Could it be that most of the viewers (including us!) are equally shallow?
Admittedly I'm a crusty old fart but the tabloids seem to be full of 'celebrities' who have zero talent or reason for their so-called fame.

Distance is measured by inches or centimetres if you are young, intelligence is measured by IQ scores. Distance exists as a concept without a specific measurement being applied, and so does intelligence.

You can have any view you want, you can also go off and find a definition that supports it as I have with mine. Or not. No.problem.

Is the term Willfully ignorant ok with you then? Are you expecting me to class someone as intelligent or aware when they haven't demonstrated it?

And for the FMS who keep quoting me, Can I strongly reiterate that I'm talking about basic everyday knowledge, not complex theories or fact.

I respect some folks feels it's perfectly fine for a grown person that has had western education not to know basic information about gravity or commonly known historical events but in my opinion it is not

I'd go with this. I can't remember anything I've learned these days. I can never get a cheese in trivial pursuit. Intelligence is what you measure. At a given point in time.

I used to be intelligent

Hahaha GOod point

I don't know that many people are deifying people like Danny and, if they do fancy him, that's to do with his pleasing facial characteristics, not because of his personality (or lack thereof).

Some of us just watch it because it's a TV show we have some fondness for, it's regularly on and we enjoy the forum. We enjoy the community of it. It doesn't have to be so complicated. We all have choices, watch or don't watch, nobody's forcing us. Fact is, these are the housemates we've been given to watch, not much we can do except not watch or watch. Anybody deifying any of them is mad

Yes TV is dumbing down, I think we had a thread on this a few weeks ago. I made a large post in that it's easier to copy and paste that.

"Slowly TV in general has dumbed-down.

We turn on a TV show and, more often than not, there's a bit at the beginning highlighting what we are about to see. Is it that they think we have no patience, are too thick, that they think we won't stay and watch if we don't see half of the show in a preview before we actually watch the real show? Then they do it again at the ad break. It's not just BB that does this.

I do think that (in general terms) people have no patience anymore, they want something and they want it now, especially the younger generation who are used to seeing everything straight away, you can take a photo and spread it around Facebook, Twitter, wherever instantly, everybody films everything, everybody sees everything. Life is instantaneous, but we want it quicker (the general 'we').

... (left out a personal bit) irrelevant to the subject.

This constant need for stimulation, excitement, faster rides, scarier rides, blood, gore, nastiness, let's watch a beheading on YouTube, the press wanting to show us dead and mutilated bodies instead of just telling us they are there (that used to be more than satisfactory). It's almost as if there's a constant need for an adrenalin rush and, with so much of that available, people become immune to what they are seeing so it has to be more, scarier, harder, faster, and we end up with a de-sensitised, emotionless society whose empathy has been whittled away one thrill at a time.

We live in a society where people would rather film somebody being run over than phoning 999; film somebody being beaten up than phoning 999... then, instead of going to the police, stick the film on YouTube for the court of the dumbed-down public to judge.

It's no wonder that BB's gone down the pan... what they have done is simply reflect what they think people want (at least the people they want or hope will view the show), and based upon what they see going on out here, it's not too surprising that they think everybody wants what they (BB) are currently providing. "

As to whether I'm embarrassed by the stupidity on BB - who am I to sit here and say somebody is or isn't stupid, most people are a bit of both depending upon the situation in which they find themselves at any given time.

I'm much more intelligent at 52 than I ever was at 21, I know more about the world in which I live - especially since becoming a parent and even since being an FM on DS funnily enough. I wouldn't say I'm more intelligent than anybody in the house, but I can spell - which doesn't make me intelligent I imagine there are things I can't do that they each can.

You are misrepresenting the counter argument. again, apparent lack of knowledge does not automatically equate to lack of intelligence. Or in plain lingo, you are not being expected to conclude that someone is intelligent, just to allow for the possibility that they may be, owing to to the lack of hard evidence either way.

You have forgotten stuff you used to know, therefore you are stupid?

No I'm not stupid.

I'm not that intelligent if we were measuring - retaining facts historical - for example.

I don't know anyone who is brilliant at everything. Stupid label suddenly seems a bit unfair eh? ( not a dig at you, just my point about this thread).

Can't do pub quizzes either ha ha..

So no good with celeb/entertainment questions either..

Sorry I'm dumming down the debate

I agree. But intelligence is simply what you measure. Just change what you measure to something you get a good result in..

Then you become intelligent! Yay..

Not a bit of it. First time I met my future sister in law, she got out the Trivial Pursuit. Assumed that me being female, I would excel at the entertainment questions. I sucked. She labelled me an idiot. And since I knew better, I reciprocated

Not to me, you just display knowledge.

Agreed.

I mean, look at that lot tonight. They know all the words to some dumb song. Is that intelligence?

Forgive me, if that's sounds like what I said but I don't think I actually said it automatically equates, I believe it's more a strong indicator for a lack of intelligence.

Are you talking about in terms of a basic level knowledge? That's what i'm have been trying to convey you and Wazzyboy.

I have a question for you,if you don't mind me asking? How would you view a grown adult educated in western academia to an adequate age with no impediments to learning or gasping information, not knowing basic information (such as the ones i have stated before)?This adult has also been presented with ample opportunities to learn this information.

How do you view them? Would you take issue with someone else calling them lack intelligence or are willfully ignorant?

If we do not know the reason, it seems unfair to assume it.

So is Danny though.

It isn't fine in my opinion either. It's worrying and it keeps the world very cosy for vested interests if breadth of knowledge becomes an unattractive commodity.


Well if it is I'm bleeding Einstein! I drive everyone who knows me up the walls! I know every word of every hit song released from the late 50s until the mid-noughties. I'm bloody encyclopaedic when it comes to song lyrics.

I often wonder how much I could achieve if I could just empty those millions of lyrics out of my head.

Music makes it easier to learn, I learned my ABC's and my multiplication tables to tunes and rhythm, much easier. We have a rhyme to learn the months with 30/31/28 days. Rhythm and song make it so much easier to learn anything.

What reason do you need? Fair enough, if you're not willing to really make an effort to consider the question, then let's end this and agree to disagree. All these FMs being purposely trying negate and dodge valid is unnecessarily raising my pressure, i'm out.

So in that case you could be less intelligent thatn somebody who learnt the hard way

We do not know if someone is stupid, lazy or cracking on, or something elseis going on, such as a learning disability, that's all. No need to get upset. Night night

Knowledge =/= intelligence.

Innit bruv (in my best Blackburn accent ).