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EE - Grant and Tiffany
Grant and Tiffany were one of EE's big couples but did Grant truly loved Tiffany? I don't know if he did because he didn't treat Tiffany well but would love to hear your thoughts.
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She was never Sharon. He knew that and so did Tiffany. It was a toxic relationship centred around the fact that she was the mother of his daughter.
I'd love to see Courtney find out how Grant treated her mum. I'd imagine she's been kept very much in the dark about Tiffany in general. That could be her initial storyline if she ever returned, trying to find out more about Tiffany. |
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I don't think he genuinely loved Tiffany. She was the mother of his child and it was evident that he loved Sharon more than Tiffany. Grant and Tiffany's marriage was toxic and it was partly his fault that Tiffany died in 1998.
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I wanted him to end up with Lorraine Wicks . At least he loved her and they were a better fit .
And I don't think he loved Tiffany , you only have to look at the way he treated her , it wasn't just the affairs , it was the cruelty too because he barely liked her let alone loved her and she was a doormat . |
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Grant's marriage to Tiffany reminds me of why I'm not as enamoured by him as others. He changed, but he was violent and abusive towards her. Phil was just as bad towards Lisa, but Tiffany never even got a happy ending.
He admitted in 2005 to Sharon that he wished he treated Tiffany better, when he talked about Courtney and was told about her abortion. I'd say Grant loved Lorraine Wicks more. I don't remember much about Carla as I didn't watch EE for much of 2006 and he had flings with Jane and Chelsea. |
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Grant never loved Tiffany as much as Sharon and he made sure Tiff was aware of this, several times. Poor Tiffany accepted she would never live up to Sharon in Grant's mind, but told him it didn't matter as she had enough love for both of them. Grant only stayed with her because of Courtney, and don't forget he also had an affair with Tiffany's mum.
The Mitchell brothers treat all of their women like dirt
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He didn't love her not in the way Tiffany would of wanted, they never started on a stable ground, I think he very much only married her because of Courtney, he treated her like dirt most of the time, it was a volatile relationship, he was still in love with Shazza and was controlling of Tiffany.
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I bloody loved Tiffany. Horrible what Grant did to her.
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I remember Grant telling Tiffany once he thought of Sharon when they were making love. Poor Tiff! She was never going to live up to Sharon as Grant put her on a pedal stool. Despite Sharon having it off with his brother. Tiffany seemed to love Grant more than Sharon did but Grant was still vile to her.
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I'd love to see Courtney find out how Grant treated her mum. I'd imagine she's been kept very much in the dark about Tiffany in general. That could be her initial storyline if she ever returned, trying to find out more about Tiffany. |
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If he did then it was a twisted kind of love. He generally treated her like shite, even having it off with her own mother! I used to be a Grant fan but he was hard to like in those years.
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The tiff/grant stuff was amazing tv.
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there's not many people left to tell her about her mum, Sharon and Phil but they're not a reliable source. Ian maybe but as it's the Mitchell,s...
If Bianca came back, Courtney would hear a lot about how Grant treated Tiff. Before Kat, Tiffany was her best mate and she hated Grant for what he did. I don't know if she's meant to have any contact with Terry, Louise or Simon Raymond. Possibly Dot, she had some pretty unsavoury words for Grant after Tiffany's death which Peggy overheard. |
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I think Grant liked Tiffany and he wanted her but he never loved her. He married her because of Courtney.
On the other hand, Tiffany wasn't sure if she was pregnant with Grant's baby or Tony HIlls'. Tiff and Tony had been dating until she caught him kissing her brother, Simon and she went running to Grant to spite Tony. She fell in love with him later. |
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there's not many people left to tell her about her mum, Sharon and Phil but they're not a reliable source. Ian maybe but as it's the Mitchell,s...
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Sharon was the love of Grant's life and he made it clear that Tiffany didn't measure up by comparison. A lot of the time he didn't even seem to like her. In the end he realised he did actually love her (not as much as Sharon but love all the same) but it was too late.
What I liked about their messed up relationship is that the show acknowledged it for what it was. They didn't think 'Oh Sharon's out of the picture, let's make Tiffany out to be Grant's soul mate', they showed it for what it was and I preferred that to the approach they have taken with Sharon and Phil, whose relationship is being painted as an epic romance because Dennis and Grant are no longer around. They kind of took the Grant and Tiffany approach with Shirley and Phil, but the wrong woman hung over their relationship - Sharon, when it should've been Kathy. |
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I think in the last few months of Tiffany 's life , the writers full on moved into soppy movie territory. Does anyone remember that ridiculous line about Tiffany being the love of Grant's life , he just didn't know it until now . I thought it was badly written trying to make it into the love story of the century . I think it could have still been more powerful , if he just acknowledged that he shouldn't have treated her in that way , they didn't need to make it into a big love story . He didn't love her , all his actions up until that point said that he didn't .
I think he felt guilt after she died , it didn't take him long to forget her either . It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant if Ross Kemp does return , Sharongate part 2 would bore me to sleep so I hope they don't do that . |
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I think in the last few months of Tiffany 's life , the writers full on moved into soppy movie territory. Does anyone remember that ridiculous line about Tiffany being the love of Grant's life , he just didn't know it until now . I thought it was badly written trying to make it into the love story of the century . I think it could have still been more powerful , if he just acknowledged that he shouldn't have treated her in that way , they didn't need to make it into a big love story . He didn't love her , all his actions up until that point said that he didn't .
I think he felt guilt after she died , it didn't take him long to forget her either . It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant if Ross Kemp does return , Sharongate part 2 would bore me to sleep so I hope they don't do that . |
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It's a shame if they did start putting lines like that in as in general I liked the way the show didn't try to portray her as Grant's soul mate just because Sharon wasn't there. I remember the realisation that he loved her but don't remember the 'love of life' reference. That does rather contradict some of their earlier material.
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I don't think it was real love
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I remember Tiffany and how pretty she was before she got those BIG teeth.
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Sharon was the love of Grant's life and he made it clear that Tiffany didn't measure up by comparison. A lot of the time he didn't even seem to like her. In the end he realised he did actually love her (not as much as Sharon but love all the same) but it was too late.
What I liked about their messed up relationship is that the show acknowledged it for what it was. They didn't think 'Oh Sharon's out of the picture, let's make Tiffany out to be Grant's soul mate', they showed it for what it was and I preferred that to the approach they have taken with Sharon and Phil, whose relationship is being painted as an epic romance because Dennis and Grant are no longer around. I think it's always been clear that Phil loved Sharon more than she ever loved him, and I don't think this has changed now that they're married. If it came to a choice between Phil and Dennis, she'd choose Dennis every time. |
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Grant put her on a pedal stool..
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Sharon was the love of Grant's life and he made it clear that Tiffany didn't measure up by comparison. A lot of the time he didn't even seem to like her. In the end he realised he did actually love her (not as much as Sharon but love all the same) but it was too late.
What I liked about their messed up relationship is that the show acknowledged it for what it was. They didn't think 'Oh Sharon's out of the picture, let's make Tiffany out to be Grant's soul mate', they showed it for what it was and I preferred that to the approach they have taken with Sharon and Phil, whose relationship is being painted as an epic romance because Dennis and Grant are no longer around. They kind of took the Grant and Tiffany approach with Shirley and Phil, but the wrong woman hung over their relationship - Sharon, when it should've been Kathy. |
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I agree with everything you've said here - apart from the point about Sharon and Phil's marriage. I actually don't think they are portraying it as an epic love story. Sharon has settled for Phil because he's 'there', and because neither of them are getting any younger. Letitia Dean has said as much in interviews; she thinks Sharon married Phil because he's always had her back and he's someone who will provide her with stability.
I think it's always been clear that Phil loved Sharon more than she ever loved him, and I don't think this has changed now that they're married. If it came to a choice between Phil and Dennis, she'd choose Dennis every time. I'm not gonna say there not any love there because they always gravitate towards each other, it not the kind of love or relationship that they had with Kathy, Grant, Dennis etc but one that works for them on some level, they have their issues but then they've never not had issues in previous relationships, will they last probably not but time will tell what direction they gonna take them. |
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