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Why aren't the viewers embarrassed by the stupidity?
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GrozzyGirl
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“though she had an encyclopaedic knowledge of Gucci handbags ”

Was it Gucci? Certainly something like that, Paul Clarke bought her a bag and shoes I think.
Ah for the days when the dim ones were that funny
Him and his international rock star life style.
Panda Eyes
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“Or worrying that the only effective means of throwing people off track is using words you think they won't understand ”

It's hard second guessing what people do or don't understand the whole time though. It's always an instant assumption in communication that if you as the speaker understand what you're saying then the recipient should get it too. It breaks up the flow of thought and speech if you're always checking yourself, can be patronising too going DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TRY ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING IT?


Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“If an argument is sound, or a question valid, it can be presented in the plainest of language and still stand up.”

I'm a big fan of plain English and route one communication, but it's nice to mix it up and show some versatility too. We could strip things back completely and just use emoticons or a series of grunts to get our point across.
Blondie X
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by GrozzyGirl:
“Was it Gucci? Certainly something like that, Paul Clarke bought her a bag and shoes I think.
Ah for the days when the dim ones were that funny
Him and his international rock star life style.
”

I liked Helen and Paul.

At least with Helen, she was endearing and rather childlike rather than just thick as two short planks. She was believably daft rather than playing dumb as a career
The Finisher
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“though she had an encyclopaedic knowledge of Gucci handbags ”

Oh for those halcyon days when all you had to do to get high was blink.
viva.espana
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Blondie X:
“Well, |'ve never actually heard it said but, I wouldn't be shocked if one of the zelebrity thickos struggled to answer the question 'carrot, animal, vegetable or mineral?'”

On IAC he definitely asked if a cabbage and a lettuce were the same thing so yeah, a carrot an animal would be no stretch for the 'harmless simpleton'. All for 'comedy' effect, of course.

He's as fake as his glow-in-the-dark horse teeth.
Panda Eyes
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“at least it gave us the entertaining moment of all the housemates saying 'well done Danny' in unison like he'd just taken his first shit outside a nappy ”


Good Boy, Good Danny, Well done Boy, Clever Boy Danny
Sallyforth
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Panda Eyes:
“It's hard second guessing what people do or don't understand the whole time though. It's always an instant assumption in communication that if you as the speaker understand what you're saying then the recipient should get it too. It breaks up the flow of thought and speech if you're always checking yourself, can be patronising too going DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TRY ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING IT?




I'm a big fan of plain English and route one communication, but it's nice to mix it up and show some versatility too. We could strip things back completely and just use emoticons or a series of grunts to get our point across.”

Only if everyone understood them though
Panda Eyes
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“Only if everyone understood them though ”


I don't understand your point (honestly). The onus is on who?
Sallyforth
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Panda Eyes:
“I don't understand your point (honestly). The onus is on who?”

What onus?
Panda Eyes
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“What onus?”


The person doing the communicating or the recipient?
Sallyforth
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Panda Eyes:
“The person doing the communicating or the recipient?”

Both, one, or neither, depending on the nature, purpose and success of the exchange. Language is about shared understanding.
Ketamine
13-07-2015
I really don't think spelling has anything to do with intelligence, it's just about how good a memory you've got. I do find it strange how some people think anyone who doesn't know something that they know must be stupid.

People who say "Canoe" is such an easy word to spell. What makes it so easy? There's nothing logical about how that word is spelled. Is there any other word that has the sound "oo" and is spelled "oe" ? The only one i can think of is "shoe".

So it's really simply about memory and i'm sure even the greatest scientific minds forget things.
jeanoj
13-07-2015
I can understand if someone is unable to spell canoe, but not knowing who the first man on the moon was? Or who Isaac Newton was? Surely these are just basic general knowledge questions. I am afraid I do not suffer fools gladly and to me Danny is coming across as a fool. I would be ashamed to admit these things.
getmadnow17
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Ketamine:
“I really don't think spelling has anything to do with intelligence, it's just about how good a memory you've got. I do find it strange how some people think anyone who doesn't know something that they know must be stupid.

People who say "Canoe" is such an easy word to spell. What makes it so easy? There's nothing logical about how that word is spelled. Is there any other word that has the sound "oo" and is spelled "oe" ? The only one i can think of is "shoe".

So it's really simply about memory and i'm sure even the greatest scientific minds forget things.”

Doesn't it depend on the a piece of information/fact at hand?

I won't harsh judge someone for not knowing less commonly known facts e.g. like who shot the Arch Duke Ferdinand or what's the 2nd highest mountain but sorry I will low-key judge someone if are grown adults and they don't know basic facts such as who stepped on the moon 1st or how many days within a year.

No offence but i think you are being a little disingenuous when you suggest that you find it weird that people are judgemental of those who don't know the same basic things as them like you wouldn't act in the same way.
Monkey Tennis
13-07-2015
I haven't quite worked out if I'm more embarrassed by the stupidity or the fact that some seem to not just defend it, not just makes excuses for it, but find it in any why shape or form, endearing or entertaining.

As others have pointed out, this isn't laughing at the mentally impaired or those who who actually have learning difficulties, more rallying against the continued promotion and endorsement of people who appear to have no enthusiasm or motivation to try not to come across as a total dumb ass.

When a supposedly mentally able, 30 year old man cannot tell the difference between the sun and the moon, and some people actually try and defend his ignorance, you know the path to enlightenment is going to be a long and tricky one.
Sallyforth
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“I can understand if someone is unable to spell canoe, but not knowing who the first man on the moon was? Or who Isaac Newton was? Surely these are just basic general knowledge questions. I am afraid I do not suffer fools gladly and to me Danny is coming across as a fool. I would be ashamed to admit these things.”

I'm going to generalise, which I hate doing, but it's just to ask a question or two (with no expectation of particular answers) rather than simply offer suggestions.

Why do we as a society value general knowledge?

Is it intrinsically worthwhile because it has a social value and it seen as enriching? Or does/should it have broader value?

Is this something that is more important to those of us who are older?

Have younger people simply overlooked this area of their education or has it been sidelined in favour of other perceived priorities?
Pitman
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“I can understand if someone is unable to spell canoe, but not knowing who the first man on the moon was? Or who Isaac Newton was? Surely these are just basic general knowledge questions. I am afraid I do not suffer fools gladly and to me Danny is coming across as a fool. I would be ashamed to admit these things.”

Danny was just being patriotic, Isaac would have definitely got on the moon before the Americans if he'd lived a bit longer
jeanoj
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“Danny was just being patriotic, Isaac would have definitely got on the moon before the Americans if he'd lived a bit longer ”

Ha ha. You may be right but I doubt he even knows what patriotic means
Ketamine
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“I can understand if someone is unable to spell canoe, but not knowing who the first man on the moon was? Or who Isaac Newton was? Surely these are just basic general knowledge questions. I am afraid I do not suffer fools gladly and to me Danny is coming across as a fool. I would be ashamed to admit these things.”

I don't really have a problem with people not knowing things like this, the only problem i have is when people take pride in it, like you say. I would never look down on someone for ignorance but for being happy about it is a different thing.

Also, intelligence and knowledge are different things. Danny could be ignorant in basic knowledge but still be intelligent. But i think his discussions and debates with other housemates has shown that he is quite low in intelligence as well.
Monkey Tennis
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“Ha ha. You may be right but I doubt he even knows what patriotic means ”

Of course he knows. Isn't he that Aussie guy that won Wimbledon back in the 80s right?

Oh no my mistake, that was Pat Cash.
flower 2
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“I'm going to generalise, which I hate doing, but it's just to ask a question or two (with no expectation of particular answers) rather than simply offer suggestions.

Why do we as a society value general knowledge?

Is it intrinsically worthwhile because it has a social value and it seen as enriching? Or does/should it have broader value?

Is this something that is more important to those of us who are older?

Have younger people simply overlooked this area of their education or has it been sidelined in favour of other perceived priorities?”

Babies are born and you soon see them become 'curious' to the world around them, often when toddlers becoming extremely annoying asking 'Why?' 'What?' and 'When' all the time .

What makes some people lose this natural curiosity is something I don't know the answer to.
Ketamine
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by getmadnow17:
“No offence but i think you are being a little disingenuous when you suggest that you find it weird that people are judgemental of those who don't know the same basic things as them like you wouldn't act in the same way.”

I wouldn't because i don't think intelligence and knowledge are the same thing.
coke_pepper
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Sunnydays:
“I asked my 7, 9 and 11 y.o. granddaughters, how to spell canoe, plus a few other more difficult questions, and was glad to say they passed. I began to worry about what sort of state education they were getting after watching the show.”

And i'm sure they'd have felt pretty embarrassed if they hadn't. Whereas there's a 29 year old man on a TV show who seems to celebrate the fact that he's thick as ****.
Education is a contract that has to be entered willingly by both parties. I remember many just like Danny at school. I doubt if they'll ever make much of lifes opportunities. Too lazy and lacking the intelligence to realise nobody gives you anything in life for nothing.
Blondie X
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“I'm going to generalise, which I hate doing, but it's just to ask a question or two (with no expectation of particular answers) rather than simply offer suggestions.

Why do we as a society value general knowledge?

Is it intrinsically worthwhile because it has a social value and it seen as enriching? Or does/should it have broader value?

Is this something that is more important to those of us who are older?

Have younger people simply overlooked this area of their education or has it been sidelined in favour of other perceived priorities?”

I do think that the internet has changed the thirst for knowledge as anyone under about 30 has grown up knowing that if they don't know something, just google it. It does seem that some younger people don't appear to have any interest in very much that doesn't affect them.
Personally, I find it strange that in this era of 24 hour rolling news and information t our fingertips, the general knowledge of even those with excellent education and qualifications is very lacking.
I work with a lot of graduates and some of them have less general knowledge than my 7 year old
michaelkegnan
13-07-2015
Danny is embarrassing. What a moron.
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