I still have no idea why he has chosen to not accept him into the Dingle family?

It;s all about the mother. Cain made a mistake when he shagged Amy and doesn't like being reminded of that mistake. This is why he was so upset when Moira miscarried. He loves her and wanted her child.

You can sort of see he has guilt pangs when he looks at Kyle.

But since it's nigh on impossible to tell what Cain 'love' actually looks like anyway, I'd say not really. There's no bond. He's a man that keeps his emotions well under wraps and in boxes. Dobbeh gets a hug now and then but Cain is not that emotional or tactile so I think love is a difficult concept for him to express.

I dont understand it either, the Dingles make such a song and dance about "family", any man would be proud to have a healthy son and the way Cain panders around his ghastly daughter. No doubt Cain will have the usual Road to Damascus moment and realise he loves Kyle after all and will try and get him from Jawnie.

He explained to Moira that he didn't want to be reminded of his treatment of Amy, which he was ashamed of. There's been a few scenes where they showed him wavering. I think its entirely believable that someone who finds dealing with emotions so difficult would react in that way. It's an extremely difficult situation, and I don't think it's so very unusual. You hear about adults who track down birth parents only to be rejected. I bet 'Long Lost Families' have loads of storiees which they don't show because of that.

Exactly. Not showing love doesn't mean people don't feel it.

Tbh I was annoyed with Zak for not being a bit more understanding!

Zak was spot on for me. Remember what he once said to Cain?

Cain only care about Debbie and her kids because they're part of Charity.

I believe that.

But surely Zak could figure out that the whole situation is difficult for Cain? Especially given the damage it did to their relationship? Zak really is in a glass house where it comes to flinging up all the stuff about 'fsmily. ,' he must have had suspicions that Cain was his but he left him in an abusive, neglectful situation.

Personally I do think, from the odd moments we've seen tjat Cain does have feelings for Kyle but it's hard for him to build on that, given that hewad trying ti put everything. tjat happened at that time in the past.

He didn't want him in the first place.
He doesn't know him, he's only just set eyes on him.
Why would he love him?
If someone said your next door neighbour was your father (or mother, brother, sister, whatever) would you instantly love them?

It's Zak's default position that there's simple explanation for everything. You'd think after his experiences with Belle that he might realise that emotions can be very complicated and people don't always have the reaction you'd want, but he's made no attempt to try to build bridges with Cain or understand what he might be going through - he's jumping to conclusions out of anger.

Given alll the circumstances of Kyle's birth, and the aftermath of Zak's assault on Cain, you'd think he would realise that it wasn't going to be an episode of The Waltons.

I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't, Kyle is insufferable and not to be trusted.

I can't understand why people think this situation would be anything but difficult tbh.
I think there are situations where parents have little choice but to give a child up, and these parents will often spend years yearning to see their child. That was never the situation with Cain and Kyle, and Cain as per usual is burying his feelings about it. It's probably hard for Cain to even think of Kyle as his son. He thought he'd been aborted, never saw him as a newborn and up til now had only met him twice. I think the whole thing of Joanie and Kyle's arrival has been a huge amount to.take in.

I would rather see ED being a bit realistic about situations like this, rather than having him dandling Kyle on his knee within a few episodes. I hope their relationship does improve but it's not going to happen immediately.

Are we talking about little Kyle, here. He is a baby, who has hardly spoken on the show yet. Why would we not trust him. I think that Cain does care about the lad, but he is not big on showing his emotions. Give him time.

Im sure the Subject will get revisited

Fed up of hearing what is best for Cain.

He is a grown man who could have got help years ago.

Kyle is a child. Too much excuses for him on here.

is what's best for Kyle to be near Cain? I think he's far better off without Cain or Amy. Joanie seems like a loving, caring, well balanced individual who evidently did well raising her daughter. Personally, I think when you're as messed up as Cain you're best not having kids. Not all adults make half decent parents.

I'm not sure that it's even about excuses. It's understanding that its an emotional minefield of a situation for everyone and it will take a long time to settle. I would disagree

I don't think it's about making excuses, It's about understanding that it's an extremely difficult situation.

in an ideal world Cain would have got anger management therapy years ago, and would have faced up to his issues. That stuff isn't as readily available as you might think and blokes like Cain have a warped idea of what's manly. He probably thinks he doesn't need therapy - it's ok for his sister because she's ill and female, and his Dad who's a pensioner Added to that, to those of us who were kids pre 'Care in the Community' therapy was something for Hollywood stars and lunatic asylums and the rest of us had to get on with it. I wasn't diagnosed with a serious psychiatric condition until my mid 30s I was 'just a worrier' (to quote one of my GPs). It turns out I was showing symptoms at 13.

I agree that we should all do our best to remain healthy, but it's extremely difficult to accept you need help with these things until there's a crisis. Cain's a macho bloke, he might not get to that point. That's not an excuse, it's just how those types of guys are. It doesn't mean that he feels nothing for Kyle. Kyle on the other hand might be better off without him, until he's an adult himself and able to be a bit more understanding and forgiving. Joanie evidently was a good parent and I'm sure will do a great job witb Kyle. Being rejected by Amy and Cain was a blessing in disguise for Kyle. I really WOULDn't have wanted either bringing him up - the damage just gets passed on. I thought Cain did the right thing lasr time Kyle appeared in not havi.g anything to do with him although none of that was fir Kyle's sake.

I hope they don't have Cain suddenly decides he loves Kyle. It would be silly. He has never been in Kyle's life or shown any interest in him whatsoever. Just because he is biologically Kyle's dad doesn't mean he should feel like he is , really Zak and Lisa are very wrong here - just because they feel a bond to Kyle doesn't mean Cain should.

Interesting post - but seriously, I think you're taking your "Cain defending" responsibilities just a little bit too far

I think it's good that they are helping Joanie but they really need to get over this idea that 'family is best.' Generally it is, but sometimes it isn't , as they've had cause to realise themselves. They're doing exactly what they all did with Debbie and Sarah, using guilt and punishing someone for not having the 'right' reaction. Well it doesn't always work that way, and sometimes it takes a bit of time, especially when the situation came out of nowhere.

Thank goodness Kyle has Joanie who loves him AND has common sense!

I feel a lot of sympathy for him. My Dad's not unlike him, his Dad was a grade A violent nutcase who had gangsters coming to the door with guns to 'get' him(I'm not kidding about that) and my Dad struggled with being a parent and showing affection. That's not the same as not feeling it. That stuff gets passed down -my Granddad also had very violent Dad. When you add poor mental health, like runs in my family and the Dingles it's a bad combination and I think its worse for blokes because they are still encouraged to be macho while women are more likely to seek help.

I also really don't like the way parents are put under presure to act and feel certain ways and treated as failures if they don't, and that the society we live in today has gone to the polar opposite of the70s and 80s, and become very sentimental about kids. Not everyone will want their children or instantly bond with them. Cain might eventually but common sense (something Zak and Lisa used to have) says that it will take time.

So no, it's not a nice reaction that he's having but it's very true to life and understandable. Thank goodness ED is honest about stuff like this from time to time,

I think kyle will be involved in the 'summer stunt' and Cain will end up rescuing him.

He was happy to accept Debbie because she was Charitys. Kyle reminds him that he messed up a teen.
He needs to grow up!

Kyle is nothing to Cain.
Biology on its own means zilch.

Of course it's about his shame. I never denied thatYes, he does need to learn to deal with his emotions. That will take a while. You asked if he had feelings for Kyle -yes I think he does. That doesn't mean he can show it or get over his shame quickly. It also doesn't mean it won't happen. Why would it be a quick or easy process?