I haven't heard Moira try and persuade him either. As long as he cleans up Adams mess!

Do we really care? I for one am sick of this middle aged, gum chewing, swaggering, 'ard man'.

Don't you mean do I really care? Loads of us on here like Cain.

I don't much. Why don't they develop Ross or Robert or Carl.

How didn't Carl and Cameron kill him.

How can they develop Ross? He's just a cold, criminal scrumbag who only cares about himself. Carl was killed by Cameron on the ED live 40th anniversary episode nearly 3 years ago so they can't develop him. I think Robert is fine as he is - not a nice character but great to watch!

In a Cain isnt the biggest and baddest anymore.

One of the 3 mentioned would have killed him by now!

maybe she knows him well enough to know that there's no point constantly going on about it, because that will just make him clam up even more?

is it not a good thing that he's grown up a bit and is less of a thug? I don't think Ross has the capacity to do that. He's been badly developed from the start, and he's able to almost kill people without batting an eyelid for cash, but he's a coward at the same time. Unless they can write him more believably - ie showing he's got a soft side by cloying scenes with April. He's stupid as well. I really don't want to see more of him. I don't care who could hit who the hardest, I want interesting characters and Ross has failed big time. But yes, you're right Ross is capable of killing people for practically no reason, so I'm sure if Cain had a tenner that he wanted, he'd soon get a whack over the head TBH I find him cheap and nasty. Robert and Carl had money as their gods but they both had interesting stories, and in some way it was understandable as to how they became what they have. Ross' excuses are poor. He's another one that's shaping up to be a crap Dad by the way. I thought Ross would be good but he's been a total let down. I hope Carly shops him.

Moira is a crap mum and a very selfish character.

Yes!

Best part of todays ep!

Tell me about it. The guy's a blatant psychopath, as if Moira would go anywhere near somebody like him in reality. Laughable.

Twice she has encouraged or accepted his thug act in recent weeks. Ross would have been dead when he crashed open that van door.

Don't know if he does love him or not.

He is trying not to.

They could have used this Storyline, to leave him with no choice.

I cant see Denise Black being a stayer, and I eould have killed her character off

Loved Cain going back in.

I don't believe Cain truly loves either of his kids, he didn't even think about Debbie when he got up, he was screaming for Moira and too worried about her. It was only when she asked him outside about Debbie did he think 'oh yea, I had a daughter in there too. I better go see if she's dead or alive'.
What parent wouldn't think of their child first before their wife or their husband? It just wouldn't happen unless they didn't love the child. At least with Kyle I can understand since Cain's never wanted him and has spent a grand total of probably about an hour with him, so there wouldn't be strong feelings there. But no doubt today with Kyle in danger he'll realise how much he loves him or some rubbish, ugh

After last night's episode, I don't think so. He didn't want to look for his helpless son in a dangerous building. He had to be begged. A parents first instinct should be to save their child, but he was more interested in going to the hospital and waiting.

I think with a lot of men their first instinct is to protect their wife, just as the mother's first instinct is usually to protect the child. He put his life at risk going back for both of his kids. If he had put Debbie first and left Moira people on here would be criticising. It's a human impossibility to divide yourself in two. The guy rescued his wife, his daughter and his Dad (who was pretty good at handing out instructions without doing anything - WTF Zak??Don't go breaking a sweat or anything) and went back to look for Kyle. I wonder.how many of us would be able to sort our emotions and get our priorities absolutely right in such a situation.

I think as others have said, that he's stopping himself from caring about Kyle I really don't kniw what else he could do to prove he loves Debbie

It was horibble to see him waver over helping Kyle and frankly give up on searching the village hall, but I'm actually that ED can be quite honest about that stuff. He seems like he's in complete denial, refusing to accept that Kyle's his and even thst he might be ib danger. I'm pretty sure that these walls will come down
Personallt, I hate when soaps do the 'Road to Damascus' moment, and suddenly everything's all warm and cuddly. Cain will take a while to figure things out with Kyle.

Not getting it right and not being able to handle emotions aren't the same as not having them. Thete must be a lot of people who have or are great parents and on this forum. and who are fantastic in emergencies

He didn't even think of Debbie though, he wasn't wavering about who to save first, his first instinct was Moira and saving her when any good parent IMO would really think of their child first and foremost. He could have shouted for Debbie but it was all about Moira and that to me just shows how Moira means more to him than his own kids, for a parent their child should always be their number one priority in situations like that. Even Charity would have been all about Noah and Debbie than whatever guy she was in love with.

Bet he bonds with Kyle eventually

If Debbie should die tonight and Cain was not with her at the time but rescuing Kyle when all the time he had wanted to be at the hospital to be with her..the child he loved died and the one he had no affection for lived...it may have such a damaging effect on Cain he may never forgive Kyle ever....

To be fair he had an idea of where Moira would be. I would presume Pete would help Debbie. Zak then popped up so he got him on instinct. Then he went for Debbie and had no real idea where to start looking. Then he went to get Kyle, yes he had to be begged but by the trailer Kyle isn't going to just leave him despite him being scared. Then again I don't think Cain would leave any child in that situation.

Ross or Robert though...

I am convinced he does now after tonight's eps

I think we know he does now

Not the way he loves Debbie - not yet anyway - but he will.

I often think it's obvious that scriptwriters (especially on Hollyoaks) are not parents. Before you become a parent, the man or woman you love comes first; when you are a parent, your child comes first.