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Old 05-07-2015, 15:11
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I don't get why people are so shocked he's now going after Lockie and screwing over Porsche. He did the same to Sarah with Craig, he wasn't bothered about how much everything would hurt her just as long he got what he wanted.
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Old 05-07-2015, 15:24
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Birkwood basically treats JP as he does Tegan Lomax: when they sleep with or lust after married men, it doesn't count as cheating! They're The Underdog (TM) cos they're unfortunate and downtrodden, so they deserve the guy even when he's already someone else's!
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Old 05-07-2015, 15:31
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I just hate that smug look he has on is face most of the time.

Poor character, who only came back because his BFF Berkwood returned.

Ste is so much better away from JP, JP was starting to be a whiny little bitch like Doug was.
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Old 05-07-2015, 15:48
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I don't get why people are so shocked he's now going after Lockie and screwing over Porsche. He did the same to Sarah with Craig, he wasn't bothered about how much everything would hurt her just as long he got what he wanted.
Can you be a 'home wrecker' when the two people involved are still at school? Craig and Sarah weren't living together, they were still at school (6th form) so they didn't have a home to wreck! lol

And that was Craig's fault, for not having the balls to be honest about who he wanted. He used Sarah to hide the truth about who he really was (as they say in soaps!)

I always think it's the one who is part of a couple who is mostly to blame, cos they're the one's willingly cheating on their other half, they're the one with the commitments, the responsibilities, etc. So they're the one doing the home wrecking.
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Old 05-07-2015, 15:53
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I just hate that smug look he has on is face most of the time.

Poor character, who only came back because his BFF Berkwood returned.

Ste is so much better away from JP, JP was starting to be a whiny little bitch like Doug was.
Yes, that's certainly true. If James was able to get regular work outside HO, of course he'd never have gone back, seeing as when he left he said he was never going to do soap ever again (need for work took him to Emmerdale a year later, of course!) but he rarely worked, and as soon as I heard his mate Berkwood was going back, I had a feeling of dread that James would be given a job.
And of course he was. No producer before Berkwood wanted JP back, so James got lucky. His mate did him a favour. I sometimes wonder if Berkwood ever really actually wanted JP to return, and if James hadn't been his personal mate, whether he'd have written him back in.

i say feeling of dread cos of course, McDean was then ruined forever, which upset some of us!
It was so ironic that we even got a couple of 'updates' to let us know they were still together! They left together in 2008, the mentions were in 2010 and 2011.
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Old 05-07-2015, 15:56
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I don't get why people are so shocked he's now going after Lockie and screwing over Porsche. He did the same to Sarah with Craig, he wasn't bothered about how much everything would hurt her just as long he got what he wanted.
He did the same with Danny too - split up that family! Then went after Danny's son Ste and had already slept with two of Ste's ex's - Beendan and Doug!!

Also, he had used Spike and Hanna in the past as well as the priest he got with who ended up dead due to his connection with Nial!

And people actually like this man! He's a vile character and I wish he never returned!
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Old 05-07-2015, 16:08
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He did the same with Danny too - split up that family! Then went after Danny's son Ste and had already slept with two of Ste's ex's - Beendan and Doug!!

Also, he had used Spike and Hanna in the past as well as the priest he got with who ended up dead due to his connection with Nial!

And people actually like this man! He's a vile character and I wish he never returned!
He didn't use Spike. Spike was his first boyfriend. When Craig told him he was going to split up with Sarah (which he didn't) JP finished with Spike.
You can't really judge too much someone who was still at school, and newly gay, who was in love with his 'straight' best friend.

But the 'grown up' JP who returned is another matter.

As he had sex with Brendon 10 seconds after meeting him at a bus station on the day he returned, I doubt he even knew who Brendan was - as far as being connected to anyone in the village was concerned.

Having said that, the fact he DID have sex with a complete stranger 10 seconds after meeting him, when he returned to HO after 4 years away, was probably a sign as to how he was going to be written from then on.

They've certainly been consistent with him! I remember saying once if Craig ever popped back for a visit (not that he ever would) he wouldn't recognise this man calling himself JP cos he's a completely different person to the one he lived with for 4 years.

JP wasn't perfect when he was 17-19 (before he originally left) but he was a sweetie compared to what they turned him into, by the sound of it!
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Old 05-07-2015, 16:31
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He is one of the most boring characters on the show.
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Old 05-07-2015, 18:04
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Old 05-07-2015, 18:37
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He did the same with Danny too - split up that family! Then went after Danny's son Ste and had already slept with two of Ste's ex's - Beendan and Doug!!

Also, he had used Spike and Hanna in the past as well as the priest he got with who ended up dead due to his connection with Nial!

And people actually like this man! He's a vile character and I wish he never returned!
He didn't. In any case Danny was the one who broke his vows.
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Old 05-07-2015, 18:45
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The reason John Paul is equally as bad as Lockie here is because he is Porshe's cousin. John Paul had nothing to do with Sarah. The very phrase "Homewrecker" is so ridiculous. Who really wrecked the "home"? Craig cheated on Sarah and Danny cheated on Sam. Why is JP painted as the villain?

I don't even really watch the show, but you don't need to to see that.
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Old 05-07-2015, 19:26
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The reason John Paul is equally as bad as Lockie here is because he is Porshe's cousin. John Paul had nothing to do with Sarah. The very phrase "Homewrecker" is so ridiculous. Who really wrecked the "home"? Craig cheated on Sarah and Danny cheated on Sam. Why is JP painted as the villain?

I don't even really watch the show, but you don't need to to see that.
Exactly.

I don't watch HO at all, but as you say, you don't need to watch!

It's the person in the relationship who cheats on his other half with a 'free agent' who is the wrecker. If they don't choose to cheat nothing gets wrecked.
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Old 05-07-2015, 19:36
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I hate all the cheating on Hollyoaks anyway, but I hate what they've done to JP. Hollyoaks never do character development - as many people have said on this forum, the writers make the characters fit the storyline, not the other way around. It's infuriating.
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Old 05-07-2015, 19:50
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He's a watered down version of Mercedes. Because he's discreet and sweet natured, people don't consider him as immoral as she is. Or is it the age old issue of one rule for women and another for men??!!
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Old 05-07-2015, 19:58
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He's a watered down version of Mercedes. Because he's discreet and sweet natured, people don't consider him as immoral as she is. Or is it the age old issue of one rule for women and another for men??!!
I don't think JP is anywhere near how Mercedes is when it comes to sex and relationships. Mercedes is in her own league.
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Old 05-07-2015, 20:02
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He's a watered down version of Mercedes. Because he's discreet and sweet natured, people don't consider him as immoral as she is. Or is it the age old issue of one rule for women and another for men??!!
He might be like that now, but he certainly wasn't in his first stint in HO.

Mercy's always been the same, though, from day one.

Must get a bit boring recycling the same storyline all the time!
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Old 05-07-2015, 20:07
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It's the person in the relationship who cheats on his other half with a 'free agent' who is the wrecker. If they don't choose to cheat nothing gets wrecked.
Good point. If Craig had said no JP couldn't make him have an affair, they're both to blame. Being the other man doesn't make him blameless obviously but he wasn't the one cheating on someone.

Someone mentioned JP instantly jumping into bed with Brendan, which he did, but Brendan did that too...

It's not a great aspect of JP's character that he keeps being the other man of course, it is pretty offputting, but it's not fair to paint him as the homewrecker and the other party as blameless. It's also worse this time as he's doing it to his own cousin, who he's apparently disbelieved about her sexual abuse despite him also being a victim of it... Even if he doesn't believe her, for whatever bizarre reason, he still must be aware there's been a lot of drama and upset in her life lately and she's going through a tough time, but he's still decided to shag her husband anyway. Great. Despite his history of being cheated with, I do find that pretty out of character. I've always thought he was largely a moral character and not a callous git. The recent scenes of him casually trying to be alone with Lockie etc with no thought to what that meant, no remorse, no nothing, have really pissed me off.
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Old 05-07-2015, 20:11
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Can you be a 'home wrecker' when the two people involved are still at school? Craig and Sarah weren't living together, they were still at school (6th form) so they didn't have a home to wreck! lol

And that was Craig's fault, for not having the balls to be honest about who he wanted. He used Sarah to hide the truth about who he really was (as they say in soaps!)

I always think it's the one who is part of a couple who is mostly to blame, cos they're the one's willingly cheating on their other half, they're the one with the commitments, the responsibilities, etc. So they're the one doing the home wrecking.
Yeah, that's an aspect of all these soaps that's highly unrealistic. They treat cheating and breakups in school as almost the same as adultery in a long term marriage. In school its very common that relationships are short lived and people move from one relationship to another quickly. At least it was when I was in school. I don't know what the normal age of marriage is but it isn't 17 or 18 any more. Not that cheating and break ups don't hurt when you are in school, but they're less serious if you aren't planning for the person to be your long term partner.
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Old 05-07-2015, 20:23
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It's the person in the relationship who cheats on his other half with a 'free agent' who is the wrecker. If they don't choose to cheat nothing gets wrecked.
If a "free agent" chooses to have an affair with someone who is in a relationship, then they share just as much of the "homewrecking" blame.

People in relationships wouldn't be able to have affairs if "free agents" just said no
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Old 05-07-2015, 23:28
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Good point. If Craig had said no JP couldn't make him have an affair, they're both to blame. Being the other man doesn't make him blameless obviously but he wasn't the one cheating on someone.

Someone mentioned JP instantly jumping into bed with Brendan, which he did, but Brendan did that too...


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That was me.

When JP first returned he met Brendan at the bus station. He had no idea who he was but he jumped into bed with him after 10 seconds of knowing him, (not literally 10 seconds of course, but probably about 10 minutes!) That was probably an indication of what the 'new' JP was going to be like, morally!

I don't watch HO but presumably at the time Brendan was with Ste in a relationship? Didn't stop him jumping into bed with a stranger.

Very HO in a way, I suppose!
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Old 05-07-2015, 23:31
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If a "free agent" chooses to have an affair with someone who is in a relationship, then they share just as much of the "homewrecking" blame.

People in relationships wouldn't be able to have affairs if "free agents" just said no
True, very true, but it's still the one doing the cheating who has the home to lose, as it were,. (as in wreck) rather than the 'free agent' who plays a part in it but doesn't lose whatever the person doing the cheating is going to lose.
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Old 06-07-2015, 00:06
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He's certainly a hypocrite given the importance that the McQueens place on faaaaaaamily.

Screwing over some woman you don't know (like Sam when he first met Danny) is completely different to screwing over your own cousin who you live with!!
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Old 06-07-2015, 02:37
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He's been an incredibly selfish character from the minute he was introduced and that wont change. He's a McQueen. Jacqui was the only one who wasn't completely selfish and occasionally Michaela in her later days. Carmel may have had better morals but she was still completely selfish 90% of the time.

I just worry that Porsche finding out is going to take her to Mitzeee territory. She was introduced as this bubbly firecracker and in six months has become a tragic victim.
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Old 06-07-2015, 08:07
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He's a watered down version of Mercedes. Because he's discreet and sweet natured, people don't consider him as immoral as she is. Or is it the age old issue of one rule for women and another for men??!!
Yep. The various sisters & cousins have always been more in your face than JP so he tends to get let off the hook.
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Old 06-07-2015, 09:50
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That was me.

When JP first returned he met Brendan at the bus station. He had no idea who he was but he jumped into bed with him after 10 seconds of knowing him, (not literally 10 seconds of course, but probably about 10 minutes!) That was probably an indication of what the 'new' JP was going to be like, morally!

I don't watch HO but presumably at the time Brendan was with Ste in a relationship? Didn't stop him jumping into bed with a stranger.

Very HO in a way, I suppose!
BIB - No, Ste was married to (or, rather, had entered into a civil partnership with) Doug. Brendan was heartbroken but 'made a deal with God' that he would leave Ste alone if God would spare Ste's life (following the whole wedding/bus crash business). He had gone off to Ireland, believing he would never see Ste again. Brendan did a lot of bad things, but he never cheated on Ste.
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