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Old 07-07-2015, 14:09
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Ok so BT 4K I is set to have its first outing during the first week in August and yet the new 4K box is no where to be seen I cannot see how they can get things put into place by launch day!
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Old 07-07-2015, 17:11
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It is quite normal for these type of channels to launch with no public viewers as to illiminate any issues there may be before a full launch and full production starts.

Even on a public launch it may be hard to get the kit - and I suspect BT will want to do them first.
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Old 07-07-2015, 17:14
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There were under 200 stb when UK DTT launched......
And I had two !!!!!
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Old 07-07-2015, 18:35
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I managed to get a Philips box before launch day - they then dried up for a while.

When Sky launched 3D - everybody had access to the kit - but the services was not opened up to them until Sky were happy.

There is still some doubt the currently 4K tvs are going to be able to perform to the required standard for satellite 4K transmissions.

So it would be unwise to spend too much on this at the moment - whether the viewer or the broadcaster.

There were under 200 stb when UK DTT launched......
And I had two !!!!!
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Old 07-07-2015, 20:36
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Thanks all I suppose I will have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks.
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Old 15-07-2015, 18:35
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Things are now starting to happen. The UHD service will be launched on Friday this week. Meanwhile, the BT tariff guide was updated today and has some UHD information.
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Cost of BT Youview UHD box:

With BT broadband 12/18 month contract and BT TV Entertainment Ultra HD 12 month contract:

£0 for a new BT TV customer; £49 for an existing BT TV customer.

Otherwise, full price £249.

Cost of TV Entertainment UHD pack

£20 per month.
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* Entertainment Ultra HD is only available to BT Infinity Fibre Broadband customers with a minimum line speed of 44 Mb and is only available on YouView+ Ultra HD boxes provided by BT.
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So now, we know!
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Old 15-07-2015, 18:46
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Thanks this is looking interesting.
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Old 17-07-2015, 16:32
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Having problems with BT just got the email about sign up but when I called they said my line speed was only 47mb and they need 44mb so I said my line speed was ok then so they then said it needs to be 55mb and one customer support person said the speed was ok but it's not available in my area!!!!!!!
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Old 17-07-2015, 16:50
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Ok the latest BT now saying my line speed at 49mb is good enough but although the product has been advertised today they are not able to take orders until Tuesday of next week I wonder what lies they come up with then!!!
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Old 17-07-2015, 21:11
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Ok the latest BT now saying my line speed at 49mb is good enough but although the product has been advertised today they are not able to take orders until Tuesday of next week I wonder what lies they come up with then!!!
I ordered mine today, being installed on 23/7
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Old 17-07-2015, 22:36
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I ordered mine today, being installed on 23/7
Is self-install at £0 an option?
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Old 18-07-2015, 09:28
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Ok the latest BT now saying my line speed at 49mb is good enough but although the product has been advertised today they are not able to take orders until Tuesday of next week I wonder what lies they come up with then!!!
So everyone who wants this product will also need Infinity 2. I'm happy with Infinity 1, delivering 37+Mbps (just below the max for Infinity 1), however this speed is not enough for 4k.
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Old 18-07-2015, 10:01
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Is UHD delivered via the internet then, not broadcast.
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Old 18-07-2015, 10:37
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Is UHD delivered via the internet then, not broadcast.
The BT version is over the Internet!
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Old 18-07-2015, 11:46
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Is UHD delivered via the internet then, not broadcast.
Currently so, as there's not even a broadcast standard yet, or for that matter not even an agreed standard for the TV's yet.
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Old 18-07-2015, 12:44
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Astra broadcast a UHD test channel via satellite. It is stunning quality.

You need a UHD tv with an HEVC tuner and direct satellite input.

I unplug one of the feeds from my Sky Box and connect it to the TV.

Don't know the bitrate, but it's on a transponder on its own.
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Old 18-07-2015, 13:22
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Ok so BT are now saying that Ultr HD is only being offered to 75% of customers and I am in the in the 25% who cannot get it but they cannot give any reason for this!
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Old 18-07-2015, 14:16
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The BT version is over the Internet!
Currently so, as there's not even a broadcast standard yet, or for that matter not even an agreed standard for the TV's yet.
Things are moving fast, pretty gob-smacked to see a 50in Panasonic 4k panel for £800, that was in Curry's as well, must be cheaper online.

So what do we think will suffer when 4k starts broadcasting, having just 'upgraded' to a Sky HD box only to find out SD movies are appalling quality and with other posters saying their HD movies aren't much better?

Maybe Sky might get rid of SD all together and bump everyone up before offering the 4k Pack for a small additional fee of course.
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Old 18-07-2015, 14:24
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Sky recently stopped the 3d channel possibly to create enough bandwidth for 4K!
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Old 18-07-2015, 14:46
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Currently so, as there's not even a broadcast standard yet, or for that matter not even an agreed standard for the TV's yet.
That's slightly misleading, because most of the standards for UHD1 phase 1 are known and agreed e.g. 3840 x 2160, HDMI 2.0 inputs (for 10 bit colour + 50 fps) and HEVC/h.265 encoding. What's missing of course is High Dynamic Range and it looks now like a common broadcast standard for that won't be agreed and implemented until some time next year, even though it's been agreed for Blu Ray.

So what's missing from the BT UHD box, obviously, is HDR but the rest is in place, consumers just need to make sure their shiny new 4K (or full HD if downscaling) TVs can handle it all... HDR aside. At the current offer price, I can see quite a few people getting the BT UHD box for the bigger hard drive, setting the output to 1080p/25 to match their TV, and planning to get their 4K TV some time later.

In fact, as I'm not overly fussed about high spatial resolution, I'd quite like to try out the 50 fps at 720p, which my TV can handle, just to see the benefits of the higher frame rate on the sports.
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Old 19-07-2015, 12:25
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So everyone who wants this product will also need Infinity 2. I'm happy with Infinity 1, delivering 37+Mbps (just below the max for Infinity 1), however this speed is not enough for 4k.
Just quoting my own post here, as I have just read on another site that "A BT spokesperson also noted that Infinity 1 customers will be able to order BT TV Ultra HD if their line is “technically capable” of supporting 44Mbps."

This sounds like they will be lifting customers on Infinity 1 who want the "ultra" channel to higher speed to support 44Mbps?

Source http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...t-top-box.html
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Old 19-07-2015, 12:52
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I have infinity 2 with a line speed of 49+ but they are sawing the speed is not good enough I have resorted to emailing CEO of BT and he has responded saying he will get his exec team to contact me.
The last excuse was the system was coming up with an error!
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Old 19-07-2015, 13:22
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This sounds like they will be lifting customers on Infinity 1 who want the "ultra" channel to higher speed to support 44Mbps?

Source http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...t-top-box.html
IIRC the 44Mbps is maximum line speed, so I think it's more likely that they are ensuring there's a decent margin as the data rate is usually a bit less than line speed, and line speeds can drop with time, e.g. due to crosstalk as more customers fill up the cabinet.

Infinity 1 customers with a solid 38 Mbps data download speed are probably OK (UHD channel will be less than 30Mbps) but without that margin, any drop in line speed could push the data rate below 38Mbps and would jeopardize the quality of service when viewing/recording a UHD + an HD channel. BT won't want that, it would be very bad publicity.
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Old 26-07-2015, 10:12
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I have infinity 2 with a line speed of 49+ but they are sawing the speed is not good enough I have resorted to emailing CEO of BT and he has responded saying he will get his exec team to contact me.
The last excuse was the system was coming up with an error!
Same thing here I have a line speed of 55mb/s and I am told it's not adequate and I just happen to need 56mb/s. What a total bulls*it excuse from BT that a UHD broadcast can't run on that. My line at maximum has been 72mb/s over the last 3 years and averages around 60mb/s.

The thing is I have also been told that the exchange has to be able to handle it as well not just your line. So if they don't have the bandwidth at the exchange then they are going to have to upgrade the exchanges again. If Netflix or Amazon can stream 4K on 20mb/s you would expect though a BT UHD broadcast to not use a lot more.
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Old 26-07-2015, 14:28
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Same thing here I have a line speed of 55mb/s and I am told it's not adequate and I just happen to need 56mb/s. What a total bulls*it excuse from BT that a UHD broadcast can't run on that. My line at maximum has been 72mb/s over the last 3 years and averages around 60mb/s.

The thing is I have also been told that the exchange has to be able to handle it as well not just your line. So if they don't have the bandwidth at the exchange then they are going to have to upgrade the exchanges again. If Netflix or Amazon can stream 4K on 20mb/s you would expect though a BT UHD broadcast to not use a lot more.
Hi mate I have ordered mine after contacting BT CEO I received an apology and they place the order I had to do a couple of hard wired line tests. And send them the results and they sorted it, they said there was a problem with there system that was stopping some people from placing the order.
My advice keep at it and don't let them bullshit you.
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