BIB There was absolutely no indication that Harry would be such hard work when she came in, so that is tosh. He just saw her as fun, like we did. He said to Jade that he was treating it like a holiday. i.e A bit of a fling. How could he have anticipated that she'd be isolating him from his friends, refusing to let him have a pee or a smoke and demanding he get up in the middle of the night because she can't sleep.

From what I saw, Harry did not have an argument with Nick, so him giving her the cold shoulder (by sleeping elsewhere) is odd now, considering their on/off relationship and how they have been thus far. Without more filler information, we can't really tell unless they show more on the HLs show.

I was laughing by the end but near the beginning , oh lord. She said she only kicks off because it makes good tv I thought HARRY!! you charlatan, but of course she was being sarcastic, thank god.


That was hillarious


I think that's a massive over-statement.

She's crap at articulating her thought's. Jack on the other hand is very articulate and she can't compete, she's rarely been able to adequately get her points across to the others and on this occasion she was a bit drunk and resorted to childish mimickery. That's all it is imo.

I loved her in the beginning because I thought she was her own person and made her own decisions.
What I thought was fortitude is just the antics of a spoilt child.

Harry making some great points there and articulating them well. I hope all this is on Hl's

Harry is not the same person she was when she went in there which begs the question, which one is the real Harry. I think people are being a bit hard on Nick to be honest. He has literally just turned 20 and this apparently fun loving, sexy woman arrives and shows an interest in him. He probably thought all his Cristmases had come at once and as he said to Jade, planned to treat it like a holiday fling. Then Harry changes from funny, sexy Harry and is demanding, petulant, jealous and extremely stroppy. He can't get away from her unless she or he is evicted so he tries to make the best of it. To berate him on here for not supporting her or criticising her to the others is very unfair imo. I think he is between a rock and an extremely hard place and has done his best to be there for her as best he can but she is sucking the life out of him. I know she's not that much older than him but I think she is probably a lot more worldly and the poor guy doesn't have a clue how to deal with her.

Harry's not the same because several HMs and outside interference have colluded to make her feel bad for her relationship with Nick.

I haven't noticed her supporting him much either. All I've heard is her complaining about how he treats her. They are both as bad as each other IMO - it's a relationship made in hell. They both seem to suffer from a martyr complex with a bit of victim thrown in for good measure.

He saw her as a controversial, parading around naked newbie who he could use for a story line as it was more probable then that she would be up and out the first time she was up, IMO. When she didn't go, first time, he has helped her look bad in many situations. I'm not saying she is not at fault for her own behaviour - yes, she is hard work at times . Nick, however, seems to enjoy (and encourage)those situations that look bad for her.

That may be true to a point but it doesn't explain her complete personality change. She's supposed to be a dominatrix and considers herself a strong woman so I don't understand why she would let a few comments turn her into some kind of crazy woman. I don't know about there being more than one Jade but there's certainly more than one Harry!

obviously because its wrecked her game plan and now Nick is distancing himself from her shes kicking off.

I agree with this. I must admit I am at a loss to understand Harry. Why is she so angry all the time? It's really at odds with the person she portrayed herself to be when she went into the house. She is in a constant bad mood for no apparent reason and seems to have become very depressed. From walking around showing off her assets she's now taken to wearing unattractive clothes and not putting on any make up. I think most of us thought she was going to be a bit of a flirty glamour girl when she arrived and someone who would be up for having fun. She's also not very good at articulating her feelings or making anyone understand why she is upset. The passive aggressive sulking is just bewildering.

I'm not attacking her by the way as I think that she's probably quite a nice person underneath but she seems to have a real problem. I don't actually think that Nick is the cause of this, it's more about her and finding the person she really is.

Jack's staring at the camera and strategically placing himself in full view of one , telling viewers that Harry kicks off every day ,, and that's because he's up for eviction and wants her to go instead of him, I see there's a lot of dissing Harry going on now , Nick the shrew joining in.

jacks not daft , he's goading harry telling. her she's acting like a six year year old, so she's just playing up to that to make fun of what he's said. .

Nothing wrong with her , and the op title is very unwarranted and unkind ----- he's calling a girl a bloody moron ,,,,,,,, no wonder he's never had a girlfriend . argumentative self-righteous twit.

I remember Nick asking Harry "not to hurt him" way before Harry "changed" Nick wasn't seeing it as a holiday fling then was he? You're right to say she's changed though but isn't that what happens when you are the centre of attention the way Harry has been. I believe Helen watched Nick asking Harry not to hurt him from the bunker feed, and imo that plea went along way into forming the impression in Helen's mind of Harry - Femme Fetale. Helen came bursting into the house with one mission on her mind ie to put Harry straight and make sure she didn't hurt Nick. Harry indeed changed at that point, previously she'd said her and Nick weren't in a romantic relationship because the BB house wasn't the right place for one, but after Helen's interjection she slowly opened up and it became romantic.

And imo Harry never got jealous, not once. That was BB's script but despite all the provocation from Nikki and task's pitting the two supposed rivals against one another, it didn't really happen. Instead what happened was Harry became angry at the provocation. She said to Nick you're being used and you can't see it. She thought Nikki was trying to get Harry to react negatively i guess.

I'v never seen Nick stand up for Harry. When Marc was fake evicted Nick said - i should stand up for you more. When Marc returned at one point he accused her of being a psycho. Nick asked - what we're you doing that looked psycho. This is not a genuine person, Nick is fake fake fake. Harry is to a fault genuine imo.

She's an awful human being

You obviously see it in a wholly different way from me. I'm not saying I'm right and I'm not saying you're right so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

No because she's insecure and feels denigrated by every one.

So what your saying from your point Harry's feelings for Nick are real and Nicks are not.

OOh, playing dirty

That's the thing about BB a million different perspectives on the same events.

I agree that Nick is not innocent and does not need protecting from a woman he has flirted with but that aside Harrys behaviour is still very strange.

I really don't think her problem is much to do with Nick, she just seems to carry around a lot of anger.

Only 9 more days to be concerned about her till she walks out the winner

Jack the bully.
Nick the silent assassin.
Harry the victim.
Danny the Saviour

All very predictable.

You've asked me that before

Most definitely. To me Nick is performing an authentic stormy love affair for the viewers. Harry is just authentic.

Well said.

BB should stop ramping up the pressure on her though (banning them from being in the same room); their first aim should be the safety and well-being of HMs. It is clear she is struggling for whatever reason and BB needs to take that into account.

Lol thankfully otherwise there would be no point in the forum but I am right you know