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Why aren't the viewers embarrassed by the stupidity?
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wazzyboy
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by aggs;78967625[B:
“]But what is the point - or benefit - with hanging a HM's actions on a condition there is no knowledge that they have?
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I remember several cases in the past where HM's have been DS diagnosed as on the autistic spectrum and it's been said how wrong it is to diagnose people,through the television screen on limited information.”

Suggesting a possibility is not "hanging" anything on anything. Nor is it making a diagnosis, provided one says "that's a possible explanation - not "that's the explanation"..

Converseley, what is the point of "hanging a HM's actions" on a value judgement for which we have no hard evidence?
Monkey Tennis
15-07-2015
At some point we may actually try and discuss the rise and rise of the professional thicko on reality tv, and the general acceptance and indeed embracing of it.

Maybe.
getmadnow17
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“Veri has posted the same principle position as others, just with examples.”

At least, she/he has elaborated on her position which was essentially what I was asking for. IMO, she has only one that has made a fair attempt to understand what I was asking instead of dodging or deliberately being elusive in answering the question.
jp761
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“At some point we may actually try and discuss the rise and rise of the professional thicko on reality tv, and the general acceptance and indeed embracing of it.

Maybe.”

It's been discussed a good few thing's have been discussed in this mighty thread. But what are 'we' going to do about it hey, short of joining the teams who pick the contestants for reality tv shows. How else will we stop them from being on our tv screens. I guess no one watching these dumbed down reality shows could do it. But there isn't much we can do. Bar turn the channel over.
aggs
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“Suggesting a possibility is not "hanging" anything on anything. Nor is it making a diagnosis, provided one says "that's a possible explanation - not "that's the explanation"..

Converseley, what is the point of "hanging a HM's actions" on a value judgement for which we have no hard evidence?”

But when that 'possibility' is used to explain actions/words with no foundation then it's pointless. Every HM will have a 'something'' that could be used as a 'possible explanation'.

Another possible explanation is that the people who tend to be HM's are a rather self centered lot and if something doesn't directly involve or refer to them then they just aren't interested.
SULLA
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“Ok - let's go with that. He's "thick".

Do you think that's an appropriate label?

If we go with another label, what should it be - lacking in intelligence? Uneducated? Wilfully ignorant?

Do we know which of these it is?

How?

Do any of those justify ridicule? Contempt?

Even apparent wilful ignorance can have roots in all sorts of things.


But I guess it is just easier to assume stuff and stick a label on.

Bit lazy that, eh?”

BIB. Don't know. Let's hope that Emma speaks slowly when she asks him.
Monkey Tennis
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by jp761:
“It's been discussed a good few thing's have been discussed in this mighty thread. But what are 'we' going to do about it hey, short of joining the teams who pick the contestants for reality tv shows. How else will we stop them from being on our tv screens. I guess no one watching these dumbed down reality shows could do it. But there isn't much we can do. Bar turn the channel over.”

To be fair JP, I don't really think it's been discussed in huge depth- sure there are a number of posters including the OP who have valiantly tried to keep in on track, and I think many have made some pretty spot on posts, but as I say, the main crux of the thread has been overun by people talking about dyslexia which is a total sidetrack, as opposed to the main points being made.

As I said before- 'If we're going to make totally random excuses for people, with the defence that 'if we don't know for sure we can't rule it out' why don't we just do the same for all of them, and why stop at dyslexia'.

I seem to recall you didn't like Marc. Perhaps you now need to recant all the mean things you may have said and totally change your view on him as for all we know he's on the spectrum and also 'can't help it'. I am kinda kidding here but I hope you see the point being made!

As I say, the dyslexia thing is a total sidetrack to the actual debate and it remains so.
MichPlat
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“No- the key word is 'sidetrack' for that is all this is. With respect, you've totally missed the point being made here.

If we're going to make totally random excuses for people, with the defence that 'if we don't know for sure we can't rule it out' why don't we just do the same for all of them, and why stop at dyslexia. We could make anything up and use it as a defence unless others can prove otherwise.

Perhaps all of Marc detractors should be hit with 'perhaps he has an as yet diagnosed brain condition that means he couldn't help say naughty things to people on occassion'. I mean if you can't prove 100% otherwise, why not give him the benefit of the doubt too.

etc etc.

To excuse stupidity by trying to throw some make believe stuff into the mix without any actual knowledge other than speculation, is a nonsense. It's also perhaps a bit offensive to dyslexic people who are as far removed from the point of this thread as it's possible to be.

Still- as a sidetrack it's worked pretty well.”

Now , how on earth can you compare Danny's inability to spell canoe on the first occasion and his struggling to spell it again on the second occasion ( even after practising beforehand) WITH Marc's obsession of hogging the camera and getting airtime ( as he's confessed ). ??
MichPlat
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“OK well using this logic, and again referencing the post quoted, where I mentioned this- 'If we're going to make totally random excuses for people, with the defence that 'if we don't know for sure we can't rule it out' why don't we just do the same for all of them, and why stop at dyslexia'.

Do you think Helen wood should be excused all of her bad behaviours? If not why not?

Do we know whether she has had a tramatic childhood that may have affected her in some way? Do we know if she has some psychological issue that may affect how she delivers some of her lines to others?

For all we know the above (or any other imagined scenario) may be a direct cause of how she is. Using the logic on here- we do not know for sure that they may be some external factor that has heavily influenced her. Unless you or anyone else here can categorically prove otherwise, she must be forgiven all sins.

Excuse one, excuse them all. Or not.”

Well if we are using 'logic' as you propose then logically there 'should' be at least ONE probably TWO dyslexics in the initial group of housemates . The latest figures suggest 1 out of 9 people are dyslexic . Many more show traits of course .
jp761
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“To be fair JP, I don't really think it's been discussed in huge depth- sure there are a number of posters including the OP who have valiantly tried to keep in on track, and I think many have made some pretty spot on posts, but as I say, the main crux of the thread has been overun by people talking about dyslexia which is a total sidetrack, as opposed to the main points being made.

As I said before- 'If we're going to make totally random excuses for people, with the defence that 'if we don't know for sure we can't rule it out' why don't we just do the same for all of them, and why stop at dyslexia'.

I seem to recall you didn't like Marc. Perhaps you now need to recant all the mean things you may have said and totally change your view on him as for all we know he's on the spectrum and also 'can't help it'. I am kinda kidding here but I hope you see the point being made!

As I say, the dyslexia thing is a total sidetrack to the actual debate and it remains so.”

What are the main points ? As I said in the other post what are 'we' going to do about it... dumbed down reality tv.
Yep I talked about Marc's 'game' as I saw it. So what. He's long been evicted now move on is my view. My view Marc isn't on any spectrum when it comes to any leaning difficulty or disorder. He's as sharp as a tack, a very quick thinker.
MichPlat
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by jp761:
“What are the main points ? As I said in the other post what are 'we' going to do about it... dumbed down reality tv.
Yep I talked about Marc's 'game' as I saw it. So what. He's long been evicted now move on is my view. My view Marc isn't on any spectrum when it comes to any leaning difficulty or disorder. He's as sharp as a tack, a very quick thinker.”

All of the above . Marc was simply a major gameplayer but got his tactics wrong .
Monkey Tennis
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Yep I talked about Marc's 'game' as I saw it. So what. He's long been evicted now move on is my view. Marc isn't on any spectrum when it comes to any leaning difficulty or disorder. He's as sharp as a tack, a very quick thinker.”

How very DARE You, Unless you can provide medical certification that Marc is NOT on the spectrum you must retract that immediately. *cue outrage*

I joke of course but it's as valid an argument as the dyslexia one.

I could also argue that Helen has tourettes and so also must be forgiven for any transgressions...

...assuming we use the logic so many seem to have bought into for teh likes of Danny that is

Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“All of the above . Marc was simply a major gameplayer but got his tactics wrong .”

Perhaps he dived into the sea as a child and the tact and decorum part of his brain was eaten by a shark.

I mean just like we don't know about dyslexia, we don;t know about this either.

I'm being purposefully facetious but the point remains.

Excuse one, excuse them all.
jp761
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“How very DARE You, Unless you can provide medical certification that Marc is NOT on the spectrum you must retract that immediately. *cue outrage*

I joke of course but it's as valid an argument as the dyslexia one.

I could also argue that Helen has tourettes and so also must be forgiven for any transgressions...

...assuming we use the logic so many seem to have bought into for teh likes of Danny that is



Perhaps he dived into the sea as a child and the tact and decorum part of his brain was eaten by a shark.

I mean just like we don't know about dyslexia, we don;t know about this either.

I'm being purposefully facetious but the point remains.

Excuse one, excuse them all.”

Marc has no learning difficulties imo, put it another way i'd definitely put a lot more money on that Danny maybe has... Tourettes no she doesn't swear enough,. lol You're still not addressing the points about what are 'we' going to do about dumbed down reality tv, i've brought it up twice now in my last post or two. You seem to like talking about leaning difficulties and disorders as well.
viva.espana
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by getmadnow17:
“Well, it wasn't clear to me, hence the reason I asked for further clarification.

Well if I remember correctly, he asked Whats does genuine mean? as in the definition. If he was really asking about what context BB was using in it wouldn't he ask BB ' What do you mean by genuine? '.”

Not 100% sure but my recollection is that he said 'Not sure what you mean by genuine, BB...'

In any case, no, I disagree re your conclusion, either way. Even if he said "What does genuine mean?" it would still be a reasonable query in the context of being asked to name the 'least genuine' HM, since 'genuine' is subjective, open to interpretation and inevitably influenced by who a HM likes and dislikes.
Monkey Tennis
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Marc has no learning difficulties imo,”

But this is my exact point! I actually thank you for giving me a perfect example.

You cannot make an argument for Danny (or anyone else) re dyslexia on one hand and yet rule out something similar for Marc on the other. A bit of consistency wouldn't go amiss.

It's picking and choosing when to apply the logic/ assumption which makes a total mockery of it in the first place.

Excuse one, excuse them all.

Originally Posted by jp761:
“You're still not addressing the points about what are 'we' going to do about dumbed down reality tv, i've brought it up twice now in my last post or two. You seem to like talking about leaning difficulties and disorders as well. ”

Jeez, give me break eh- it's taken about a dissertation worth of posts just to get my initial points across to a number of people posting at me who don't sem to take it in, and STILL they haven't been directly addressed.

Let's walk before we try to run eh?
jp761
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“But this is my exact point! I actually thank you for giving me a perfect example.

You cannot make an argument for Danny (or anyone else) re dyslexia on one hand and yet rule out something similar for Marc on the other. A bit of consistency wouldn't go amiss.

It's picking and choosing when to apply the logic/ assumption which makes a total mockery of it in the first place.

Excuse one, excuse them all.



Jeez, give me break eh- it's taken about a dissertation worth of posts just to get my initial points across to a number of people posting at me who don't sem to take it in, and STILL they haven't been directly addressed.

Let's walk before we try to run eh?”

Well you're a popular guy I guess. Lucky you hey. lol
Monkey Tennis
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Well you're a popular guy I guess. Lucky you hey. lol”

Yes I am.... but if I have any fat bird come up to me in a club I either tell them to stick to their own kind or to SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!
jp761
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“Yes I am.... but if I have any fat bird come up to me in a club I either tell them to stick to their own kind or to SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!”

Fu** off will ya.. and take your baggyfanny with you! Eejit! lol
Monkey Tennis
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Fu** off will ya.. and take your baggyfanny with you! Eejit! lol”

I like your style.

We may disagree on a few things, but at the end of the day, it's just an irrelevant reality tv show and at least we can still have a laugh JP.
Scarlett Berry
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“ I like your style.

We may disagree on a few things, but at the end of the day, it's just an irrelevant reality tv show and at least we can still have a laugh JP.”

I couldn't agree more.
jp761
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“ I like your style.

We may disagree on a few things, but at the end of the day, it's just an irrelevant reality tv show and at least we can still have a laugh JP.”

In the last two weeks or so of BB I usually slow down with the long post debating Thinking more about the fact as you said it is just a tv show. Unless occasionally a mammoth thread hooks me back in.
For the final weeks mostly I try to keep to shorter posts funny ones if possible.
wazzyboy
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by aggs:
“But when that 'possibility' is used to explain actions/words with no foundation then it's pointless. Every HM will have a 'something'' that could be used as a 'possible explanation'.

Another possible explanation is that the people who tend to be HM's are a rather self centered lot and if something doesn't directly involve or refer to them then they just aren't interested.”

Your second paragraph - indeed. And not at all pointless raising it IMO.
wazzyboy
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by getmadnow17:
“At least, she/he has elaborated on her position which was essentially what I was asking for. IMO, she has only one that has made a fair attempt to understand what I was asking instead of dodging or deliberately being elusive in answering the question.”

I understand your point very well, I simply take a different position which you are failing to acknowledge..
wazzyboy
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by Monkey Tennis:
“At some point we may actually try and discuss the rise and rise of the professional thicko on reality tv, and the general acceptance and indeed embracing of it.

Maybe.”

General acceptance lol
Scarlett Berry
15-07-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“This is one thing I really don't get about Big Brother. A grown man not being able to spell canoe; not knowing who Shakespeare is; thinking East Anglia is 'abroad'; all of these for me automatically make me think less of a person.

There's stupid and there's stupid, but that kind of ignorance just shows a complete disregard for the world you live in. I know some hms in the past have put it on, but we have an absolute half-wit (Danny) being deified and admired both inside and outside the house. I would have thought that people would pity and perhaps feel somewhat protective of someone who's genuinely stupid. However, supporting him as a winner? Thinking he's desirable? Isn't that skewed?

Is natural selection completely f***ed? ”

Really. I'm actually sad for you. How bl**dy condscending do you have to be to gain approval on a website.
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