still seems under the deluded impression that he did - strange really being that Cristian faced the vote that week.
When Mark keeps going on about people lying I think he needs to have a look at himself.
He's clearly not all there.”
when they were deciding who to nominate in the beginning, before they knew how many that had to nominate, Marc kept Danny and Cristian safe….until he could no longer do so. The others wanted them up and he pulled them to the middle of the table away from the potential nominees. Brian conveniently misconstrued these events since Brian was pushing for them to be up.
Originally Posted by GrozzyGirl:
“I think he's not wired up properly because he's quite bright by BB HMs standards but he has no self awareness. . He sits in the DR and says ridiculous things, tonight he as raving about them wanting to win, everyone who goes in wants to win, including Marc yet he claims he doesn't. So they are all lying but he isn't? is that what we are supposed to believe ?
He sits saying they want the money, does he not want £150k? He says they are all nominating the people they don't Like , that they aren't friends with, well that's the name of the games isn't it!
He's just ranting on like dog with rabies. Total rubbish.”
“I think he's not wired up properly because he's quite bright by BB HMs standards but he has no self awareness. . He sits in the DR and says ridiculous things, tonight he as raving about them wanting to win, everyone who goes in wants to win, including Marc yet he claims he doesn't. So they are all lying but he isn't? is that what we are supposed to believe ?
He sits saying they want the money, does he not want £150k? He says they are all nominating the people they don't Like , that they aren't friends with, well that's the name of the games isn't it!
He's just ranting on like dog with rabies. Total rubbish.”
He's the one who previously had naively had Danny's back while at the same time Danny was bad mouthing him to everyone…spreading his poison. Marc even was gushing nice about Harry while Danny got her in line and she was back apologizing to Nick and agreeing with Danny.
Originally Posted by carnoch04:
“Nonsense!
Brian and Marc BOTH said "Not Jade" when the other two suggested her. Brian suggested Sam, Nikki said she would be happy with Jade or Sam. Marc then decided to put it to a vote in which he abstained. If he had stuck to his "Not Jade" stance, they would have had to agree on someone else but he couldn't stand up to Helen for more than a few seconds before backing down.”
“Nonsense!
Brian and Marc BOTH said "Not Jade" when the other two suggested her. Brian suggested Sam, Nikki said she would be happy with Jade or Sam. Marc then decided to put it to a vote in which he abstained. If he had stuck to his "Not Jade" stance, they would have had to agree on someone else but he couldn't stand up to Helen for more than a few seconds before backing down.”
Seemingly alot of half truths being spoken in order to make a point one way or another, seemingly no one seems to objectively judge a situation without bias, some may say this is hard to do but it really isn't..
I may have disliked Helen last year, this year i liked her but what she said to Brian was indefensible, there is no need for bias.. So those who dislike Marc have no need to pin every little thing on him just for the sake of it..
Case in point, that day Victor came in and told Marc he was essentially getting too big for his boots after knowing how popular he was, so when the nominations came up Marc made a point of saying you guys decide and we'll go by majority, Brian chose Sam, Sam being one of Marcs friends he wasnt going to pick her or. Jade so th decision was made without his input..
If anything considering how much Brian cares for Jade he did a despicable job of defending Jade against Christian and Danny when he had no issue sticking up for Chloe.. Marc on the other hand made it crystal clear he wasn't taking sides, so i fail to see how Marc is in the wrong despite some members on here seemingly blaming him for Jades departure..
On topic though, Marc didn't bully Brian it seems viewers have selective memories when it comes to every time Brian pulled Marc aside and told him he was a decent guy and it was Helen he had the issue with, Brian from there began instigating the arguments ie; when Jade was evicted, as a woman pointed out on bots Brian began his tirade of abuse against Helen, Helen retaliated to which viewers decided Helen and Marc had targeted Brian, which was very telling of how everything is skewed to portray Marc as the Big bad panto villian at any given opportunity.
Originally Posted by kaceyy:
“Seemingly alot of half truths being spoken in order to make a point one way or another, seemingly no one seems to objectively judge a situation without bias, some may say this is hard to do but it really isn't..
I may have disliked Helen last year, this year i liked her but what she said to Brian was indefensible, there is no need for bias.. So those who dislike Marc have no need to pin every little thing on him just for the sake of it..
Case in point, that day Victor came in and told Marc he was essentially getting too big for his boots after knowing how popular he was, so when the nominations came up Marc made a point of saying you guys decide and we'll go by majority, Brian chose Sam, Sam being one of Marcs friends he wasnt going to pick her or. Jade so th decision was made without his input..
If anything considering how much Brian cares for Jade he did a despicable job of defending Jade against Christian and Danny when he had no issue sticking up for Chloe.. Marc on the other hand made it crystal clear he wasn't taking sides, so i fail to see how Marc is in the wrong despite some members on here seemingly blaming him for Jades departure..
On topic though, Marc didn't bully Brian it seems viewers have selective memories when it comes to every time Brian pulled Marc aside and told him he was a decent guy and it was Helen he had the issue with, Brian from there began instigating the arguments ie; when Jade was evicted, as a woman pointed out on bots Brian began his tirade of abuse against Helen, Helen retaliated to which viewers decided Helen and Marc had targeted Brian, which was very telling of how everything is skewed to portray Marc as the Big bad panto villian at any given opportunity.”
“Seemingly alot of half truths being spoken in order to make a point one way or another, seemingly no one seems to objectively judge a situation without bias, some may say this is hard to do but it really isn't..
I may have disliked Helen last year, this year i liked her but what she said to Brian was indefensible, there is no need for bias.. So those who dislike Marc have no need to pin every little thing on him just for the sake of it..
Case in point, that day Victor came in and told Marc he was essentially getting too big for his boots after knowing how popular he was, so when the nominations came up Marc made a point of saying you guys decide and we'll go by majority, Brian chose Sam, Sam being one of Marcs friends he wasnt going to pick her or. Jade so th decision was made without his input..
If anything considering how much Brian cares for Jade he did a despicable job of defending Jade against Christian and Danny when he had no issue sticking up for Chloe.. Marc on the other hand made it crystal clear he wasn't taking sides, so i fail to see how Marc is in the wrong despite some members on here seemingly blaming him for Jades departure..
On topic though, Marc didn't bully Brian it seems viewers have selective memories when it comes to every time Brian pulled Marc aside and told him he was a decent guy and it was Helen he had the issue with, Brian from there began instigating the arguments ie; when Jade was evicted, as a woman pointed out on bots Brian began his tirade of abuse against Helen, Helen retaliated to which viewers decided Helen and Marc had targeted Brian, which was very telling of how everything is skewed to portray Marc as the Big bad panto villian at any given opportunity.”
Excellent post. But one which I fear will fall on deaf ears. Objectivity and basic comprehension skills seem sorely lacking in some.
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“I saw Helen and Marc goad, antagonise and BULLY Brian, is that good enough for you?”
“I saw Helen and Marc goad, antagonise and BULLY Brian, is that good enough for you?”
If only it was true, maybe you're just choosing to see what you want as every single time Marc and Helen were involved in arguments regarding Brian it was him who caused the situation to become volatile.. Brian picked a fight then complained he was being picked on, this isn't bullying it's a disagreement only Brian couldn't handle the reaction.. The same people claiming this as bullying are the same ones ignorant to how badly Simon was treated and called it fair game, as he deserved it... Because he was a little annoying? Well Brian in stark constrast had most of the house under the illusion he was the innocent victim therefore allowing Brian to say and do anything he wanted but any situations involving Helen or Marc were instantly seen as 'tag teaming'..
To be clear, if i pick a fight and criticise you and another member and you both decide to reply back to me is that you guys bullying me? Or did i choose to instigate the argument therefore giving you right of reply?
While as with Simon, if i attacked you because you were a little obnoxious and 9 other members followed suit, which in turn caused you to become more of a recluse and lose your voice on here that would be bullying even if no one spoke up for you.. That's the distinction that needs to be made it's gone on long enough Brian was not bullied, he picked a fight constantly and lost, he didn't for instance ask a simple question of a housemate and in return recieve abuse by housemates standing over Brian ready to slap him and aggressively throwing food at him.. Wonder what the forum would think if Brian was on the recieving end of what Marc recieved last night.
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“I saw Helen and Marc goad, antagonise and BULLY Brian, is that good enough for you?”
“I saw Helen and Marc goad, antagonise and BULLY Brian, is that good enough for you?”
What did you actually see?
In regards to Marc I mean.
was any example other than splashing water, which Marc admits to, ever given as examples of Marc "bullying" Brian?
Originally Posted by Vicky8675309:
“was any example other than splashing water, which Marc admits to, ever given as examples of Marc "bullying" Brian?”
“was any example other than splashing water, which Marc admits to, ever given as examples of Marc "bullying" Brian?”
Of course not.
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