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Old 07-07-2015, 18:25
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Grant and Tiffany were one of EE's big couples but did Grant truly loved Tiffany? I don't know if he did because he didn't treat Tiffany well but would love to hear your thoughts.
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Old 07-07-2015, 18:32
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She was never Sharon. He knew that and so did Tiffany. It was a toxic relationship centred around the fact that she was the mother of his daughter.

I'd love to see Courtney find out how Grant treated her mum. I'd imagine she's been kept very much in the dark about Tiffany in general. That could be her initial storyline if she ever returned, trying to find out more about Tiffany.
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Old 07-07-2015, 18:46
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I don't think he genuinely loved Tiffany. She was the mother of his child and it was evident that he loved Sharon more than Tiffany. Grant and Tiffany's marriage was toxic and it was partly his fault that Tiffany died in 1998.
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Old 07-07-2015, 18:48
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I wanted him to end up with Lorraine Wicks . At least he loved her and they were a better fit .

And I don't think he loved Tiffany , you only have to look at the way he treated her , it wasn't just the affairs , it was the cruelty too because he barely liked her let alone loved her and she was a doormat .
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Old 07-07-2015, 19:00
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Grant's marriage to Tiffany reminds me of why I'm not as enamoured by him as others. He changed, but he was violent and abusive towards her. Phil was just as bad towards Lisa, but Tiffany never even got a happy ending.

He admitted in 2005 to Sharon that he wished he treated Tiffany better, when he talked about Courtney and was told about her abortion.

I'd say Grant loved Lorraine Wicks more.

I don't remember much about Carla as I didn't watch EE for much of 2006 and he had flings with Jane and Chelsea.
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Old 07-07-2015, 19:02
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Grant never loved Tiffany as much as Sharon and he made sure Tiff was aware of this, several times. Poor Tiffany accepted she would never live up to Sharon in Grant's mind, but told him it didn't matter as she had enough love for both of them. Grant only stayed with her because of Courtney, and don't forget he also had an affair with Tiffany's mum.

The Mitchell brothers treat all of their women like dirt
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Old 07-07-2015, 19:05
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He didn't love her not in the way Tiffany would of wanted, they never started on a stable ground, I think he very much only married her because of Courtney, he treated her like dirt most of the time, it was a volatile relationship, he was still in love with Shazza and was controlling of Tiffany.
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Old 07-07-2015, 19:27
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I bloody loved Tiffany. Horrible what Grant did to her.
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Old 07-07-2015, 19:29
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I remember Grant telling Tiffany once he thought of Sharon when they were making love. Poor Tiff! She was never going to live up to Sharon as Grant put her on a pedal stool. Despite Sharon having it off with his brother. Tiffany seemed to love Grant more than Sharon did but Grant was still vile to her.
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Old 07-07-2015, 20:27
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I'd love to see Courtney find out how Grant treated her mum. I'd imagine she's been kept very much in the dark about Tiffany in general. That could be her initial storyline if she ever returned, trying to find out more about Tiffany.
there's not many people left to tell her about her mum, Sharon and Phil but they're not a reliable source. Ian maybe but as it's the Mitchell,s...
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Old 07-07-2015, 20:37
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If he did then it was a twisted kind of love. He generally treated her like shite, even having it off with her own mother! I used to be a Grant fan but he was hard to like in those years.
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Old 07-07-2015, 20:38
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The tiff/grant stuff was amazing tv.
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Old 07-07-2015, 20:48
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there's not many people left to tell her about her mum, Sharon and Phil but they're not a reliable source. Ian maybe but as it's the Mitchell,s...
Yeah Sharon probably didn't even know Tiffany. She arrived after the Sharongate storyline. Wouldn't trust Phil to tell the truth.

If Bianca came back, Courtney would hear a lot about how Grant treated Tiff. Before Kat, Tiffany was her best mate and she hated Grant for what he did.

I don't know if she's meant to have any contact with Terry, Louise or Simon Raymond.

Possibly Dot, she had some pretty unsavoury words for Grant after Tiffany's death which Peggy overheard.
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Old 07-07-2015, 22:28
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I think Grant liked Tiffany and he wanted her but he never loved her. He married her because of Courtney.

On the other hand, Tiffany wasn't sure if she was pregnant with Grant's baby or Tony HIlls'. Tiff and Tony had been dating until she caught him kissing her brother, Simon and she went running to Grant to spite Tony. She fell in love with him later.
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Old 07-07-2015, 22:51
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there's not many people left to tell her about her mum, Sharon and Phil but they're not a reliable source. Ian maybe but as it's the Mitchell,s...
In my own fan world, Courtney's search to find out more about her mum would lead to a big Bianca and Courtney scene and perhaps she searches out Louise? It's my little dream!
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Old 07-07-2015, 23:04
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Sharon was the love of Grant's life and he made it clear that Tiffany didn't measure up by comparison. A lot of the time he didn't even seem to like her. In the end he realised he did actually love her (not as much as Sharon but love all the same) but it was too late.

What I liked about their messed up relationship is that the show acknowledged it for what it was. They didn't think 'Oh Sharon's out of the picture, let's make Tiffany out to be Grant's soul mate', they showed it for what it was and I preferred that to the approach they have taken with Sharon and Phil, whose relationship is being painted as an epic romance because Dennis and Grant are no longer around.

They kind of took the Grant and Tiffany approach with Shirley and Phil, but the wrong woman hung over their relationship - Sharon, when it should've been Kathy.
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Old 07-07-2015, 23:25
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I think in the last few months of Tiffany 's life , the writers full on moved into soppy movie territory. Does anyone remember that ridiculous line about Tiffany being the love of Grant's life , he just didn't know it until now . I thought it was badly written trying to make it into the love story of the century . I think it could have still been more powerful , if he just acknowledged that he shouldn't have treated her in that way , they didn't need to make it into a big love story . He didn't love her , all his actions up until that point said that he didn't .
I think he felt guilt after she died , it didn't take him long to forget her either .

It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant if Ross Kemp does return , Sharongate part 2 would bore me to sleep so I hope they don't do that .
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Old 07-07-2015, 23:47
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I think in the last few months of Tiffany 's life , the writers full on moved into soppy movie territory. Does anyone remember that ridiculous line about Tiffany being the love of Grant's life , he just didn't know it until now . I thought it was badly written trying to make it into the love story of the century . I think it could have still been more powerful , if he just acknowledged that he shouldn't have treated her in that way , they didn't need to make it into a big love story . He didn't love her , all his actions up until that point said that he didn't .
I think he felt guilt after she died , it didn't take him long to forget her either .

It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant if Ross Kemp does return , Sharongate part 2 would bore me to sleep so I hope they don't do that .
It's a shame if they did start putting lines like that in as in general I liked the way the show didn't try to portray her as Grant's soul mate just because Sharon wasn't there. I remember the realisation that he loved her but don't remember the 'love of life' reference. That does rather contradict some of their earlier material.
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Old 07-07-2015, 23:57
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It's a shame if they did start putting lines like that in as in general I liked the way the show didn't try to portray her as Grant's soul mate just because Sharon wasn't there. I remember the realisation that he loved her but don't remember the 'love of life' reference. That does rather contradict some of their earlier material.
It was a long time ago so someone can correct me on that if I'm wrong but I seem to remember Grant saying that line to Tiffany's mum ? That is when I thought this storyline is ridiculous . Sharon was always the love of Grant's life , they spent years establishing that and then they changed it to suit their tragic ending . Grant and Tiffany did make good TV and it was a good watch , I just think they should have kept it more real and consistent to everything that had gone on before.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:03
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I don't think it was real love
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Old 08-07-2015, 08:21
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I remember Tiffany and how pretty she was before she got those BIG teeth.
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Old 08-07-2015, 10:35
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Sharon was the love of Grant's life and he made it clear that Tiffany didn't measure up by comparison. A lot of the time he didn't even seem to like her. In the end he realised he did actually love her (not as much as Sharon but love all the same) but it was too late.

What I liked about their messed up relationship is that the show acknowledged it for what it was. They didn't think 'Oh Sharon's out of the picture, let's make Tiffany out to be Grant's soul mate', they showed it for what it was and I preferred that to the approach they have taken with Sharon and Phil, whose relationship is being painted as an epic romance because Dennis and Grant are no longer around.
I agree with everything you've said here - apart from the point about Sharon and Phil's marriage. I actually don't think they are portraying it as an epic love story. Sharon has settled for Phil because he's 'there', and because neither of them are getting any younger. Letitia Dean has said as much in interviews; she thinks Sharon married Phil because he's always had her back and he's someone who will provide her with stability.

I think it's always been clear that Phil loved Sharon more than she ever loved him, and I don't think this has changed now that they're married. If it came to a choice between Phil and Dennis, she'd choose Dennis every time.
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Old 08-07-2015, 10:53
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Grant put her on a pedal stool..
I'm sorry - WHAT?
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:22
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Sharon was the love of Grant's life and he made it clear that Tiffany didn't measure up by comparison. A lot of the time he didn't even seem to like her. In the end he realised he did actually love her (not as much as Sharon but love all the same) but it was too late.

What I liked about their messed up relationship is that the show acknowledged it for what it was. They didn't think 'Oh Sharon's out of the picture, let's make Tiffany out to be Grant's soul mate', they showed it for what it was and I preferred that to the approach they have taken with Sharon and Phil, whose relationship is being painted as an epic romance because Dennis and Grant are no longer around.

They kind of took the Grant and Tiffany approach with Shirley and Phil, but the wrong woman hung over their relationship - Sharon, when it should've been Kathy.
I agree with most of this but I think Phil in his own way cares more about Sharon than he did Kathy. He treated Kathy like absolute shit and didn't have any respect for her. I know he's not been great to Sharon either but I've always got the impression he respects her (as much as a Mitchell can respect anyone) and is impressed with how strong willed and independent she is (or was before this stint). He even said as much to Shirley when he said Sharon goes for what she wants and gets it. I do like Phil and Sharon as a couple but I was just as happy to see them as friends during Sharon's last stint. I think if Phil truly loved Kathy more than any other woman he wouldn't be preventing her return to the square. If that was Sharon in that scenario he'd go all out to bring her home. Just look at how he leapt to her aid when she called off her wedding and needed help getting Denny back from her gangster fiance.
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:27
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I agree with everything you've said here - apart from the point about Sharon and Phil's marriage. I actually don't think they are portraying it as an epic love story. Sharon has settled for Phil because he's 'there', and because neither of them are getting any younger. Letitia Dean has said as much in interviews; she thinks Sharon married Phil because he's always had her back and he's someone who will provide her with stability.

I think it's always been clear that Phil loved Sharon more than she ever loved him, and I don't think this has changed now that they're married. If it came to a choice between Phil and Dennis, she'd choose Dennis every time.
Agree with this, they're not portraying them as a epic love story, I think there both now at a cross road in their lives, they've both been through the mill more then enough times and now in their late forties and fifties are together because it familiar,.

I'm not gonna say there not any love there because they always gravitate towards each other, it not the kind of love or relationship that they had with Kathy, Grant, Dennis etc but one that works for them on some level, they have their issues but then they've never not had issues in previous relationships, will they last probably not but time will tell what direction they gonna take them.
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