Considering we've had bb power trip and bb time bomb themes which to my mind have been a disaster I think it would be better next year if we don't have a theme for bb next year. Just a bog standard series with standard nominations, harder shopping tasks and no need to manufacture conflict, for conflict to happen naturally. So if the staff at channel 5 can do what I've suggested on this thread please I'd be as happy as Larry. Also to stick to not having contact with the outside world too as it'll make em panicky of how their perceived and that, things should be confidential and treated in the strictest of confidence.

The thing with perez and katie h in the last cbb was a joke as was ashleigh being immune from being nominated then getting put up for eviction for bb last year. Am fed up with the producers dishonesty and ineptitude. The sooner they can sort out and iron out bits of bb that are wrong to my mind the better. I'm sure I'm not the only one either that isn't impressed with the state of the show at the moment either.

The themes are only very loosely followed anyway though, and even if the next series didn't have a theme it would not stop the producers from manipulating the show and changing the rules at any given time.

Themes don't bother me at all.

To me channel 5 need to stop thinking their in their own comfort zone bubble in thinking a theme makes bb successful, which it clearly doesn't. The format needs an overhaul as well.

i am so glad TP does not have anything to do with making tv...

Love the show, but hate what channel 5 towers have done to it.

They should just let it play all over twitter next year. Kill two birds with one stone.

I'm thinking the same and for bb to tone down the casting too, too much conflict doesn't bode well for good tv.

Get rid of them. Secrets ad Lies, Power Trip, Timebomb. It's all so tacky and cringy. Just put 14 people in a house and lock the bloody door. Channel 5 are absolutely obsessed with putting housemates in the house and making it as difficult as possible for them, and this brings out the worst in the housemates which results in us hating all of them and being unable to find a favourite. It's ridiculous that the focus is on making it so difficult for them. It never used to be this way. Even in the later Channel 4 years which were bad, they still got the balance right between fun and making it difficult. These days the focus is just making it hell, and it's boring.

This. ^

i love the theme - if we never had the theme this year and with marc going so early it would have been very dull.

TP- completely irrelevant to the topic but are you the Paul that is on BOTS often? Just wondered since he is there a lot

yeah, lets go back to the early c4 days...
sleep deprivation, deliberately putting housemate against house mate, fight night.... nothing has changed other than the hours of the show broadcast and the "live feed" that was often "bird noise" because they couldnt broadcast anything concerning 3rd parties... or about anything "big" that happened in the house as that was for the highlights show..

so it isnt that you are missing? bird noise and pointless chat?
and it cant be the style because it has always been about setting people against each other (unless that is the bit you actually missed rather than miss)

so whats left? the tasks that were like cbbc gunge games or early saturday evening "family tv" like hole in the head, or wall or whatever it was called? because people who like that already have lots of shows on at earlier times... so why put it on another that fills an adult time slot that lasts only an hour...

no... c5 is very similar to c4... the casting is often similar (but memory in many people is very transitory as they get old and it gets longer away... they forget they age so the house looks younger or acts more immature, or they forget the "fashion for speaking" changes while they dont so see it as different)....

what you want tp is a camera watching people in a library or perhaps going home on a bus... and you dont need a tv for that, nor will a tv company ever make a show like that...

the early c5 days were too young in casting, their aim for the youth market failed. the last 3 years have been like the highly successful bb5 & bb6... aimed not so tightly at the youth market c5 tried to capture... they are very similar but you cant see it perhaps because of the "lack of fluff show hours" ??

do you think any tv is left to see if something randomly happens??? it never is... everything is planned, everything is themed, everyone cast every task is to produce something expected of them, everything has to deliver... random tv? never happened.

Not at all.

I thought marc was quite false to be honest.

other things that are not random....

when a radio station says "lucky calller on line 11 wins" it meas they answer the phone until someone sounds like the sort of person they want to win.. normally thats a "hyper" sounding person who when they go live will sound hyper and exciting to the listeners when they win... sometimes its a dull sounding person so they can do the old "oh dont sound so bored" routine again as listener entertainment...

80s "the price is right" which "randomly picked" contestants from the audience... what actually happened was the shows researchers went up and down the queue outside the studio talking to people... working out which were "the show type" to have as contestants...

random tv & radio is too dodgy... entertainment shows live on delivering an audience.. a flop is one random show away... so nothing is random. its all cast, its all planned, its all themed.... because if within 15 minutes people are not hooked.. they flip channels.

Agree that themes are a waste of time. They are better off putting their energy into longer, creative tasks like the hotel task.

Entirely that.

except there isnt a product in the world that doesnt get a new bottle shape, a new logo, a new label, a new ingredient, a new something to make it look like it is new.very few people wear exactly the same colour clothes, the same hair cut, play the same music everyday forever

the theme is about keeping it looking fresh - and it doesnt have to be substantial its about marketing...

same thing year after year = death

Secrets and Lies worked as a one off. But it still has the classic BB vibe about it, just that it was all a bit of fun. Last year yesr and this year have killed BB stone dead. If they insist on a theme for next year, make it more of a loose theme like this years CBB's Twisted Fairytale, where it's a harmless theme that very much runs in the background and is a bit tongue in cheek.

Completely agree

Really bored of the twists and sharing social media comments with the HMs

Instead of blowing the budget on putting tired old has-beens back in the house - spend the money on creative tasks and mind games

Oh an fake evictions and secret houses are just tedious now

It's the tired format that enables all these twists to happen, a lot of the twists they do are half arsed ideas anyway.

Everything bb do is for an unethical short term profit and not a sensible long term plan. They panicked when ratings were poor so did the 4 in and 4 out twist which I thought was ill thought out and the old people could have stayed for longer to solidify their fan base sizes.

Know endemol and channel 5 will think we're chronic moaners on this thread in regards to bb currently, but it's a consequence of taking us for mugs really.

Bb this year is the worst of the civilian bbs I've ever seen, it's been well and truly a write off. I hope more heart is put into cbb as civilian bb this year for a second year running has been a piece of garbage.

I've recently been looking in to BB USA, and it seems they have more tasks in their version. There's always the Head of House competition, and the shopping task every week. There's also a luxury item task sometimes.

I'd like to see the next British series try going down this route with more emphasis on the tasks. But perhaps make the tasks more productive. And make the house less luxurious, and more basic. And make the HMs earn their luxuries, instead of handing everything to them.

The management and producers of our version are the people standing in the way of it sadly.

The only themes I would accept would be "Back to Basics" or "Secrets & Lies 2.0". The first because I want to see big brother return to it's roots and not the towie-like show it's become. The second because it was a good series and the possibilities of the theme are endless. Plus it made the housemates so paranoid. I remember at one point the housemates were convinced Dexter was a twin and him and his twin were constantly swapping? Time bomb and power trip were very restricting in what they could do and most importantly dull, dull, dull.