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Old 07-07-2015, 02:29
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I was never a fan of Resting Bitch Face aka Debbie Dingle, however her current storyline with Ross has gotten rid of whatever ounce of human decency she had left in her. Debbie feels overwhelmed because she has 3 kids that she pawns off on whoever and a hot fiance that has no problem playing Mr Mom while she goes off and has secrect smash sessions with his brother.

I know Ross and Debbie are supposed to have this super hot chemistry that no one seems to see but I have ZERO sympathy for Debbie in this situation, and for a character that was already largely unlikable to paint her in this light is only going to make people hate her even more.
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Old 07-07-2015, 02:45
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I agree with every word. And for me, worst of all, the storyline is just dull. I couldn't care less about anyone involved.
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Old 07-07-2015, 06:15
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Debbie was extremely unlikeable long before KO got hold of her.
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Old 07-07-2015, 07:32
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I sympathize slightly that her mum has dumped a newborn on her - but on top of having two kids that she hardly seems to do anything with/take care of, a newborn to visit in hospital AND a "garage to run"( oh and a house to maintain - and her hair, nails and make up to perfect every day) - she still seems to make time to have a full blown affair behind Pete's back.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:10
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Debbie was extremely unlikeable long before KO got hold of her.
I haven't liked her since Jasmine. I really wish she'd make some reference to her coming out of prison this year. So unrealistic that she wouldn't.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:12
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I agree. She must be for me soap's most unlikeable character.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:24
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Debbie is just boring. She is a pretty enough girl and has her youth but is expressonless and wooden. I wonder what she is like in the sack (or garage floor) probably just lies there staring at the ceiling with that gormless stare she does.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:28
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I agree with every word. And for me, worst of all, the storyline is just dull. I couldn't care less about anyone involved.
Ditto that. I honestly don't give a damn what happens and can't wait for it to be over. I'm missing episodes and not even bothering to catch up, which isn't like me.

It's a shame for me because I usually love Ross as a character, but don't care about him at the moment, not for lack of effort on Michael Parr's part, but it doesn't work.

As for Debbie, she has been working much better recently - she seemed to sort her life out after Cameron, and with Pete she was a lot more likable, even doling out good advice to her terrible Mum. But now she just seems like a tedious brat again, so it's a shame the good work's been undone.
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Old 07-07-2015, 09:09
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It is a bit of a step backwards for the character. After spending most of 2014 trying to make her likeable again, she's now turned into a massive hypocrite. The storyline itself is also incredibly tedious and a waste of airtime for Michael Parr who's character was heading in an interesting direction following Donna's death. I just hope that when it all comes out, Pete holds Debbie hostage in a barn at gunpoint the same way she did with Chas.
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Old 07-07-2015, 13:29
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It is a bit of a step backwards for the character. After spending most of 2014 trying to make her likeable again, she's now turned into a massive hypocrite. The storyline itself is also incredibly tedious and a waste of airtime for Michael Parr who's character was heading in an interesting direction following Donna's death. I just hope that when it all comes out, Pete holds Debbie hostage in a barn at gunpoint the same way she did with Chas.
I completely agree, Debbie was actually headed down a good path helping Andy grieve over Katie, it made her seem more human and she actually has chemistry with him and the story with Ross has destroyed all the progress she made.
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Old 07-07-2015, 13:29
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As for Debbie, she has been working much better recently - she seemed to sort her life out after Cameron, and with Pete she was a lot more likable, even doling out good advice to her terrible Mum. But now she just seems like a tedious brat again, so it's a shame the good work's been undone.
Definitely, Debbie was much improved over the course of last year and the writer's were doing an excellent job of fixing what was broken during her whole gangster phase.
All that great work is being undone with this awful, tedious, overdone storyline. It's doing none of the characters any favours to be honest. Pete has even received a new personality making him even more of a drip than usual.

These are reasons that I do believe social media is having an effect on soaps, and not in a good way.
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Old 07-07-2015, 15:28
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She's been pretty horrible from day one and given an undue degree of prominence for ages.
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Old 07-07-2015, 15:38
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I was never a fan of Resting Bitch Face aka Debbie Dingle, however her current storyline with Ross has gotten rid of whatever ounce of human decency she had left in her. Debbie feels overwhelmed because she has 3 kids that she pawns off on whoever and a hot fiance that has no problem playing Mr Mom while she goes off and has secrect smash sessions with his brother.

I know Ross and Debbie are supposed to have this super hot chemistry that no one seems to see but I have ZERO sympathy for Debbie in this situation, and for a character that was already largely unlikable to paint her in this light is only going to make people hate her even more.
I'm glad you mentioned that because I don't believe that they have any (or very little) chemistry. I just don't get it. I know they show us them seemingly being unable to keep their hands of each other, that they just have to look at each other and they want to rip each others clothes off but I am definitely not feeling it. It's like someone behind the scenes saw two quite good looking actors and thought 'we HAVE to put those two together' regardless of whether it would actually work on screen! Compare their damp squib scenes to the heat that came off the screen when Moira was shagging Cain behind John's back. One might not have approved of what they were doing but most people saw that there was a real and tangible physical reaction to each other which later grew into love. I just don't get that with Debbie and Ross.

Debbie was extremely unlikeable long before KO got hold of her.
I have to agree with this. As bad as Debbie is now she was worse a few years ago during her 'gangster' phase.

I sympathize slightly that her mum has dumped a newborn on her - but on top of having two kids that she hardly seems to do anything with/take care of, a newborn to visit in hospital AND a "garage to run"( oh and a house to maintain - and her hair, nails and make up to perfect every day) - she still seems to make time to have a full blown affair behind Pete's back.
Yes, fiddling with her hair and applying that spidery mascara must take up most of the day and the affair takes up rest! After all she has Pete to run the house now and look after the kids (when Andy hasn't got them) and she has employees to 'run' the garage and only seems to turn up there when she's horny!

But yes, it really wasn't fair on Charity to dump her latest baby on her. Poor Debs, less time to play with her pretty hair!

It is a bit of a step backwards for the character. After spending most of 2014 trying to make her likeable again, she's now turned into a massive hypocrite. The storyline itself is also incredibly tedious and a waste of airtime for Michael Parr who's character was heading in an interesting direction following Donna's death. I just hope that when it all comes out, Pete holds Debbie hostage in a barn at gunpoint the same way she did with Chas.
Now there's a good idea. Debbie could hardly complain could she?

I completely agree, Debbie was actually headed down a good path helping Andy grieve over Katie, it made her seem more human and she actually has chemistry with him and the story with Ross has destroyed all the progress she made.
Spot on. After not liking Debbie for a couple of years I thought this producer had improved her no end. She was almost normal again but now they've got her cheating on a good man with his brother FGS!!! She wants a normal life with a good guy but can't resist the temptation of a 'bad boy' which would be bad enough if the other man was a faceless stranger but HIS BROTHER? Ugh, that's vile and no matter how many guilty faces she pulls it doesn't excuse it one iota.

Definitely, Debbie was much improved over the course of last year and the writer's were doing an excellent job of fixing what was broken during her whole gangster phase.
All that great work is being undone with this awful, tedious, overdone storyline. It's doing none of the characters any favours to be honest. Pete has even received a new personality making him even more of a drip than usual.

These are reasons that I do believe social media is having an effect on soaps, and not in a good way.
Sorry I don't bother with social media, are Debbie and Ross popular on those sites?!?!
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Old 07-07-2015, 15:49
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I know it's a soap and by it's very nature characters forget who they're suppose to be in love with all the time but I'm surprised she has embark of an affair so quickly, she remembers Cameron, right? How she felt finding out about him and Chas and then when she was pushed out the family when it was discovered she went back to him? In cases like this the Charity in her just shines through.

I don't even like Pete that much but I do feel sorry for him because he is a nice guy and clearly worships the ground she walks on which makes it hard for me to get on Debbie & Ross's side and to root for the pair or want Pete to F off so I can see their scenes together, which would be easier if they had any chemistry. Subnote: completely agree Lotty about the whole Cain & Moira comparison. This affair is nothing.
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Old 07-07-2015, 15:51
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Well said, OP!

I have never liked Debbie, though. And I couldn't agree more with previous posts regarding the non-existent chemistry between her and the fabulous Ross (who is sadly being dragged down by Debbie and the Charity nonsense).

A Ross/Chrissie affair would have been watchable (and believable).
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Old 07-07-2015, 16:17
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I was never a fan of Resting Bitch Face aka Debbie Dingle, however her current storyline with Ross has gotten rid of whatever ounce of human decency she had left in her. Debbie feels overwhelmed because she has 3 kids that she pawns off on whoever and a hot fiance that has no problem playing Mr Mom while she goes off and has secrect smash sessions with his brother.

I know Ross and Debbie are supposed to have this super hot chemistry that no one seems to see but I have ZERO sympathy for Debbie in this situation, and for a character that was already largely unlikable to paint her in this light is only going to make people hate her even more.
She never even had half an ounce.

How come we never see her with Robert - just before he left last time they were going to run away together, taking Sarah to spite Andy, .
Now there's a story I wouldn't mind KO revisiting and making it happen this time.
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Old 07-07-2015, 16:39
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Well said, OP!

I have never liked Debbie, though. And I couldn't agree more with previous posts regarding the non-existent chemistry between her and the fabulous Ross (who is sadly being dragged down by Debbie and the Charity nonsense).

A Ross/Chrissie affair would have been watchable (and believable).
Yes, Ross/Chrissie could have been hot, and the reason Ross/Debbie doesn't work is the lack of Chemistry. I have seen plenty of affairs on soaps where the girl chose the bad guy over the good guy but those relationships always had chemistry off the charts, Ross/Debbie have as much spark as a firework soaked with water.
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Old 07-07-2015, 17:59
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Sorry I don't bother with social media, are Debbie and Ross popular on those sites?!?!
Oh yes! It's quite disturbing actually the amount of followers they do have. Same with Aaron and Robert. It's a shame because I do believe its affecting the storytelling.
They tried Debbie with Ross before and it didn't work and paired him with Donna instead, why now are we trying again?
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Old 07-07-2015, 18:03
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Well said, OP!

I have never liked Debbie, though. And I couldn't agree more with previous posts regarding the non-existent chemistry between her and the fabulous Ross (who is sadly being dragged down by Debbie and the Charity nonsense).

A Ross/Chrissie affair would have been watchable (and believable).
And hot as hell. But she's tasted Cain now. No going back.

Oh yes! It's quite disturbing actually the amount of followers they do have. Same with Aaron and Robert. It's a shame because I do believe its affecting the storytelling.
They tried Debbie with Ross before and it didn't work and paired him with Donna instead, why now are we trying again?
I cheered SO loudly when Ross humiliated and dumped Debbie that time. What a damn shame to go back on it.
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Old 07-07-2015, 18:33
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I am enjoying Debbie and Ross although I don't like Debbie at all. However Chrissie/Ross sounds much better.
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Old 07-07-2015, 19:35
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Not so much Debbie I take issue with - It's the destruction of the Barton family I blame Oates for besides that ED is in a respectable condition
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Old 07-07-2015, 19:56
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I like Debbie, but I'm really struggling to keep that thought with this. Debbie knows what it's like to be cheated on, and not just with random strangers but by those closest to her. Jasmine was at it with Debbie's own dad, and Cameron was knobbing her auntie, she is more than fully aware of what it feels like, so HOW can she willingly do the exact same thing to Pete? . She's been craving for somebody normal, someone who won't do the dirty on her, hold people hostage and try to kill her, yet as soon as she got it, she's getting off with his brother, the exact sort of guy she was sick of ending up with?

I thought after the mess The Hat made with 'gangster Debbie', KO had massively improved the character, and turned her around, but now she's lost the one thing that was Debbie's real plus point ( and god knows she needs them) - her loyalty. Up to this story, Debbie had never cheated, a rarity amongst soap characters, yes she's done bad things but cheating wasn't one of them, so when she started shouting about Jas/Cain, Chas/Cameron, you could stand by her. Now, if she started wailing about being cheated on, it'd be flung straight back at her "but what about when YOU did it Debbie", same as Laurel gets it in the neck for being all holier than thou with others. So well done ED for turning her into 'hypocrite Debbie', really smart move.
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Old 08-07-2015, 14:25
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I like Debbie, but I'm really struggling to keep that thought with this. Debbie knows what it's like to be cheated on, and not just with random strangers but by those closest to her. Jasmine was at it with Debbie's own dad, and Cameron was knobbing her auntie, she is more than fully aware of what it feels like, so HOW can she willingly do the exact same thing to Pete? . She's been craving for somebody normal, someone who won't do the dirty on her, hold people hostage and try to kill her, yet as soon as she got it, she's getting off with his brother, the exact sort of guy she was sick of ending up with?

I thought after the mess The Hat made with 'gangster Debbie', KO had massively improved the character, and turned her around, but now she's lost the one thing that was Debbie's real plus point ( and god knows she needs them) - her loyalty. Up to this story, Debbie had never cheated, a rarity amongst soap characters, yes she's done bad things but cheating wasn't one of them, so when she started shouting about Jas/Cain, Chas/Cameron, you could stand by her. Now, if she started wailing about being cheated on, it'd be flung straight back at her "but what about when YOU did it Debbie", same as Laurel gets it in the neck for being all holier than thou with others. So well done ED for turning her into 'hypocrite Debbie', really smart move.
Especially as Debbie is well aware of the damage and hurt that can be caused by cheating with a close family member. You'd think she'd think twice

Can't blame her for wanting some sort of escape fron her current situation thougj. She's obviously having second thoughts about marrying Pete, she's got lots of responsibilities and she's now got Moses to care for on top of that.
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Old 08-07-2015, 14:40
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Especially as Debbie is well aware of the damage and hurt that can be caused by cheating with a close family member. You'd think she'd think twice

Can't blame her for wanting some sort of escape fron her current situation thougj. She's obviously having second thoughts about marrying Pete, she's got lots of responsibilities and she's now got Moses to care for on top of that.
I agree with you and CollieWobbles, I just don't think this is something that she would do. Especially after what happened with Cameron.

If she sees Ross as some sort of escape from her current situation then she clearly is not happy with the choices she has made. She should dump Pete, let Andy have custody of the kids and palm Moses off on the rest of the Dingles. I feel for her a little but the cheating on Pete means I lose all that sympathy.
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Old 08-07-2015, 15:48
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Oh yes! It's quite disturbing actually the amount of followers they do have. Same with Aaron and Robert. It's a shame because I do believe its affecting the storytelling.
They tried Debbie with Ross before and it didn't work and paired him with Donna instead, why now are we trying again?
Thanks for replying. Blimey, I had absolutely no idea! Why? Why are they so caught up in it? Like I said in my post they're both reasonably good looking people but other than that I not feeling any chemistry, magnetic attraction or anything. It doesn't feel real to me when they meet when they're alone and start snogging, there's no red hot passion because that's what it's supposed to be, red hot lust. Perhaps because the actors aren't letting go and getting stuck in?!

Aaron and Robert I can understand a bit more because those two were pretty lusty! But Debbie and Ross? Noooo.

I really hope that TPTB don't take much notice of social media who are only a percentage of the viewers and by no means the be all and end all. But I suppose that gets them noticed if people are tweeting, a cheap form of advertising!

I cheered SO loudly when Ross humiliated and dumped Debbie that time. What a damn shame to go back on it.
Agreed! You just know that Debbie thinks she's 'it' at times so it not 'arf put her in her place

I am enjoying Debbie and Ross although I don't like Debbie at all. However Chrissie/Ross sounds much better.
Oh yes, I imagine those two having red hot passion. Wasted opportunity.

I like Debbie, but I'm really struggling to keep that thought with this. Debbie knows what it's like to be cheated on, and not just with random strangers but by those closest to her. Jasmine was at it with Debbie's own dad, and Cameron was knobbing her auntie, she is more than fully aware of what it feels like, so HOW can she willingly do the exact same thing to Pete? . She's been craving for somebody normal, someone who won't do the dirty on her, hold people hostage and try to kill her, yet as soon as she got it, she's getting off with his brother, the exact sort of guy she was sick of ending up with?

I thought after the mess The Hat made with 'gangster Debbie', KO had massively improved the character, and turned her around, but now she's lost the one thing that was Debbie's real plus point ( and god knows she needs them) - her loyalty. Up to this story, Debbie had never cheated, a rarity amongst soap characters, yes she's done bad things but cheating wasn't one of them, so when she started shouting about Jas/Cain, Chas/Cameron, you could stand by her. Now, if she started wailing about being cheated on, it'd be flung straight back at her "but what about when YOU did it Debbie", same as Laurel gets it in the neck for being all holier than thou with others. So well done ED for turning her into 'hypocrite Debbie', really smart move.
Until I read this it hadn't occurred to me that Debbie hadn't cheated on any partners. I know she's been 'the other woman' with Cameron and unlike a lot of people I don't let other women off, they know that the man is attached and that they are hurting someone else so they aren't innocent (but obviously not as guilty as the bloke!) but to give Debbie her due when she found out he was married (when she was in Jersey?) she left straight away and came back to ED saying she wasn't a home wrecker. When Cameron arrived she wouldn't have anything to do with him for ages (in soap terms lol!) and it took him a while to talk her round and convince her that his marriage was dead. So YES Debbie has been quite moralistic up to now. Just in the same way that her and Andy for ages used to co-parent Sarah in an adult manner doing what was best for the child so Debbie definitely has these attributes going for her. So why have they trashed her like this? To one of the few people with morals on the show!
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