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Old 13-07-2015, 22:44
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Harry and Cleo are both the same, or similar, ages yet while Pete is labelled as a predator and abuser, no one (from Hollyoaks) seems to bat an eyelid to Ste and Harry's age gap.

Is this just a sign of how bad Hollyoaks is? Is it double standards? Or is it intentional and the two scenarios supposed to mirror one another?
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Old 13-07-2015, 22:54
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Interesting question , I've not watched all of Hollyoaks recently but have caught a few episodes with this storyline, I'm under the impression that Pete/Cleo relationship is/has been sinister since she was young, perhaps I'm wrong, not sure if they've has a sexual relationship but he been grooming her? similar to Tony/Whitney on EE, I think perhaps that is why it's viewed differently.

You're correct that Ste is older he mid twenties now?, Harry's about 17 but seems to be consenting if anything has happened Ste seems to be the go to gay man for boys struggling with their sexuality.
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Old 13-07-2015, 22:56
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Total double standards! I actually find it hilarious that they're running this big child abuse storyline, while you can tell someone at HO finds the idea of adults screwing teens really sexy. Ste and Harry, Nancy and Robbie, Tony and Sinead - HOT right? Phwoar.

It's gross! It makes them all look like predatory old pervs. Same when it was JP doing the paedo story with Harry, before it got switched. Just weird.
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Old 13-07-2015, 23:09
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Harry and Cleo are both the same, or similar, ages yet while Pete is labelled as a predator and abuser, no one (from Hollyoaks) seems to bat an eyelid to Ste and Harry's age gap.

Is this just a sign of how bad Hollyoaks is? Is it double standards? Or is it intentional and the two scenarios supposed to mirror one another?
Neither. Slight difference, Harry isn't underage and Cleo clearly was when what happened with Pete started, and he groomed her. Her being of age now is irrelevant. Porsche was also underage when things happened with Pete, and even if she hadn't been it was still abuse. Not consensual, not a relationship, abuse. He is a disgusting sexual deviant, Ste isn't. Ste will be dating someone younger who is of age, presumably without pressuring, forcing or manipulating him into sex.
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Old 13-07-2015, 23:12
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I don't think that it is the same thing with Ste/ Harry and Cleo/ Pete. It is implied that Pete and Cleo's relationship started before she was old enough to consent and Pete is her mum's boyfriend, so he is in a position of responsibility over her. As for Harry, he is old enough to consent to a relationship with someone older.
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Old 13-07-2015, 23:53
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Neither. Slight difference, Harry isn't underage and Cleo clearly was when what happened with Pete started, and he groomed her. Her being of age now is irrelevant. Porsche was also underage when things happened with Pete, and even if she hadn't been it was still abuse. Not consensual, not a relationship, abuse. He is a disgusting sexual deviant, Ste isn't. Ste will be dating someone younger who is of age, presumably without pressuring, forcing or manipulating him into sex.
There are slight differences. Ste/Harry is still sorta creepy. I honestly think the difference is that the actor playing Pete looks a lot older than the actress playing Cleo. The actors who play Harry and Ste both look like men in their twenties. I doubt many actually are suspending disbelief and thinking Harry is a teen they just see two hot twenty somethings hooking up. If they cast Harry differently it would look more creepy than it does.
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Old 14-07-2015, 07:54
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Isn't Ste only supposed to be 25? (Thought the character was 16 in 2006?) Harry's legal and since they said he was already 17 when he showed up, he should be turning 18 soon. That age gap doesn't bother me. And really, IRL, I sometimes meet 18-year olds who are more mature than guys in their 20s. Given the way Ste is at times, this could very well be a fictional depiction of that... lol! .. And since Harry original flirted/kissed JP, maybe he's attracted to guys who are older than him.
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Old 14-07-2015, 10:39
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Consenting adults isn't quite the same as a child being groomed for sex by an adult.
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Old 14-07-2015, 10:54
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I think the circumstances are a little different. Ste isn't old enough to be Harry's father, he is not in a position of trust with Harry, the relationship is consensual with no grooming or manipulation involved, and as others have mentioned will not begin while Harry is underage. While the age difference IS dodgy, Harry is legal and Ste is not, so far that we can see, taking advantage of him like Pete does to Cleo (e.g. hurting Tony in order to blackmail Harry into sex)

According to Sam on Tumblr, they chose to have Harry hook up with Ste instead of JP is that JP would be breaking the law by getting involved with a student (any student, even one that's over the age of consent) and after the rape SL they didn't want to turn JP into a sex offender in the eyes of the law
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Old 14-07-2015, 11:09
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I think the circumstances are a little different. Ste isn't old enough to be Harry's father, he is not in a position of trust with Harry, the relationship is consensual with no grooming or manipulation involved, and as others have mentioned will not begin while Harry is underage. While the age difference IS dodgy, Harry is legal and Ste is not, so far that we can see, taking advantage of him like Pete does to Cleo (e.g. hurting Tony in order to blackmail Harry into sex)

According to Sam on Tumblr, they chose to have Harry hook up with Ste instead of JP is that JP would be breaking the law by getting involved with a student (any student, even one that's over the age of consent) and after the rape SL they didn't want to turn JP into a sex offender in the eyes of the law
Oh, I'm sure Hollyoaks will portray Ste and Harry as really sexy and deeply romantic, just like they did when Tony shagged his own 18 yr old stepdaughter and former prostitute. They love that kind of thing.

Ste is now a promiscuous junkie with 3 kids, the oldest of whom must be about 8 now herself, is she? And he's going to have sex with the 17 yr old wide-eyed sexually confused (but hey, nubile) son of his best friend. It's not illegal, of course, but it's hardly romantic.

But honestly, I don't know why I'm even talking about it, I must be mad! Kirkwood's made it clear that he loves "sick" storylines - it's a way of getting people talking. Fell right into his trap!
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Old 14-07-2015, 11:43
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Oh, I'm sure Hollyoaks will portray Ste and Harry as really sexy and deeply romantic, just like they did when Tony shagged his own 18 yr old stepdaughter and former prostitute. They love that kind of thing.

Ste is now a promiscuous junkie with 3 kids, the oldest of whom must be about 8 now herself, is she? And he's going to have sex with the 17 yr old wide-eyed sexually confused (but hey, nubile) son of his best friend. It's not illegal, of course, but it's hardly romantic.

But honestly, I don't know why I'm even talking about it, I must be mad! Kirkwood's made it clear that he loves "sick" storylines - it's a way of getting people talking. Fell right into his trap!
So romantic, in fact, that Tony overcomes his prejudices because of it and organises a Pride parade for the village. Now where's a vomiting smiley when you need one?
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Old 14-07-2015, 11:44
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Oh, I'm sure Hollyoaks will portray Ste and Harry as really sexy and deeply romantic, just like they did when Tony shagged his own 18 yr old stepdaughter and former prostitute. They love that kind of thing.

Ste is now a promiscuous junkie with 3 kids, the oldest of whom must be about 8 now herself, is she? And he's going to have sex with the 17 yr old wide-eyed sexually confused (but hey, nubile) son of his best friend. It's not illegal, of course, but it's hardly romantic.

But honestly, I don't know why I'm even talking about it, I must be mad! Kirkwood's made it clear that he loves "sick" storylines - it's a way of getting people talking. Fell right into his trap!
Ste is such a catch isn't he?! Let's get real here, Harry is young, good looking and would most probably be fighting lads off with a stick if he lived anywhere else. The very idea that be would be chasing after Ste is ridiculous. In reality he'd probably be shagging Zack or someone (who's actually gay) from school.
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Old 14-07-2015, 12:05
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Hell, Harry lives not far from several cities with big gay populations, where he could go on weekends and pretty much get any guy he wants. Yet because this is Hollyoaks he has to stay in the village where his only option is the local divorced HIV+ junkie dad of three ...
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Old 14-07-2015, 12:14
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Hell, Harry lives not far from several cities with big gay populations, where he could go on weekends and pretty much get any guy he wants. Yet because this is Hollyoaks he has to stay in the village where his only option is the local divorced HIV+ junkie dad of three ...
And a boy struggling with his sexual identity and at his first gay experience would hardly choose to have sex for the first time with a guy who is HIV positive. That's scary for most people....
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Old 14-07-2015, 12:53
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There are slight differences. Ste/Harry is still sorta creepy. I honestly think the difference is that the actor playing Pete looks a lot older than the actress playing Cleo. The actors who play Harry and Ste both look like men in their twenties. I doubt many actually are suspending disbelief and thinking Harry is a teen they just see two hot twenty somethings hooking up. If they cast Harry differently it would look more creepy than it does.
Creepy? Harry and Ste are both adults, its not like Ste Is attempting to groom a 12 year is it? I remember a 65 year old had been attacked because his wife is 26 years old, obviously the attacker was jealous that the old guard was getting it more then him.

Its people like you who make age gap couples feel bad and it seems you are jealous that an older man/woman can still pull a younger person.
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Old 14-07-2015, 13:42
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Can someone please explain to me why a 7 year age gap is supposedly creepy? People have 10 and 20 and who knows what years age gaps all the time. If the people are of age, consenting and not being mistreated in any way, what the hell is the problem?
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Old 14-07-2015, 13:56
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Can someone please explain to me why a 7 year age gap is supposedly creepy? People have 10 and 20 and who knows what years age gaps all the time. If the people are of age, consenting and not being mistreated in any way, what the hell is the problem?
Depends how young the young one is I guess. A 21 yr old and 28 yr old is no big deal (or any age above), because both are mature. But 17 and 24 is totally different, because of the immaturity of the teen. And it depends who the older one is. Your Dad's friend? Bit weird. Isn't Ste about 26 anyway?

Seriously, having watched a 17 yr old fellow 6th former flirt like mad (wholly consensually) with a 25 yr old teacher (married with a kid), I can assure you, it's putrid.

If I came home and found my imaginary 17 yr old child being deflowered by my feckless 26 yr old mate, they would not stay my friend for long. They would be on the street without their trousers.
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Old 14-07-2015, 14:09
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Depends how young the young one is I guess. A 21 yr old and 28 yr old is no big deal (or any age above), because both are mature. But 17 and 24 is totally different, because of the immaturity of the teen. And it depends who the older one is. Your Dad's friend? Bit weird. Isn't Ste about 26 anyway?

Seriously, having watched a 17 yr old fellow 6th former flirt like mad (wholly consensually) with a 25 yr old teacher (married with a kid), I can assure you, it's putrid.

If I came home and found my imaginary 17 yr old child being deflowered by my feckless 26 yr old mate, they would not stay my friend for long. They would be on the street without their trousers.
Well I was 25 when my relationship with my then 18 year old partner started, so thankyou for describing my very happy, committed nearly 6 year relationship as putrid. I can assure you there is absolutely nothing weird, coercive or involving any imbalance of power within it and never has been.
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Old 14-07-2015, 14:09
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And a boy struggling with his sexual identity and at his first gay experience would hardly choose to have sex for the first time with a guy who is HIV positive. That's scary for most people....
I'm glad others think this too, I wanted to mention the 'slight' issue of Ste's HIV but thought against it. Didn't wanna cause anyone any offence!

I'm a 30 year old gay man who's lived in London for 5 years and even I'm terrified of HIV. I didn't come out until I was 25, at which point, the idea of HIV was something that put me right off sex! I would have thought a sexually inexperienced kid like Harry (especially one full of self loathing about his sexuality) would have found Ste's status even more concerning. When you feel such hatred and resentment about being gay you also hate most of the crap that comes from being associated with it.

I remember my main fear about coming out was that the only gay man I'd ever met was the village hairdresser who was one of the campest and bitchy men I'd ever met. He would regale the local gossips with tales of his sordid sex life and visits to saunas in Leeds. The gossips then came into the golf club where I worked and tell the story to their friends and husbands over a white wine spritzer at the bar, and they would mock the hairdresser and say the most disgusting things about him. I resented him for that, I hated that if they knew I was gay, they'd think I was the same. I literally hated him and people like him who 'gave us a bad name'

I know now it's childish but at the time I was a teenager and thought like one.

I have a fear that when Tony discovers the Harry / Ste affair he will be raging at the thought of his son being put at risk and we will see Tony being portrayed as some ignorant bigot who cares only for Harrys well being rather than poor old surrogate son Ste's feelings.
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Old 14-07-2015, 14:42
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Creepy? Harry and Ste are both adults, its not like Ste Is attempting to groom a 12 year is it? I remember a 65 year old had been attacked because his wife is 26 years old, obviously the attacker was jealous that the old guard was getting it more then him.

Its people like you who make age gap couples feel bad and it seems you are jealous that an older man/woman can still pull a younger person.
Oh for god sake. I am not jealous of someone who can get a 17 year old. I would not want a 17 year old kid as a boyfriend.
The fact of the matter is there is a big difference of 6 years between adults who are of age and someone who is under age. Harry may be over the age of consent, but he isn't legally an adult either so there is a power difference in terms of income and access to a whole range of things. You add on top of that that Ste is still technically married, he has 3 children (one of which Harry is sort of an uncle to) , he's HIV positive and an addict its creepy. Not only that Ste in his previous relationships hasn't exactly been the ideal boyfriend. Is this the person you'd want your kid with, I would think most parents would say no.
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Old 14-07-2015, 14:44
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I'm glad others think this too, I wanted to mention the 'slight' issue of Ste's HIV but thought against it. Didn't wanna cause anyone any offence!

I'm a 30 year old gay man who's lived in London for 5 years and even I'm terrified of HIV. I didn't come out until I was 25, at which point, the idea of HIV was something that put me right off sex! I would have thought a sexually inexperienced kid like Harry (especially one full of self loathing about his sexuality) would have found Ste's status even more concerning. When you feel such hatred and resentment about being gay you also hate most of the crap that comes from being associated with it.

I remember my main fear about coming out was that the only gay man I'd ever met was the village hairdresser who was one of the campest and bitchy men I'd ever met. He would regale the local gossips with tales of his sordid sex life and visits to saunas in Leeds. The gossips then came into the golf club where I worked and tell the story to their friends and husbands over a white wine spritzer at the bar, and they would mock the hairdresser and say the most disgusting things about him. I resented him for that, I hated that if they knew I was gay, they'd think I was the same. I literally hated him and people like him who 'gave us a bad name'

I know now it's childish but at the time I was a teenager and thought like one.

I have a fear that when Tony discovers the Harry / Ste affair he will be raging at the thought of his son being put at risk and we will see Tony being portrayed as some ignorant bigot who cares only for Harrys well being rather than poor old surrogate son Ste's feelings.
Huh? So Ste/Harry are a problem because you're HIV-phobic and were overly concerned with homophobic bullies' opinions of you and were possibly homophobic yourself?
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Old 14-07-2015, 14:58
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Oh for god sake. I am not jealous of someone who can get a 17 year old. I would not want a 17 year old kid as a boyfriend.
The fact of the matter is there is a big difference of 6 years between adults who are of age and someone who is under age. Harry may be over the age of consent, but he isn't legally an adult either so there is a power difference in terms of income and access to a whole range of things. You add on top of that that Ste is still technically married, he has 3 children (one of which Harry is sort of an uncle to) , he's HIV positive and an addict its creepy. Not only that Ste in his previous relationships hasn't exactly been the ideal boyfriend. Is this the person you'd want your kid with, I would think most parents would say no.
Yes. It's not illegal, but it's not very believable either. Harry is a schoolboy, and he's Tony's son. I just can't see Ste going there. He was supposedly so concerned about having sex post-HIV-infection that for a long time he couldn't bring himself to do so with his husband, so why would he suddenly have no qualms about going with young Harry? And why would Harry, who is far from comfortable with his own sexuality, have no qualms about going with his father's close friend, for all the reasons outlined above?
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Old 14-07-2015, 15:04
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Huh? So Ste/Harry are a problem because you're HIV-phobic and were overly concerned with homophobic bullies' opinions of you and were possibly homophobic yourself?
Cool. Don't come on here argue or be insulted.
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Old 14-07-2015, 15:19
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Cool. Don't come on here argue or be insulted.
I read your post before you edited (hope you don't mind me pointing out that you did so,) and just wanted to say I appreciated your insight. Of course it's up to you what you post and whether you choose to offer similar insight in future or not, but I think it'd be a shame if you were put off doing so by one person's opinion.
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Old 14-07-2015, 15:24
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Oh for god sake. I am not jealous of someone who can get a 17 year old. I would not want a 17 year old kid as a boyfriend.
The fact of the matter is there is a big difference of 6 years between adults who are of age and someone who is under age. Harry may be over the age of consent, but he isn't legally an adult either so there is a power difference in terms of income and access to a whole range of things. You add on top of that that Ste is still technically married, he has 3 children (one of which Harry is sort of an uncle to) , he's HIV positive and an addict its creepy. Not only that Ste in his previous relationships hasn't exactly been the ideal boyfriend. Is this the person you'd want your kid with, I would think most parents would say no.
6 years is no big deal and i see lots of girls around Harrys age who have boyfriends who are around Ste's age because they want a man not a boy and it does not matter if you do not want your son or daughter with that person because there is northing you can do to stop it.

One of these days, a 25 year old man could be with his 17 year old gf or bf and you will probably call him a creep or a paedo like the ignorance seem to always spew out and that 25 year old will probably deck you one.

I think the real issue is the HIV not the age gap, you obviously view people with HIV, vile and disgusting hench the fact you said that he has HIV and was an addict not to mention that you had classed these types as 'Creepy'...even wonder people like ste cannot truly move on.
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