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Old 13-01-2016, 20:06
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No PAYG so you have to take out a contract? Yeah, we'd need someone with a contract then
It would need to be someone on a "Takeaway" contract (prices start at £25.50 pm).
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Old 13-01-2016, 20:16
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I think P3 research had an article that said the UK was behind in rural coverage even voice.
Germany seems to have better voice but roughly the same 3G, the 4G rollout being ahead of ours.

I've just noticed actually on Vodafone DE's website it tells you the average speed you can expect in a location on the simple version of their coverage map. It seems to work it out from the average speed in a location, very interesting.
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Old 13-01-2016, 20:21
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How much better would 700MHz be at penetrating walls when compared to 800MHz?

Is there a consistent numerical relationship between frequency and penetrative abilities? Obviously lower frequency = higher penetration but what sort of relationship is it?
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Old 13-01-2016, 21:37
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Germany seems to have better voice but roughly the same 3G, the 4G rollout being ahead of ours.

I've just noticed actually on Vodafone DE's website it tells you the average speed you can expect in a location on the simple version of their coverage map. It seems to work it out from the average speed in a location, very interesting.
I wonder if our networks could ever consider showing estimates based on the huge amount of RootMetrics data they have, or in the case of Three the Ookla data it gets from every speed test we do?
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Old 13-01-2016, 21:48
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How much better would 700MHz be at penetrating walls when compared to 800MHz?

Is there a consistent numerical relationship between frequency and penetrative abilities? Obviously lower frequency = higher penetration but what sort of relationship is it?
I think there is little difference. The wish for 700 is to harmonise with North America with a single frequency for LTE. it was easier in the 2G days, only 4 bands for global roaming :-/
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Old 13-01-2016, 21:54
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I wonder if our networks could ever consider showing estimates based on the huge amount of RootMetrics data they have, or in the case of Three the Ookla data it gets from every speed test we do?
T-Mobile USA does that already on their coverage map - https://imgur.com/PJG57ca they use the Ookla data I think as they zero rate speed tests.

I do wonder how much difference it would make sales wise, especially if it doesn't give a good result for your area. Would be nice to explore the country and see though.
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:10
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In Sweden now and using an app called nPerf which sort of proves that Three blocks streaming.

https://youtu.be/C2OtkoAGVrU

I've done many tests but only uploaded one, and none of them work - not even a 240p clip.

No issue with my Vodafone SIM.

But I do recommend everyone that goes abroad using Feel at Home installs nPerf and try for themselves as I'd love to see evidence of it working for someone!
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Old 11-03-2016, 12:25
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In Sweden now and using an app called nPerf which sort of proves that Three blocks streaming.

https://youtu.be/C2OtkoAGVrU

I've done many tests but only uploaded one, and none of them work - not even a 240p clip.

No issue with my Vodafone SIM.

But I do recommend everyone that goes abroad using Feel at Home installs nPerf and try for themselves as I'd love to see evidence of it working for someone!
Let's see if the respond https://twitter.com/AnthonyUsher/sta...67094140428288
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Old 11-03-2016, 13:34
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They have a standard response. We all know what it will be. Even if I did 1000 tests all over the world, they'd still blame local conditions.

Even if I do a test on a local SIM, other networks, with VPNs, they'll still argue it could have been a bad day etc.

All they need to do is say there's no hard block, and nobody can really prove otherwise.

But if everyone starts using this app when they roam, it will be harder to keep this lie going.

In any case, even if there was a 0.1% chance of it working, would that be acceptable?
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Old 11-03-2016, 13:40
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They have a standard response. We all know what it will be. Even if I did 1000 tests all over the world, they'd still blame local conditions.

Even if I do a test on a local SIM, other networks, with VPNs, they'll still argue it could have been a bad day etc.

All they need to do is say there's no hard block, and nobody can really prove otherwise.

But if everyone starts using this app when they roam, it will be harder to keep this lie going.

In any case, even if there was a 0.1% chance of it working, would that be acceptable?
Jon, how is the VPN holding up? still unblocked? Not sure they can block this particular one :P
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Old 11-03-2016, 15:01
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Jon, how is the VPN holding up? still unblocked? Not sure they can block this particular one :P
Still works, although the servers I've used (UK and Sweden) does slow everything quite a bit. Nearer 2Mb than 20. So swings and roundabouts.

My Vodafone SIM meanwhile gives me 30-70Mb and no issues.
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:13
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With roaming prices reducing, I cannot see myself using Three's £5 per day deal again. I've also got myself the Vodafone 20GB deal for my work phone. Their roaming is perfect for my needs and worth paying (slightly) more for.
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Old 17-03-2016, 00:17
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My latest trip abroad and how things worked on EE, Vodafone and Three.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IwmbzSvd2s
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Old 17-03-2016, 06:41
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My latest trip abroad and how things worked on EE, Vodafone and Three.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IwmbzSvd2s
Excellent video Jon! Looks like Vodafone come up trumps when travelling in the EU, not throttling or traffic shaping.
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Old 17-03-2016, 09:01
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Excellent video Jon! Looks like Vodafone come up trumps when travelling in the EU, not throttling or traffic shaping.
I think EE would be fine too, but given it has the ability to slow speeds on the daily add-on plan, it may still not be properly comparable if you only get 100MB at full speed!

Next time I'd like to have more SIMs (O2, iD etc).
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Old 17-03-2016, 13:22
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I think EE would be fine too, but given it has the ability to slow speeds on the daily add-on plan, it may still not be properly comparable if you only get 100MB at full speed!

Next time I'd like to have more SIMs (O2, iD etc).
Hmm I wonder what speeds the weekly 500MB add-on would give with EE 4G Abroad :/
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Old 17-03-2016, 13:41
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If you buy a fixed amount of data on EE, I'd expect it to work totally unhindered. On Three with a MBB SIM, if you bought nnMB of data, I'm still inclined to believe it may be managed.

With the daily option on EE, you are speed limited after 100MB. EE does at least make this clear though.

The problem is that it's expensive to buy data for use abroad, but soon it will be down to around 4/5p a MB so it may not be such an issue anyway for many people - assuming you turn off background data and don't want to stream anything.
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:31
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Do the new EU laws on net neutrality mean Three shouldn't be throttling non social media sites like they admit to do?
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Old 05-05-2016, 13:19
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That is actually a good point. I'm interested in folks views on this as well.

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-...net-neutrality

Any one wanting to take the legal route with Three?
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Old 05-05-2016, 16:50
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I've asked Three but so far not had a response...!
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Old 05-05-2016, 23:28
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I'm currently in the USA roaming on T-Mobile. The data speeds are so bad on my iPhone it barely loads. Loading Google maps is a nightmare and slow... So AT&T GoPhone SIM it is.
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Old 05-05-2016, 23:31
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Can you download nPerf and run it please? I'd like to see the streaming score/performance. As I'm sure would others.
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Old 05-05-2016, 23:36
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I've asked Three but so far not had a response...!
Me too! https://twitter.com/MatthiasSchilf/s...52253107687425
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Old 06-05-2016, 09:33
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I've asked Three but so far not had a response...!
See page 12 of this online newspaper from Mobile News:

http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk//launch.aspx?eid=3c4b5a7d-79ee-4c77-bb0c-94d68cbcb85d

Three is looking to launch a premium addition to Feel at Home that will allow customers to access faster speeds.

More importantly it quotes: "Topley confirmed that Three does throttle speeds adding "we position this proposition as a holiday product..."
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Old 06-05-2016, 10:42
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They don't see a lot of people streaming abroad because they can't!!!!

Good to see that all my moaning has been vindicated. I wonder if Three will talk to me again anytime soon considering everything I accused them of doing (despite repeated denials, which still exist online to customers who complain) was true.

I am somewhat surprised they consider everyone roaming to be on holiday, and presumably didn't mention that when you pay £5 a day elsewhere in Europe you're still throttled.

But it's a start.

Clearly by next June, the neutrality rules will effectively force Three to stop throttling and blocking services.. but even if it didn't, the competition will all be allowing full access - so people going abroad aren't going to accept 3G only roaming with speeds throttled to a fraction of a megabit.
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