Nick's words to Jack when discussing his attempt to trade 4k prize money for personal gain, This before he throws Chloe under the bus for 5k of the prize money.
Note Jack ganged up on for his actions whilst Nick received the housemates {and fm's} warmth and understanding for his behaviour.

Shows how 2 faced they all are.
They have turned against Jack because they think he's not popular with the public anymore.

I think Nick was speaking the truth. He's been very clear that he bid for his place in the final because he really wanted to be in it and he felt it was worth that money to do so. He wouldn't have spent money on personal items because they wouldn't be worth it to him.

Nick has made it clear throughout he wanted to be on BB because he is a fan of the show. Had the situation been reversed with Nick the only one not immune or nominated, I think it highly likely Chloe Jack and Sam would have had little problem in bidding.

It was his statement I quoted, he clearly said to Jack "I wouldn't do it but I'm not going to criticise you for doing it" Then very shortly afterwards does exactly the same for an extra 1k.
Jack received criticism both here and and on the show for his actions, Nick received understanding because "it's his life's dream" he's a kid and will have lots of dreams and has barely begun his life, I'm pretty confident at some time during that life he will have a greater dream if not then he is destined to live a hollow life to apply his hollow principles to.
As for your reversed scenario it has no bearing whatsoever on Nick's lack of integrity.

Missing the point somewhat
Jack was offering part of the money for a football result and a carton of Um Bongo

Nick offered the money for a place in the final.
He has always wanted to be part of BB and , although I do not want him to win, think his decsion is fine.
I think the others putting " friendship above money" are not only lying to others but themselves
How many genuine friendships will come out of this has yet to be seen and the only ones who go on and on and on about the money are those who keep trying to convince us that is doesn't matter to them..as in Chloe
Nick has shown it doesn't matter..he just wants to stay in the show for as long as possible

Right from the start Nick told us that he has no friends in real life. Since he seemed to have a fairly friendly manner and a certain foppish charm, we were left to wonder what else it is about him that explains his lack of friends. Maybe we are beginning to find out.

What point am I missing? Feel free to educate me.
What I saw was Nick seizing the moral high ground in a public berating of Jack without committing to the arguement {a spineless act but in keeping with his personality} that I fully understand and accept, he then went on within a very short timespan to emulate the action that Jack was being ostracised for.
The only difference in their actions was the reward they sought to extract from BB and the reaction from housemates and forum members.

They wont say a word to Nick as they all think hes the winner and dont want to offend the public, simples.

If they think he is the winner why would they worry about offending the public, what would they have to lose if he is the 'winner'?

Joel received similar favour and justification from house and forum members for his selfishness also, it seems only certain housemates are permitted personal flaws and there doesn't appear to be a hard and fast list to consult in whose or what transgressions are permitted.

I fail to see where spending £4000 for the football score is the same as bidding for a place in the final....something he was invited to do by BB.

Oh absolutely.

It's for the above reason that I'm firmly in Jack's corner.

THIS! They would have ZERO problem doing it back to him, as then its them in danger, how dare anyone nominate them?!


I honestly didn't see that, I saw everyone saying good on jack (not a fan of his but Im glad he did that! I wish he had got the results!

I'm not questioning the action, I am questioning Nick's integrity.

Not that we can know what Nick meant when he said "I wouldn't do it", but I'm assuming he meant he wouldn't approach BB to give £4000 for three trivial items.

The whole point of BB is to get to the end by putting other people up for the public vote every week. Integrity doesn't come into it. BTW I have no problem with what Joel or Jack did either.

Who decides what is "trivial" and what isn't? He made no such qualification to his statement did he? That seems more like a personal justification for his insincerity/treachery on your part,
Jack is a footbal fan, more precisely a fan of a low league club, that result was far more important to him I'm sure than either you or I could imagine. Like I said though the reward itself is a straw man, he made a clear statement of integrity and almost immediately demonstrated he did not have the integrity to support the statement he made.
His comment was a tacit approval of the others criticism of Jack without actually getting involved directly with the harranging they were dishing out to him. {permission for them to continue but notice he would not be joining in himself} A very cowardly and divisive act.

I support Nick 100% on this issue. You cannot compare a once in a lifetime opportunity (being in the Big Brother Final) to a drink, suit, football results or pizza that can be obtained at any time without limit upon leaving the show.

it's all getting a bit too 'Lord of the Flies' for me in there. If this keeps up I can see them shirtless, ties around their heads chanting Kill The Beast as they batter Jack to death.

I never thought I'd say this, but I hope is is top three with Harry and Joel.

Exactly

They're the same in regards to the point the OP was making. That they're both for personal gain.
Nick has made it clear from the start that he wants to be in the final of BB. So what? Jack has made it clear from the start that he's a loyal supporter of Plymouth Argyle.

As it goes I support them both for making the decision.
The only relevant difference is that Nick said he wouldn't do it, whereas Jack made no such promise that I can recall.

The difference is that what Jack wanted could easily wait til he got out. Nick's offer was a one off and would not be able to be purchased at any other time....it was a now or never thing.

Nick has money on the outside - he traded money for the chance to be in the final, a lifelong dream of his. He meant that he wouldn't use the prize fund to get a cheap suit and some orange juice.

Jack squanders all his money at the bookies. He has probably placed his last wage packet on all the football fixtures while he's been in the house and wants to know what he's coming out to now the prize money is piss all.

Both somewhat selfish, but what Nick is saying isn't double standards. It's two seperate circumstances.

I don't see how that's relevant. Nick said he wouldn't do it. That's the point.
As far as I'm aware Jack made no such claim.

I don't think either of them are 'wrong' to take the opportunity, that's not what I'm saying. The point is about Nick claiming that he wouldn't do it yet Jack getting a hard time over it.

As far as I'm concerned the money is up for grabs as it's a game for the individual. I don't care if it's somebody's lifelong dream t get to the final. Why should I honour that? It might be Danny and Chloe's dream of grabbing it all the prize money for themselves, it doesn't make their desire any more worthy than somebody else's.