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Old 14-07-2015, 22:31
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Reading through the posts/comments here I think you all raise some great points about the decline of a ITV flagship program

Here's what I think most would agree with
1) After last nights episode it cant get any worse??
2) New producer/director
3) New casting team
4) reduce no of episodes or have two 1 hour episodes
5) hire a script writer with a good pedigree (examples could be Kay Mellor or the team that wrote Ordinary Lives on BBC1
6) Hire some quality actors -There are 100's of brilliant northern based actors -hire them instead of x celebs/pop stars
7) In recent weeks/months one of the stand out dramas for me was Ordinary Lives on BBC1
Watch it & see how its done properly!!

One final point re Bethany Platt-see moved to Italy aged 7 -from experience kids of that age adapt much quickly to local dialect /environment than adults

So the line about she would have a northern accent still is codswallop
Plus she looks older than her mother


Whats everyone else think??
Codswallop to you perhaps. It has been noted by many of us that we know of people who have lived abroad for many years and speak with the same dialect as their family back home.

My cousins have lived in France since they were 5 & 12. They went to a French speaking school (where they obviously spoke French all day long) and when they got home after school they were only allowed speak English because their Dad couldn't speak a word of French. They still live in Paris and I see then a few times a year and everytime I see them they slip straight back into their Leeds accent. You don't forget your heritage.
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Old 14-07-2015, 23:10
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One final point re Bethany Platt-see moved to Italy aged 7 -from experience kids of that age adapt much quickly to local dialect /environment than adults

So the line about she would have a northern accent still is codswallop
Plus she looks older than her mother
Absolute nonsense. If she wasn't hearing English being spoken in an Italian accent all the time (she spoke Italian so obviously not) then there would be no change in her English accent. If she'd moved to an English speaking country like America then you'd have a point.

And she doesn't look older than Sarah at all. The only thing I dislike about Bethany is that awful jacket she keeps wearing to school.
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Old 14-07-2015, 23:18
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Absolute nonsense. If she wasn't hearing English being spoken in an Italian accent all the time (she spoke Italian so obviously not) then there would be no change in her English accent. If she'd moved to an English speaking country like America then you'd have a point.

And she doesn't look older than Sarah at all. The only thing I dislike about Bethany is that awful jacket she keeps wearing to school.
Yeah it's astounding that Sarah and Bethany have such shit taste in clothes given they've apparently been living in (one of) the fashion capital(s) of the world for almost 10 years!
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Old 15-07-2015, 07:55
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Why did everyone clap after Ken gave his eulogy? I thought he was giving an audition at first. Very odd. The whole thing was very poor. Should have been dedicated to Dierdre and could have been very poignant as love her or hate her she was a long standing character. But we have to have non stop fights and arguments which were very tiresome and the ridiculous 14 year old Bethany swigging shots with that fat bun headed bird.
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Old 15-07-2015, 09:18
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I'd take 2003 over 2015 any day- in fact I enjoyed some of the mentioned SL's.

Like others, I was left disappointed by Monday's episodes, Peter not turning up for the actual funeral felt wrong, Ken having a go at Tracy in the church seemed out of character, Robert's sudden appearance felt unnecessary and an unneeded distraction from the actual funeral IMO. I'm not saying there weren't some good moments but as a whole it didn't work for me.
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Old 15-07-2015, 18:34
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They had a chance to redeem themselves a bit with Deirdre's funeral but they had to shoehorn the scenes in around it with Bethany and Callum and his pretend gangster mates who are shockingly bad.
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Old 15-07-2015, 22:33
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Reading through the posts/comments here I think you all raise some great points about the decline of a ITV flagship program

Here's what I think most would agree with
1) After last nights episode it cant get any worse??
2) New producer/director
3) New casting team
4) reduce no of episodes or have two 1 hour episodes
5) hire a script writer with a good pedigree (examples could be Kay Mellor or the team that wrote Ordinary Lives on BBC1
6) Hire some quality actors -There are 100's of brilliant northern based actors -hire them instead of x celebs/pop stars
7) In recent weeks/months one of the stand out dramas for me was Ordinary Lives on BBC1
Watch it & see how its done properly!!

One final point re Bethany Platt-see moved to Italy aged 7 -from experience kids of that age adapt much quickly to local dialect /environment than adults

So the line about she would have a northern accent still is codswallop
Plus she looks older than her mother

Whats everyone else think??
After almost every episode I see I think "well at least it can't get any worse can it?" but then the writers always manage to surpass my expectations!!

Casting is an issue, there's been some odd choices like most actors seem to playing a role much younger than they actually are & more casting of ex-singers. Also I saw another thread a poster pointed out that all the young female actresses cast these days seem to be picked because they look pretty rather than having any acting ability.

Writing & story lining are dreadful as is continuity. The overall impression is that nobody cares
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Old 15-07-2015, 23:05
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Yawn. I thought this one had been put to bed. Bethany moved to Italy when she was 7 years old so has spent half of her life in Manchester. Therefore there is absolutely NO reason whatsoever for her to speak in an Italian accent whilst speaking English. You don't lose your accent in English by learning a foreign language.
I thought this aswell! Until the other night when Sarah casually refereed to Bethany being fluent in Italian! Really! Her accent would have faded mostly because her mother and the rest of the family don't really have the thick twang she does!

Although I'm not complaining! Does anyone remember when Vicky Fowler came back to eastenders
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Old 16-07-2015, 02:18
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Absolute nonsense. If she wasn't hearing English being spoken in an Italian accent all the time (she spoke Italian so obviously not) then there would be no change in her English accent. If she'd moved to an English speaking country like America then you'd have a point.

And she doesn't look older than Sarah at all. The only thing I dislike about Bethany is that awful jacket she keeps wearing to school.
Totally agree.

I moved from Glasgow to London at the age of 6 and didn't magically start speaking in a London accent, I speak how I've always spoken. Granted lots of kids do pick up a different accent in that sort of scenario but it's far from inevitable.
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Old 18-07-2015, 12:52
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Reading through the posts/comments here I think you all raise some great points about the decline of a ITV flagship program

Here's what I think most would agree with
1) After last nights episode it cant get any worse??
2) New producer/director
3) New casting team
4) reduce no of episodes or have two 1 hour episodes
5) hire a script writer with a good pedigree (examples could be Kay Mellor or the team that wrote Ordinary Lives on BBC1
6) Hire some quality actors -There are 100's of brilliant northern based actors -hire them instead of x celebs/pop stars
7) In recent weeks/months one of the stand out dramas for me was Ordinary Lives on BBC1
Watch it & see how its done properly!!

One final point re Bethany Platt-see moved to Italy aged 7 -from experience kids of that age adapt much quickly to local dialect /environment than adults

So the line about she would have a northern accent still is codswallop
Plus she looks older than her mother

Whats everyone else think??
I think you're absolutely right - especially about Bethany.
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Old 18-07-2015, 16:07
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The last two to three years of Corrie have been vastly undewhelming borderline awful.
Contrived big storylines concocted purely to gain awards or votes around NTA/BSAs.

The new Nazir family have been a flop from the start, moving them into Anna Windass's old house has done nothing to embed them in any further. It is very telling Jimi Mistry left when he did, as a seasoned actor he probably thought the same, this was not the Coronation Street he had seen on the television for years. The soap that the enviable balance of drama and comedy, with much loved characters we have known for years. That balance has been lost.

The cast exodus of recent times, is also a sign that all is not well at a soap. When EastEnders went through a horrendous bad patch in the early 00s, no less than 14 cast members left the show in the space of one year, via axings and cast resignations. Whilst Corrie hasn't been that dramatic, a lot of long standing characters have left in a short space of time, with Carla Connor set to depart very shortly.

Cast returns like Todd Grimshaw and Sarah Platt, characters who were held in high esteem in their original stints have been brought back to add familiarity, except they are horrible unlikable characters. Todd in particular has been given a total character transplant without any sort of explanation. The fact that no explanation has been offered nearly two years since his return, shows the lazy, arrogant approach Stuart Blackburn has adopted to Coronation Street. It's Corrie so people will watch, regardless of how awful it is.

Except that is no longer true. Coronation Street is no longer "must see" telly. It has the added bonus of a core audience who tune in, probably out of habit. However, it has long lost it's foothold over it's nearest rival EastEnders, which though is not perfect, has made leaps and bounds and actually is working hard for the ratings and awards it has received over the past year. Coronation Street used to make it look so easy. It was a well planned, superbly executed, beautifully written show with humour, stories that built up to somewhere and when the big plots came, they were gripping.

Now it's "oh theres an award show coming up, oh let's have a van crash" I'm sorry but viewers see through that. I wouldn't mind if it was any good, but it's pure contrived nonsense. Sensationalism has taken precedence over good character based drama, with humour long since lost.

It is a shadow of it's former self. And all soaps at one time or another need a period of regeneration. I'm surprised ITV and Granada have not acted sooner. Hopefully once this live episode is over, then Stuart Blackburn can look at moving on and a new Producer is sought who both knows and loves the show and wont' be afraid to make big changes in order to get Corrie back to where it used to be and where it can be again.
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Old 18-07-2015, 17:17
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Yawn. I thought this one had been put to bed. Bethany moved to Italy when she was 7 years old so has spent half of her life in Manchester. Therefore there is absolutely NO reason whatsoever for her to speak in an Italian accent whilst speaking English. You don't lose your accent in English by learning a foreign language.
My mum's cousins are Italian, however the oldest one lived her until she was around 8. When she speaks English she has a Scottish accent despite living in Italy from 8 years old onwards. Bizarre! But Bethany's character is a joke in many other ways.
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